The problem is that you see being told you're wrong as defamatory to your self-esteem, being called out on your incorrect posts is inaccurate, recognizing your fallaciousness is abusive, and not letting you get away with your bull [BLEEP] as harassing. Basically you're always violating the first qualifier (posting stuff that's knowingly false) and then trying to use the rules against the people who won't tolerate it.

None of that is true.
Winger calling me a contrarian is defamatory. It injures my reputation.
The rest of you piling on after I explained what that post about contrarians meant is harassment. Harassment includes behaviors that could be interpreted as playful or hurtful, they become harassment if you persist after the recipient informs you that they are unwelcome.

I never
Ever
Ever 
Post stuff that I know to be false, unless the tone obviously indicates I'm joking.
You just defamed me again.

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen you making any kind of joke on here, ever. Have I missed you intentionally being funny somewhere? I’d love to see this side of you!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

The problem is that you see being told you're wrong as defamatory to your self-esteem, being called out on your incorrect posts is inaccurate, recognizing your fallaciousness is abusive, and not letting you get away with your bull [BLEEP] as harassing. Basically you're always violating the first qualifier (posting stuff that's knowingly false) and then trying to use the rules against the people who won't tolerate it.

None of that is true.
Winger calling me a contrarian is defamatory. It injures my reputation.
The rest of you piling on after I explained what that post about contrarians meant is harassment. Harassment includes behaviors that could be interpreted as playful or hurtful, they become harassment if you persist after the recipient informs you that they are unwelcome.

I never
Ever
Ever 
Post stuff that I know to be false, unless the tone obviously indicates I'm joking.
You just defamed me again.

No, me calling you a contrarian is pointing out the obvious to everyone else..

Actually, everytime I call you a contrarian, I'm always waiting for someone to post a "Thanks, Capt'n Obvious" meme.

Honestly though, who cares?

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None of that is true.
Winger calling me a contrarian is defamatory. It injures my reputation.
The rest of you piling on after I explained what that post about contrarians meant is harassment. Harassment includes behaviors that could be interpreted as playful or hurtful, they become harassment if you persist after the recipient informs you that they are unwelcome.

I never
Ever
Ever 
Post stuff that I know to be false, unless the tone obviously indicates I'm joking.
You just defamed me again.

No, me calling you a contrarian is pointing out the obvious to everyone else..

Actually, everytime I call you a contrarian, I'm always waiting for someone to post a "Thanks, Capt'n Obvious" meme.

Honestly though, who cares?

Define contrarian.  Why is it important to point out that I'm a contrarian in your mind?

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None of that is true.
Winger calling me a contrarian is defamatory. It injures my reputation.
The rest of you piling on after I explained what that post about contrarians meant is harassment. Harassment includes behaviors that could be interpreted as playful or hurtful, they become harassment if you persist after the recipient informs you that they are unwelcome.

I never
Ever
Ever 
Post stuff that I know to be false, unless the tone obviously indicates I'm joking.
You just defamed me again.

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen you making any kind of joke on here, ever. Have I missed you intentionally being funny somewhere? I’d love to see this side of you!

All of my posts about being a sex therapist for FSG or being SC1's mom's lover are jokes! You didn't think that was serious, did you?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I see the family is arguing again. 

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Already stopping the caravans.  They've been doing that for about a year already.

Yea, the logistics of moving mass amounts of people are a nightmare. It is easier and more cost effective to move in smaller groups. The initial ones were done for publicity.  Once the UN money began drying up that is.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/11/1024882

They start as a large group at the Southern border of Mexico, 2,000 miles from the US border.  Over time, after about 150 miles, a lot of people drop out, and the mass breaks up into smaller groups.  When they break into smaller groups, the Mexican government picks them up and buses them back to the Southern border.  This has been going on for about a year now.  

So Trump says "I'm going to impose a 25% tariff if the Mexicans don't stop the caravans."  The Mexican President responds, "huh? caravans are no longer coming to the US border already," and Trump says, "the Mexican President has agreed to stop the caravans."  And Trump's supporters say, "Trump has stopped the caravans!"   

