You really need to look at that little "if" there. Morse is in the second year of a two year deal and likely declining, so, since we didn't get JPJ or Frazier this year we need to bring in the long term replacement. Scherff is the 3rd lowest graded run blocking guard in the League. Little and Harrison are the tackles and Cleveland isn't going anywhere. 

So yeah, Skippy, I just told you the plan. And no, it's not a Baalke Analysis, it's the simple facts of the cap, roster, and opportunity. And to REALLY get you going, it's likely that Tugboat just moves into the spot and they don't invest serious capital into right guard either. They carry Pillow Fort or draft a center and Javon Foster is the utility guy playing RT and the Guard sports with a Hance'CVL type as the last guy on the roster. Call for whatever you want, it has no bearing on what they actually do.

What's a Skippy?  I'm a Carp.

You've basically just accepted that the Baalke plan is just gonna have to do.  Coming from a guy that has been insanely critical of our current GM.  You're just accepting that the status quo is just gonna have to do.  

We should not resign ourselves to this ineptitude.  Though I guess we should all just embrace the inevitable.  I figured you'd be one that would be the most vocal about a rebuild of the interior lines (Both offensive and defensive).

We have money tied to some of our O-Line, but that doesn't mean we can't make moves to correct the problems we have.  Other teams turn these types of things around.  The reason we never do is because we never have the sense of urgency to fix things.  Trevor's health over the last 2 years should make it crystal clear that the priority to to fully upgrade the interior O-Line.

Clearly you haven't read what I've been writing for the last 8 months, I guess you just interpret it however you want. I'm telling you that the tackles are now set, the left guard is set, the Center will likely only change if Morse falls off a cliff the next month, and the current right guard isn't under contract next year. We will (hopefully) invest in a center and guard in the offseason but it's not a given as we have a couple young guys already here in Hodges and Foster. I'm not gonna think that what I think matters a whit to anyone in the Jags Front Office; they haven't listened to me for two years, why would Baalke change course now?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

What's a Skippy?  I'm a Carp.

You've basically just accepted that the Baalke plan is just gonna have to do.  Coming from a guy that has been insanely critical of our current GM.  You're just accepting that the status quo is just gonna have to do.  

We should not resign ourselves to this ineptitude.  Though I guess we should all just embrace the inevitable.  I figured you'd be one that would be the most vocal about a rebuild of the interior lines (Both offensive and defensive).

We have money tied to some of our O-Line, but that doesn't mean we can't make moves to correct the problems we have.  Other teams turn these types of things around.  The reason we never do is because we never have the sense of urgency to fix things.  Trevor's health over the last 2 years should make it crystal clear that the priority to to fully upgrade the interior O-Line.

Clearly you haven't read what I've been writing for the last 8 months, I guess you just interpret it however you want. I'm telling you that the tackles are now set, the left guard is set, the Center will likely only change if Morse falls off a cliff the next month, and the current right guard isn't under contract next year. We will (hopefully) invest in a center and guard in the offseason but it's not a given as we have a couple young guys already here in Hodges and Foster. I'm not gonna think that what I think matters a whit to anyone in the Jags Front Office; they haven't listened to me for two years, why would Baalke change course now?

The problem is that the Jags have the 25th ranked rushing offense and that won't change unless the offensive line is upgraded, and it will take more than just upgrading the RG.  The general consensus league-wide is that the way to beat the cover-2 shell that defenses have migrated to, is with a power running game.  If you look at the top 5: Ravens, Eagles, Commanders, Lions, and Eagles you're looking at winning teams.

At the end of the day it always comes back to successful drafting and building a pipeline of young talent at the OL position.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Little is a solid player that has done well when starting at left tackle. Received a mid tier LT contract which feels right for him. Where we really need to upgrade is the interior. Can be done in the draft. Just look at what the steelers did last year.

