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Did Harris fail to explain the cause of inflation to voters?

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(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(11-24-2024, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I agree that a lot of the problems Biden/Harris had was failure to communicate.  For 3-1/2 years, we had a President who could not go out and sell his own policies to the American people.  Then when Harris came in, and she was asked if she would have done anything different, she couldn't come up with anything.  A very large part of being President is selling your ideas to the American people.  Biden got these big expensive programs passed, and then he seemed to think he was done.  No need to go out and explain it.  No need to go out and sell it.  And Harris was no better.

I know a lot of the inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions due to the Covid epidemic.  And a lot of it was also caused by paying people to not work.  Both Trump and Biden did that.  But all people see is that the price of their groceries has gone up and they are getting squeezed financially.  

The Presidency is a political job.  It takes a politician to do it well.  Biden and Harris were lousy politicians.

Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

For many Americans, their wallets, or more accurately, what what's left in them at the end of the week, is reality of the harshest kind.  They may not understand economics, but they know the cost of groceries.   If one candidate had his/her head buried in the sand, why are you surprised that voters gravitated towards the candidate who was at least acknowledging the problem?
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(This post was last modified: 11-25-2024, 08:34 AM by The Real Marty. Edited 1 time in total.)

(11-24-2024, 06:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: It wasn't that Harris was such a bad candidate (she was) which lost this election so bigly for Democrats. It was their do or die adherence to identity politics. It was obvious to the most casual observer that she wasn't fit for such a task, but rather than be labeled by their own side as this -ist and that -phobic, they went with her against their better judgement. That was a clear indication to undecideds and fence riders that identity mattered more to the Democrat party than substance. As soon as she was selected to run, they lost votes for that very reason.

I think that might matter to people who pay attention to politics, but there are a lot of people who are busy with work and kids or anything else, and all they know is that grocery prices and everything else went up during the Biden administration.  Identity politics has been around for a long time, but grocery prices went up mostly in the last 4 years.  

Yes, people don't like identity politics, but grocery prices is like getting hit in the head with a 2x4.  It's a much more potent issue.
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(11-25-2024, 08:33 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(11-24-2024, 06:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: It wasn't that Harris was such a bad candidate (she was) which lost this election so bigly for Democrats. It was their do or die adherence to identity politics. It was obvious to the most casual observer that she wasn't fit for such a task, but rather than be labeled by their own side as this -ist and that -phobic, they went with her against their better judgement. That was a clear indication to undecideds and fence riders that identity mattered more to the Democrat party than substance. As soon as she was selected to run, they lost votes for that very reason.

I think that might matter to people who pay attention to politics, but there are a lot of people who are busy with work and kids or anything else, and all they know is that grocery prices and everything else went up during the Biden administration.  Identity politics has been around for a long time, but grocery prices went up mostly in the last 4 years.  

Yes, people don't like identity politics, but grocery prices is like getting hit in the head with a 2x4.  It's a much more potent issue.

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(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(11-24-2024, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I agree that a lot of the problems Biden/Harris had was failure to communicate.  For 3-1/2 years, we had a President who could not go out and sell his own policies to the American people.  Then when Harris came in, and she was asked if she would have done anything different, she couldn't come up with anything.  A very large part of being President is selling your ideas to the American people.  Biden got these big expensive programs passed, and then he seemed to think he was done.  No need to go out and explain it.  No need to go out and sell it.  And Harris was no better.

I know a lot of the inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions due to the Covid epidemic.  And a lot of it was also caused by paying people to not work.  Both Trump and Biden did that.  But all people see is that the price of their groceries has gone up and they are getting squeezed financially.  

The Presidency is a political job.  It takes a politician to do it well.  Biden and Harris were lousy politicians.

Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

Its kind of like how the Democrat Governors shut down their states during covid and refused to open them back up.  Then they kept them closed despite Republican led states keeping theirs going without a significant difference in cases or deaths.  This cause a much larger then necessary loss of jobs and a massive economic crash.  Then they had the nerve to blame Trump for the crash and high unemployment numbers and used it against him in the election.
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(11-25-2024, 09:43 AM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote:
(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote: Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

Its kind of like how the Democrat Governors shut down their states during covid and refused to open them back up.  Then they kept them closed despite Republican led states keeping theirs going without a significant difference in cases or deaths.  This cause a much larger then necessary loss of jobs and a massive economic crash.  Then they had the nerve to blame Trump for the crash and high unemployment numbers and used it against him in the election.