Believe me, if this gets those tariffs off the table, I'm fine with it.

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No, me calling you a contrarian is pointing out the obvious to everyone else..

Actually, everytime I call you a contrarian, I'm always waiting for someone to post a "Thanks, Capt'n Obvious" meme.

Honestly though, who cares?

Define contrarian.  Why is it important to point out that I'm a contrarian in your mind?

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I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen you making any kind of joke on here, ever. Have I missed you intentionally being funny somewhere? I’d love to see this side of you!

All of my posts about being a sex therapist for FSG or being SC1's mom's lover are jokes! You didn't think that was serious, did you?

I'm not doing this with you today.. Happy Thanksgiving again, Mike..

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I see the family is arguing again. 

Someone once said, Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.  

Everyone's favorite subject is Mike.  Including Mike.

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I see the family is arguing again. 

Just like a real family Thanksgiving!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I see the family is arguing again. 

Just like a real family Thanksgiving!

Best time for an intervention lol

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No, me calling you a contrarian is pointing out the obvious to everyone else..

Actually, everytime I call you a contrarian, I'm always waiting for someone to post a "Thanks, Capt'n Obvious" meme.

Honestly though, who cares?

Define contrarian.  Why is it important to point out that I'm a contrarian in your mind?

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I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen you making any kind of joke on here, ever. Have I missed you intentionally being funny somewhere? I’d love to see this side of you!

All of my posts about being a sex therapist for FSG or being SC1's mom's lover are jokes! You didn't think that was serious, did you?

Well I did say intentionally being funny, but I guess those could be qualified as attempts.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I see the family is arguing again. 

Someone once said, Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.  

Everyone's favorite subject is Mike.  Including Mike.

Not including Mike. I never ever ever start this garbage.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Anyway, China is not paying for Trump's tariffs, except in lost business.  American consumers and businesses will pay for Trump's tariffs, in the form of increased costs.

Interesting thing is the vast majority of companies are already limiting their China exposure. Those with high exposure to the Chinese market have taken quite a beating in the stock market. They are moving fast to places like Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and the like. The New "in" place to be is India. A population almost equal to China that is growing unlike China whose one child policy has run it's course resulting in a declining population. They are quietly modifying this policy now. Unlike in China in these other countries companies do not have to worry as much about theft of intellectual property, random arrests of executives, sudden individual bans from leaving the country and no access to the Chinese Justice system.

People can get all twisted up over this tariff thing, but I view it as a waste of emotion and energy. Maybe an attack talking point for the Left leaning and a defending point for the Right.   At the end of the day the actual results will lie somewhere in the middle so both sides will be correct somewhat. This is good as they can then discuss who was more right, which is good and will keep them out of trouble

Kevin O'Leary says he's already pulled his investments out of China because of their cutthroat business practices. I saw an interview with him on News Nation and he talked about how theft, lies and deception are at the core of Chinese business practices.

To China's credit, they have upped their manufacturing game and now produce very good quality and precision products for more specialized industries. Plus, their turnaround time from engineering and tool development to the manufacturing phase is pretty much unparalleled in the world.  

China would be a most welcomed manufacturing and trading partner on the global stage if not for the CCP. They openly flaunt patents and copyrights, but companies are willing to deal with them because of their manufacturing ability and costs. All aided by their complete disregard for environmental concerns and worker safety standards. But even more pressing is their bellicosity towards the world. The CCP doesn't want to share and sees the exploitation of their populace as a means to an end. They want the same respect as developed countries who fortified their foundations with social, legal and environmental efforts over the last century without exerting those same efforts themselves. Exactly like their manufacturing and technological larceny. They refuse to accept that these areas are dependent upon each other for sustained success. 

With that said, China is achieving technological success of their own making. The knowledge they gained over the last few decades by sending their students abroad have culminated in the establishment of some excellent universities and research facilities. Like all countries, they have their good and bad. The issue with China is the polarization of the good and bad is so stark. It's like dealing with an educated and capable mafia.