Draft and develop. Name of the game.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

Clearly you haven't read what I've been writing for the last 8 months, I guess you just interpret it however you want. I'm telling you that the tackles are now set, the left guard is set, the Center will likely only change if Morse falls off a cliff the next month, and the current right guard isn't under contract next year. We will (hopefully) invest in a center and guard in the offseason but it's not a given as we have a couple young guys already here in Hodges and Foster. I'm not gonna think that what I think matters a whit to anyone in the Jags Front Office; they haven't listened to me for two years, why would Baalke change course now?

The problem is that the Jags have the 25th ranked rushing offense and that won't change unless the offensive line is upgraded, and it will take more than just upgrading the RG.  The general consensus league-wide is that the way to beat the cover-2 shell that defenses have migrated to, is with a power running game.  If you look at the top 5: Ravens, Eagles, Commanders, Lions, and Eagles you're looking at winning teams.

At the end of the day it always comes back to successful drafting and building a pipeline of young talent at the OL position.

Again, three of the positions are already set and the 4th is likely. Replacing Scherff is the only sure fire thing next season, and heck. Baalke might even resign him too.

I'm not saying this is ideal, I'm saying the writing is on the wall. Best we get is rookie replacement center and free agent right guard. This team can't afford to replace Little, Harrison, and Cleveland.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

What's a Skippy?  I'm a Carp.

You've basically just accepted that the Baalke plan is just gonna have to do.  Coming from a guy that has been insanely critical of our current GM.  You're just accepting that the status quo is just gonna have to do.  

We should not resign ourselves to this ineptitude.  Though I guess we should all just embrace the inevitable.  I figured you'd be one that would be the most vocal about a rebuild of the interior lines (Both offensive and defensive).

We have money tied to some of our O-Line, but that doesn't mean we can't make moves to correct the problems we have.  Other teams turn these types of things around.  The reason we never do is because we never have the sense of urgency to fix things.  Trevor's health over the last 2 years should make it crystal clear that the priority to to fully upgrade the interior O-Line.

Clearly you haven't read what I've been writing for the last 8 months, I guess you just interpret it however you want. I'm telling you that the tackles are now set, the left guard is set, the Center will likely only change if Morse falls off a cliff the next month, and the current right guard isn't under contract next year. We will (hopefully) invest in a center and guard in the offseason but it's not a given as we have a couple young guys already here in Hodges and Foster. I'm not gonna think that what I think matters a whit to anyone in the Jags Front Office; they haven't listened to me for two years, why would Baalke change course now?

And clearly you have ignored what I've been saying for the last 2 seasons...  It's all good, bro.  You're right.  But I'm also right.

This team is coached by a trash staff.  The coaching has been off for 2 years because Doug never really wanted to be a HC.  He just wanted to ride off on his Ring.  

My point that you keep ignoring is that you were so adamant last year that it was the O-Line that was the problem, not the Offensive play calling.  Last year your hair was on fire about firing Baalke because of his lack of fixing the O-Line.  Now you're resolved in that the O-Line just needs a tweak here or there?  I don't get it.  What changed your mind?

The problems you focused on last year were correct.  Baalke is trash.  I conceded that to you.  I've been trying to praise your insight.   And yet you're wanting to follow that same method.  The entire interior of this O-Line needs to be upgraded.  I like Morse and his passion.  But he's not good enough, not by a damn sight.  He just isn't.  He can't run block.  He can't pass protect.  Heck, he can't even execute a shotgun snap.  And Sherff did great in 2022, but he was already aging back 3 years ago!!!  Our entire interior O-Line is completely cooked.

This offseason needs to be focused on protecting a QB that has had 2 serious head injuries within a 12 month period.  Not to mention all the injuries to his shoulder, his ankle, and his knees.  

We're ruining our franchise QB.  And that's not on Walker Little.  He played well on Sunday.  But man, the entire interior line needs to be upgraded.  Otherwise, we're about to "Andrew Luck" our franchise QB.