C'mon man, you're gonna make him cry (again).
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(This post was last modified: 11-25-2024, 09:36 PM by TDOSS. Edited 1 time in total.)

(11-25-2024, 09:43 AM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote:
(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote: Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

Its kind of like how the Democrat Governors shut down their states during covid and refused to open them back up.  Then they kept them closed despite Republican led states keeping theirs going without a significant difference in cases or deaths.  This cause a much larger then necessary loss of jobs and a massive economic crash.  Then they had the nerve to blame Trump for the crash and high unemployment numbers and used it against him in the election.

The U.S had the worst death rate of any western nation largely due to the mishandling of the pandemic by Trump and Republicans. Those death rates are what caused the economic crash and caused untold suffering for the American people.

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(11-25-2024, 09:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(11-25-2024, 09:43 AM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote: Its kind of like how the Democrat Governors shut down their states during covid and refused to open them back up.  Then they kept them closed despite Republican led states keeping theirs going without a significant difference in cases or deaths.  This cause a much larger then necessary loss of jobs and a massive economic crash.  Then they had the nerve to blame Trump for the crash and high unemployment numbers and used it against him in the election.

The U.S had the worst death rate of any western nation largely due to the mishandling of the pandemic by Trump and Republicans. Those death rates are what caused the economic crash and caused untold suffering for the American people.

We missed these glory days under Trump

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#28

Not that anyone really wants her back. There is a sizable number of supporters now who still believe she should run again, but that's just hope-talk and lingering indoctrination. 

Kamala Harris disqualified ‘forever’ over Democratic party election overspending, political megadonor John Morgan says

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(This post was last modified: 11-26-2024, 08:14 PM by TDOSS. Edited 1 time in total.)

(11-26-2024, 04:50 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Not that anyone really wants her back. There is a sizable number of supporters now who still believe she should run again, but that's just hope-talk and lingering indoctrination. 

Kamala Harris disqualified ‘forever’ over Democratic party election overspending, political megadonor John Morgan says

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Its not as crazy as you might think.

The current president-elect lost his last election by more votes since Herbert Hoover in 1932, and 80% of the country thought the country was on the wrong track.

So you never know.

It's also amusing that supporters of a multiple time bankruptcy declarer, fraudulent loan applier, painted sneaker/gold watch hawker, recipient of undisclosed donors' tithes, who also ran up the US debt to historic levels are concerned suddenly about use of funds....
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Harris has failed at many things. Add it to the list.
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(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(11-24-2024, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I agree that a lot of the problems Biden/Harris had was failure to communicate.  For 3-1/2 years, we had a President who could not go out and sell his own policies to the American people.  Then when Harris came in, and she was asked if she would have done anything different, she couldn't come up with anything.  A very large part of being President is selling your ideas to the American people.  Biden got these big expensive programs passed, and then he seemed to think he was done.  No need to go out and explain it.  No need to go out and sell it.  And Harris was no better.

I know a lot of the inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions due to the Covid epidemic.  And a lot of it was also caused by paying people to not work.  Both Trump and Biden did that.  But all people see is that the price of their groceries has gone up and they are getting squeezed financially.  

The Presidency is a political job.  It takes a politician to do it well.  Biden and Harris were lousy politicians.

Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

They spent too much time pandering to the minorities that didn't show out to vote for them. I think the biggest thing that needs to be discussed is, how in the hell, did the Democratic party and Democratic turnout go from 81,283,501 votes to 74,441,420 votes. Massive swing. 

Also, it's a little shallow to think that people just voted based on their wallets and not reality. The reality is that this administration was also recklessly, and, CONTINUES to recklessly, inch our nation and the rest of the world into a global conflict.

Throwing tax dollars out the [BLEEP] to Ukraine and Israel? Throwing weapons towards Ukraine to piss Russia off some more fairly recently? Come on now. Even the left leaning liberals at the major indoctrination campuses were protesting in lockstep in full support of Palestine. 

The Democratic party failed to read their room and know their audience on that one in particular. Sure, money is important to the majority of us here. We have mouths to feed. A bleak future to hope like hell we can save up for to survive, etc.

However, there was a lot of turmoil over the last three and a half years on a Geopolitical scale along with the border situation getting worse with this administration. People were getting sick and tired of seeing illegals getting treated like first class citizens while being dumped into already disenfranchised communities with struggling minorities to begin with.

Once again, the Democratic party failing to read the room and know their audience in this case. It was not all about inflation.
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