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Define contrarian.  Why is it important to point out that I'm a contrarian in your mind?

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All of my posts about being a sex therapist for FSG or being SC1's mom's lover are jokes! You didn't think that was serious, did you?

I'm not doing this with you today.. Happy Thanksgiving again, Mike..

We'll check back on Monday.  Have a nice Thanksgiving.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

What is Mexico already doing?

Already stopping the caravans.  They've been doing that for about a year already.

How do you know this?

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Someone once said, Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.  

Everyone's favorite subject is Mike.  Including Mike.

Not including Mike. I never ever ever start this garbage.

Okay, answer this question.  Do you really want to stop this back and forth about you?

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Already stopping the caravans.  They've been doing that for about a year already.

How do you know this?

There are lots of news articles about it.  This is just one of them:  

Fact Check Reporter - Newsweek

Here's another one.  

Trump’s Mexico back-and-forth glosses over what was already being done - Washington Examiner

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Yea, the logistics of moving mass amounts of people are a nightmare. It is easier and more cost effective to move in smaller groups. The initial ones were done for publicity.  Once the UN money began drying up that is.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/11/1024882

They start as a large group at the Southern border of Mexico, 2,000 miles from the US border.  Over time, after about 150 miles, a lot of people drop out, and the mass breaks up into smaller groups.  When they break into smaller groups, the Mexican government picks them up and buses them back to the Southern border.  This has been going on for about a year now.  

So Trump says "I'm going to impose a 25% tariff if the Mexicans don't stop the caravans."  The Mexican President responds, "huh? caravans are no longer coming to the US border already," and Trump says, "the Mexican President has agreed to stop the caravans."  And Trump's supporters say, "Trump has stopped the caravans!"   

Believe me, if this gets those tariffs off the table, I'm fine with it.

We are in agreement here. (don't faint on me now..lol)  I would rather not see tariffs either.  There remain a lot of people trying to come across. Yea the caravans were first, but most come from other areas. They sometimes fly into Mexico and enter from points other than the southern border from other countries with this in mind. The southern border caravans are only the tip of this iceberg. It has been easy to ignore these as it is not a good pic op.

The other major issue is on our side. We have caught people "vetting" these illegals that do not even have access to the information. So we now over the last 4 years have a mixture of vetted and those vetted without even checking in our country. It is a mesh-mash of issues down there.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I see the family is arguing again. 

Just like a real family Thanksgiving!

That was also my thought. Lol

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Interesting thing is the vast majority of companies are already limiting their China exposure. Those with high exposure to the Chinese market have taken quite a beating in the stock market. They are moving fast to places like Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and the like. The New "in" place to be is India. A population almost equal to China that is growing unlike China whose one child policy has run it's course resulting in a declining population. They are quietly modifying this policy now. Unlike in China in these other countries companies do not have to worry as much about theft of intellectual property, random arrests of executives, sudden individual bans from leaving the country and no access to the Chinese Justice system.

People can get all twisted up over this tariff thing, but I view it as a waste of emotion and energy. Maybe an attack talking point for the Left leaning and a defending point for the Right.   At the end of the day the actual results will lie somewhere in the middle so both sides will be correct somewhat. This is good as they can then discuss who was more right, which is good and will keep them out of trouble

Kevin O'Leary says he's already pulled his investments out of China because of their cutthroat business practices. I saw an interview with him on News Nation and he talked about how theft, lies and deception are at the core of Chinese business practices.

To China's credit, they have upped their manufacturing game and now produce very good quality and precision products for more specialized industries. Plus, their turnaround time from engineering and tool development to the manufacturing phase is pretty much unparalleled in the world.  