I guess we should praise Baalke for signing Little?  But I don't.  [BLEEP] Baalke.  But you have to also throw Doug to the ditch as well.  Both these losers need to be gone.  They have no idea how to run a franchise.  I'm sick of it.  It's time to just flush the drain.

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Clearly you haven't read what I've been writing for the last 8 months, I guess you just interpret it however you want. I'm telling you that the tackles are now set, the left guard is set, the Center will likely only change if Morse falls off a cliff the next month, and the current right guard isn't under contract next year. We will (hopefully) invest in a center and guard in the offseason but it's not a given as we have a couple young guys already here in Hodges and Foster. I'm not gonna think that what I think matters a whit to anyone in the Jags Front Office; they haven't listened to me for two years, why would Baalke change course now?

And clearly you have ignored what I've been saying for the last 2 seasons...  It's all good, bro.  You're right.  But I'm also right.

This team is coached by a trash staff.  The coaching has been off for 2 years because Doug never really wanted to be a HC.  He just wanted to ride off on his Ring.  

My point that you keep ignoring is that you were so adamant last year that it was the O-Line that was the problem, not the Offensive play calling.  Last year your hair was on fire about firing Baalke because of his lack of fixing the O-Line.  Now you're resolved in that the O-Line just needs a tweak here or there?  I don't get it.  What changed your mind?

The problems you focused on last year were correct.  Baalke is trash.  I conceded that to you.  I've been trying to praise your insight.   And yet you're wanting to follow that same method.  The entire interior of this O-Line needs to be upgraded.  I like Morse and his passion.  But he's not good enough, not by a damn sight.  He just isn't.  He can't run block.  He can't pass protect.  Heck, he can't even execute a shotgun snap.  And Sherff did great in 2022, but he was already aging back 3 years ago!!!  Our entire interior O-Line is completely cooked.

This offseason needs to be focused on protecting a QB that has had 2 serious head injuries within a 12 month period.  Not to mention all the injuries to his shoulder, his ankle, and his knees.  

We're ruining our franchise QB.  And that's not on Walker Little.  He played well on Sunday.  But man, the entire interior line needs to be upgraded.  Otherwise, we're about to "Andrew Luck" our franchise QB.

I guess we should praise Baalke for signing Little?  But I don't.  [BLEEP] Baalke.  But you have to also throw Doug to the ditch as well.  Both these losers need to be gone.  They have no idea how to run a franchise.  I'm sick of it.  It's time to just flush the drain.

Again, you're not [BLEEP] understanding what I said. I didn't say it was ok, I didn't say it would be ideal, or even better (though it won't be hard to get a better run blocking guard than Scherff). I was willing to forgo BTJ to have JPJ/Frazier and Haines/Beebe in the first two rounds of last year's draft. I was pounding the table to get rid of both Cam and Scherff last offseason and start Little and Hodges. I've been [BLEEP] about this line for 2 years and, for some strange unknown reason, Baalke actually did with Little what he should've done a year ago. But too Little, too late; pun intended.

I'm saying WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE based on what we know at this moment, so get ready.  Instead you're dreaming up hate fiction about Doug Pederson not wanting to be a head coach, LOL. Why are you so thick that you can't get that just because I tell you what's going to happen doesn't mean that's what I want to happen? Geez.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And clearly you have ignored what I've been saying for the last 2 seasons...  It's all good, bro.  You're right.  But I'm also right.

This team is coached by a trash staff.  The coaching has been off for 2 years because Doug never really wanted to be a HC.  He just wanted to ride off on his Ring.  

My point that you keep ignoring is that you were so adamant last year that it was the O-Line that was the problem, not the Offensive play calling.  Last year your hair was on fire about firing Baalke because of his lack of fixing the O-Line.  Now you're resolved in that the O-Line just needs a tweak here or there?  I don't get it.  What changed your mind?

The problems you focused on last year were correct.  Baalke is trash.  I conceded that to you.  I've been trying to praise your insight.   And yet you're wanting to follow that same method.  The entire interior of this O-Line needs to be upgraded.  I like Morse and his passion.  But he's not good enough, not by a damn sight.  He just isn't.  He can't run block.  He can't pass protect.  Heck, he can't even execute a shotgun snap.  And Sherff did great in 2022, but he was already aging back 3 years ago!!!  Our entire interior O-Line is completely cooked.

This offseason needs to be focused on protecting a QB that has had 2 serious head injuries within a 12 month period.  Not to mention all the injuries to his shoulder, his ankle, and his knees.  

We're ruining our franchise QB.  And that's not on Walker Little.  He played well on Sunday.  But man, the entire interior line needs to be upgraded.  Otherwise, we're about to "Andrew Luck" our franchise QB.

I guess we should praise Baalke for signing Little?  But I don't.  [BLEEP] Baalke.  But you have to also throw Doug to the ditch as well.  Both these losers need to be gone.  They have no idea how to run a franchise.  I'm sick of it.  It's time to just flush the drain.

Again, you're not [BLEEP] understanding what I said. I didn't say it was ok, I didn't say it would be ideal, or even better (though it won't be hard to get a better run blocking guard than Scherff). I was willing to forgo BTJ to have JPJ/Frazier and Haines/Beebe in the first two rounds of last year's draft. I was pounding the table to get rid of both Cam and Scherff last offseason and start Little and Hodges. I've been [BLEEP] about this line for 2 years and, for some strange unknown reason, Baalke actually did with Little what he should've done a year ago. But too Little, too late; pun intended.

I'm saying WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE based on what we know at this moment, so get ready.  Instead you're dreaming up hate fiction about Doug Pederson not wanting to be a head coach, LOL. Why are you so thick that you can't get that just because I tell you what's going to happen doesn't mean that's what I want to happen? Geez.

I've begun to agree with most of what you say.  But the bolded isn't a fantasy...  If you have been listening to Doug's pressers for the last 2 years, you can tell he's been checked out.  He's not willing to put in the work.  But besides that, you've convinced me on other aspects that I didn't consider.  I'll continue to argue with you about certain aspects of the team.  But I think you need to concede that there are certain things you should also reconsider.

I am clearly thick, but I don't know why you and other folks that I watch the games with will not just allow themselves to understand that having a real HC is very important.  Baalke is a clown.  But Doug is also a clown and they both ruined this team over the last 2 years.  There's a Venn Diagram at this point that looks like a complete circle.  Can't we agree upon that much, at least?

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Clearly you haven't read what I've been writing for the last 8 months, I guess you just interpret it however you want. I'm telling you that the tackles are now set, the left guard is set, the Center will likely only change if Morse falls off a cliff the next month, and the current right guard isn't under contract next year. We will (hopefully) invest in a center and guard in the offseason but it's not a given as we have a couple young guys already here in Hodges and Foster. I'm not gonna think that what I think matters a whit to anyone in the Jags Front Office; they haven't listened to me for two years, why would Baalke change course now?

And clearly you have ignored what I've been saying for the last 2 seasons...  It's all good, bro.  You're right.  But I'm also right.

This team is coached by a trash staff.  The coaching has been off for 2 years because Doug never really wanted to be a HC.  He just wanted to ride off on his Ring.  

My point that you keep ignoring is that you were so adamant last year that it was the O-Line that was the problem, not the Offensive play calling.  Last year your hair was on fire about firing Baalke because of his lack of fixing the O-Line.  Now you're resolved in that the O-Line just needs a tweak here or there?  I don't get it.  What changed your mind?

The problems you focused on last year were correct.  Baalke is trash.  I conceded that to you.  I've been trying to praise your insight.   And yet you're wanting to follow that same method.  The entire interior of this O-Line needs to be upgraded.  I like Morse and his passion.  But he's not good enough, not by a damn sight.  He just isn't.  He can't run block.  He can't pass protect.  Heck, he can't even execute a shotgun snap.  And Sherff did great in 2022, but he was already aging back 3 years ago!!!  Our entire interior O-Line is completely cooked.