China would be a most welcomed manufacturing and trading partner on the global stage if not for the CCP. They openly flaunt patents and copyrights, but companies are willing to deal with them because of their manufacturing ability and costs. All aided by their complete disregard for environmental concerns and worker safety standards. But even more pressing is their bellicosity towards the world. The CCP doesn't want to share and sees the exploitation of their populace as a means to an end. They want the same respect as developed countries who fortified their foundations with social, legal and environmental efforts over the last century without exerting those same efforts themselves. Exactly like their manufacturing and technological larceny. They refuse to accept that these areas are dependent upon each other for sustained success. 

With that said, China is achieving technological success of their own making. The knowledge they gained over the last few decades by sending their students abroad have culminated in the establishment of some excellent universities and research facilities. Like all countries, they have their good and bad. The issue with China is the polarization of the good and bad is so stark. It's like dealing with an educated and capable mafia.

If China is able to maintain incentives for ordinary Chinese people to work hard and innovate, the CCP itself will diversify, become less repressive, and you will see Chinese businesses compete with each other. These things are definitely happening in the electric car sector. If these things happen in more sectors, the Chinese success will be deserved.  

In the more likely scenario, China will continue to mow down entrepreneurs who get too big and they will be unable to do anything but make stuff others invented cheaper and faster.  That is no way to improve their citizens' quality of life and does not help on the "soft power" front either.  

Tariffs are an appropriate punishment for China's use of slave labor, overuse of coal, lack of worker protections, lack of environmental protections, IP theft, and many other wrongs.  But they should be targeted to the things we can make lots of elsewhere.  Target their steel and electronics and motors and textiles.  Don't target the solar panels and batteries.  The world needs as many solar panels and batteries as possible right now.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Just like a real family Thanksgiving!

That was also my thought. Lol

You guys continue with the intervention..

Me and cuz gonna take a short walk lol

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Kevin O'Leary says he's already pulled his investments out of China because of their cutthroat business practices. I saw an interview with him on News Nation and he talked about how theft, lies and deception are at the core of Chinese business practices.

To China's credit, they have upped their manufacturing game and now produce very good quality and precision products for more specialized industries. Plus, their turnaround time from engineering and tool development to the manufacturing phase is pretty much unparalleled in the world.  

China would be a most welcomed manufacturing and trading partner on the global stage if not for the CCP. They openly flaunt patents and copyrights, but companies are willing to deal with them because of their manufacturing ability and costs. All aided by their complete disregard for environmental concerns and worker safety standards. But even more pressing is their bellicosity towards the world. The CCP doesn't want to share and sees the exploitation of their populace as a means to an end. They want the same respect as developed countries who fortified their foundations with social, legal and environmental efforts over the last century without exerting those same efforts themselves. Exactly like their manufacturing and technological larceny. They refuse to accept that these areas are dependent upon each other for sustained success. 

With that said, China is achieving technological success of their own making. The knowledge they gained over the last few decades by sending their students abroad have culminated in the establishment of some excellent universities and research facilities. Like all countries, they have their good and bad. The issue with China is the polarization of the good and bad is so stark. It's like dealing with an educated and capable mafia.

If China is able to maintain incentives for ordinary Chinese people to work hard and innovate, the CCP itself will diversify, become less repressive, and you will see Chinese businesses compete with each other. These things are definitely happening in the electric car sector. If these things happen in more sectors, the Chinese success will be deserved.  

In the more likely scenario, China will continue to mow down entrepreneurs who get too big and they will be unable to do anything but make stuff others invented cheaper and faster.  That is no way to improve their citizens' quality of life and does not help on the "soft power" front either.  

Tariffs are an appropriate punishment for China's use of slave labor, overuse of coal, lack of worker protections, lack of environmental protections, IP theft, and many other wrongs.  But they should be targeted to the things we can make lots of elsewhere.  Target their steel and electronics and motors and textiles.  Don't target the solar panels and batteries.  The world needs as many solar panels and batteries as possible right now.

Communism, by its very nature, cannot become less repressive. There's a reason they build walls, physical and technological, around their fiefdoms. When the people discover and enjoy freedom, communism dies. The CCP has played it out to about as far as they can now while still maintaining control.

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