This offseason needs to be focused on protecting a QB that has had 2 serious head injuries within a 12 month period.  Not to mention all the injuries to his shoulder, his ankle, and his knees.  

We're ruining our franchise QB.  And that's not on Walker Little.  He played well on Sunday.  But man, the entire interior line needs to be upgraded.  Otherwise, we're about to "Andrew Luck" our franchise QB.

I guess we should praise Baalke for signing Little?  But I don't.  [BLEEP] Baalke.  But you have to also throw Doug to the ditch as well.  Both these losers need to be gone.  They have no idea how to run a franchise.  I'm sick of it.  It's time to just flush the drain.

It's not resolving to say the Oline just needs a tweak. It's understanding that we've already put long-term investment into 60% of the starters, and have big money tied to another 20%. It isn't saying we don't plan for depth or beyond 2025, it's realizing that you have limited resources, you've already hitched your wagon to guys, and if you expect sweeping change across the interior, well, you're bout to be sorely disappointed. Welcome to Jaguars fandom, disappointment is our resting state.

We probably do address RG *and* C via darft/FA, but we likely get a jar on the shelf type guy behind Morse. Does saying it that way make it less frustrating?

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And clearly you have ignored what I've been saying for the last 2 seasons...  It's all good, bro.  You're right.  But I'm also right.

This team is coached by a trash staff.  The coaching has been off for 2 years because Doug never really wanted to be a HC.  He just wanted to ride off on his Ring.  

My point that you keep ignoring is that you were so adamant last year that it was the O-Line that was the problem, not the Offensive play calling.  Last year your hair was on fire about firing Baalke because of his lack of fixing the O-Line.  Now you're resolved in that the O-Line just needs a tweak here or there?  I don't get it.  What changed your mind?

The problems you focused on last year were correct.  Baalke is trash.  I conceded that to you.  I've been trying to praise your insight.   And yet you're wanting to follow that same method.  The entire interior of this O-Line needs to be upgraded.  I like Morse and his passion.  But he's not good enough, not by a damn sight.  He just isn't.  He can't run block.  He can't pass protect.  Heck, he can't even execute a shotgun snap.  And Sherff did great in 2022, but he was already aging back 3 years ago!!!  Our entire interior O-Line is completely cooked.

This offseason needs to be focused on protecting a QB that has had 2 serious head injuries within a 12 month period.  Not to mention all the injuries to his shoulder, his ankle, and his knees.  

We're ruining our franchise QB.  And that's not on Walker Little.  He played well on Sunday.  But man, the entire interior line needs to be upgraded.  Otherwise, we're about to "Andrew Luck" our franchise QB.

I guess we should praise Baalke for signing Little?  But I don't.  [BLEEP] Baalke.  But you have to also throw Doug to the ditch as well.  Both these losers need to be gone.  They have no idea how to run a franchise.  I'm sick of it.  It's time to just flush the drain.

It's not resolving to say the Oline just needs a tweak. It's understanding that we've already put long-term investment into 60% of the starters, and have big money tied to another 20%. It isn't saying we don't plan for depth or beyond 2025, it's realizing that you have limited resources, you've already hitched your wagon to guys, and if you expect sweeping change across the interior, well, you're bout to be sorely disappointed. Welcome to Jaguars fandom, disappointment is our resting state.

We probably do address RG *and* C via darft/FA, but we likely get a jar on the shelf type guy behind Morse. Does saying it that way make it less frustrating?

I wouldn't say its more likely than us drafting a guy early and Morse backing him up.  Morse has declined all year.  He was bad against the Texans and if he continues his bad play he will likely be backing up the rookie. I'm sure the new GM will want more beef up front for Trevor and our run game especially if we get a guy like Ben Johnson who loves running the football.  The center position will have to be upgraded.

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Walker Little is nothing more than a Stop Gap at the position. Knowing the possibilities of not being able to resigning Cam, the Jaguars had to resign Little until the position could be upgraded and hopefully so this off season. If not, we have him and his lack luster play for two more seasons. I like him as a person BUT we need better play at the position.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

Walker Little is nothing more than a Stop Gap at the position. Knowing the possibilities of not being able to resigning Cam, the Jaguars had to resign Little until the position could be upgraded and hopefully so this off season. If not, we have him and his lack luster play for two more seasons. I like him as a person BUT we need better play at the position.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

Lol.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Walker Little is nothing more than a Stop Gap at the position. Knowing the possibilities of not being able to resigning Cam, the Jaguars had to resign Little until the position could be upgraded and hopefully so this off season. If not, we have him and his lack luster play for two more seasons. I like him as a person BUT we need better play at the position.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

What?  Lol, Cam got benched for Little.  They didn't want to resign Cam, it had nothing to do with not being able to sign him. What makes you think they might not have been able to resign him if they wanted to? Lol

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https://twitter.com/AcccountStat/status/...0045671907

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The tackles are good enough in pass pro, is the there a similar stat somewhere for run blocking I wonder?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The tackles are good enough in pass pro, is the there a similar stat somewhere for run blocking I wonder?

I dont know about stats but just watching the games I like what Little does in the run game, Harrison not so much.  Harrison can make a good block here and there but hes just not good enough as a run blocker in what you want out of your RT imo.  Hopefully thats where he improves the most next year, if not we might be looking for a new RT in 2026.  Harriosn was one of the most dissapointing players for me this year.  I thought he was going to take the next step and he didnt.  He did look better though in the last 3 or for 4 games though.  Hopefully he was just battling some injuries this year for the most part and looks like a top RT next year.

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https://twitter.com/AcccountStat/status/...0045671907

The 2025 tackle situation looks good from this ^ perspective.

The injury-prone nature of W. Little is the scary part for me. 

We have NO idea if Javon Foster is anywhere near ready to be a swing tackle and NO idea if he can play guard thanks to the last regime's nature of developing rookies at a snail's pace. 

I'm really tempted to seek out a tackle who can also play guard in this draft (or in free agency) to make sure we're covered in all eventualities.  
And when I say a tackle who can play guard - I mean play guard a lot better than Walker Little did when they tried him thee. Oooff. That was rough.

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The tackles are good enough in pass pro, is the there a similar stat somewhere for run blocking I wonder?

FWIW - I just looked at Little's run block grades on PFF in weeks 13-16 and his lowest score was 63 - which is above average. (highest 71) 

Harrison on the other hand does have some 40's and 50's scores on his run block slate from the second half of the season. 

Sidenote: We may have finally seen the end of the Phil Rauscher era in Duval. 
And the angels did sing.

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https://twitter.com/AcccountStat/status/...0045671907

The 2025 tackle situation looks good from this ^ perspective.

The injury-prone nature of W. Little is the scary part for me. 

We have NO idea if Javon Foster is anywhere near ready to be a swing tackle and NO idea if he can play guard thanks to the last regime's nature of developing rookies at a snail's pace. 

I'm really tempted to seek out a tackle who can also play guard in this draft (or in free agency) to make sure we're covered in all eventualities.  
And when I say a tackle who can play guard - I mean play guard a lot better than Walker Little did when they tried him thee. Oooff. That was rough.

Donovan Jackson if hes there with our 2nd pick.  He's looked much better at LT than he did at G so someone might draft him in the 1st and play him at LT.  He looked really good last night.  Jackson could probably play all 5 positions

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https://twitter.com/SamEkstrom/status/18...9899870426

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https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/18...8299441271

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He gave up 8 pressures in a game for us earlier in the year

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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but Cam Robinson reached his 'time played' trigger with the Vikings, to escalate his 6th round draft selection to a 4th.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.