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Trevor Lawrence: Franchise QB (TL Discussion, Merged Threads)

(This post was last modified: 12-13-2024, 10:45 PM by The_Franchise_QB. Edited 2 times in total.)

Here is a something I struggle with Trevor... who is his best comp? Seriously who?

Statistically I thought Jared Goff, but Goff won a ton of games. Also, Trevor has a lot of running ability that is uncapped IMO, but with the concussions that'll probably stop anyways. He's definitely nothing like Stafford. Also, no, he is nothing like Daniel Jones (the national media's comparison). So who is he like?

I've boiled it down to another Clemson QB, Deshaun Watson (pre all the suspension/drama/trade) or current Packers QB, Jordan Love. No real argument other than, kind of play similar and statistically somewhat comparable.

Anyone got a comp for TLAW?
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(This post was last modified: 12-13-2024, 11:13 PM by TDOSS. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-13-2024, 10:43 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Here is a something I struggle with Trevor... who is his best comp? Seriously who?

Statistically I thought Jared Goff, but Goff won a ton of games. Also, Trevor has a lot of running ability that is uncapped IMO, but with the concussions that'll probably stop anyways. He's definitely nothing like Stafford.  Also, no, he is nothing like Daniel Jones (the national media's comparison). So who is he like?

I've boiled it down to another Clemson QB, Deshaun Watson (pre all the suspension/drama/trade) or current Packers QB, Jordan Love. No real argument other than, kind of play similar and statistically somewhat comparable.

Anyone got a comp for TLAW?
Maybe a guy like Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota? Those two come to mind when it comes to inconsistency.

I'd say Luck but then thats also selling Luck short because, he made the playoffs his 1st 3 years including an AFC Championship in his 3rd season with TY Hilton as his #1 target+ an ageing Wayne as his #2 and Chuck Pagano as his HC. Led the league in TDs with 41 in 2014...had the best rookie passing season ever and ressurected the Colts after a 1 win season in 2011.


Trevor has not even hit the level Luck had as a rookie
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(12-13-2024, 03:42 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 02:22 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Interesting that you changed it from Darnold to Mahomes and Allen.... The clear best 2 QBs in the league.

Has anyone said Lawrence is as good as Mahomes and Allen? No.

Also. Are the Bengals making the playoffs? 

Interesting.....

The Vikings may let Sam Darnold go after this season in order to make room for JJ McCarthy.  Is Darnold an upgrade on TL?  Should the Jags try to list him?
Doubtful. We are stuck with him for atleast another three years. Darnold is going to sign for big money elsewhere.

Next year will be interesting (assuming Doug gets fired), what is the excuse for 2025? Will the teal kool aiders be sipping or chugging on Trevors dissapointing play yet again? They can't be blaming the new coaches can they? Or are they going to be blaming the 2024 injuries? There's no reasoning with them. I'm just so over to blow this whole roster up and start from ground 0 again.
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(12-13-2024, 09:27 PM)Eric1 Wrote: It's always the idiots with a join date of 2021 or recent that have the dumbest takes about Trevor.

Those in glass houses...
NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.


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(12-13-2024, 11:25 PM)cland Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 09:27 PM)Eric1 Wrote: It's always the idiots with a join date of 2021 or recent that have the dumbest takes about Trevor.

Those in glass houses...

Good so you looked in the mirror
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(12-13-2024, 10:43 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Here is a something I struggle with Trevor... who is his best comp? Seriously who?

Statistically I thought Jared Goff, but Goff won a ton of games. Also, Trevor has a lot of running ability that is uncapped IMO, but with the concussions that'll probably stop anyways. He's definitely nothing like Stafford.  Also, no, he is nothing like Daniel Jones (the national media's comparison). So who is he like?

I've boiled it down to another Clemson QB, Deshaun Watson (pre all the suspension/drama/trade) or current Packers QB, Jordan Love. No real argument other than, kind of play similar and statistically somewhat comparable.

Anyone got a comp for TLAW?

Steve Young if he was never traded to San Fran.
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(This post was last modified: 12-14-2024, 03:34 AM by OG-JAGFAN. Edited 3 times in total.)

(12-13-2024, 09:27 PM)Eric1 Wrote: It's always the idiots with a join date of 2021 or recent that have the dumbest takes about Trevor.
Yea we watched the so called "smart ones" defend Gene Smith, Dave Caldwell, Gus Bradley and the other losers. You see yourself as some kind of superior intelligence but in actuality your an idiot with a big mouth.

You can take your history full of bad takes, stupid opinions, and flat out wrong takes elsewhere. I know I do not value them and I am betting other's do not.
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(12-13-2024, 10:43 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Here is a something I struggle with Trevor... who is his best comp? Seriously who?

Statistically I thought Jared Goff, but Goff won a ton of games. Also, Trevor has a lot of running ability that is uncapped IMO, but with the concussions that'll probably stop anyways. He's definitely nothing like Stafford.  Also, no, he is nothing like Daniel Jones (the national media's comparison). So who is he like?

I've boiled it down to another Clemson QB, Deshaun Watson (pre all the suspension/drama/trade) or current Packers QB, Jordan Love. No real argument other than, kind of play similar and statistically somewhat comparable.

Anyone got a comp for TLAW?
I would say Winston but he throws many more Qbs than Lawrence.

I would say
Blaine Gabbert
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(This post was last modified: 12-14-2024, 04:13 AM by Eric1. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-14-2024, 03:32 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 09:27 PM)Eric1 Wrote: It's always the idiots with a join date of 2021 or recent that have the dumbest takes about Trevor.
Yea we watched the so called "smart ones" defend Gene Smith, Dave Caldwell, Gus Bradley and the other losers. You see yourself as some kind of superior intelligence but in actuality your an idiot with a big mouth.

You can take your history full of bad takes, stupid opinions, and flat out wrong takes elsewhere. I know I do not value them and I am betting other's do not.

Ahh did little baby get his feelings hurt with the truth? Poor baby.

And yes my hot takes are usually correct. Right about Foles being a bum and shouldn't have ever signed him, yup. Right about them bringing in Coughlin again, yup. Right about them bringing in Urban's trash [BLEEP], yup. And that just starts the recent fun.

I don't see myself as some superior intelligence, I just know what I'm looking at and watching and it's easy to see who doesn't have a single [BLEEP] clue about what they're looking at or watching. Which you fall into that category to the tee. You don't have a [BLEEP] clue dude so suck it and make another stupid new thread to try and get some attention and feel important.

Edit: and the fact that you compared Trevor to Gabbert in the post above just confirms everything I just said LOL!!!!! Clueless jack [BLEEP].
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(This post was last modified: 12-14-2024, 07:52 AM by TDOSS. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-13-2024, 08:12 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(12-12-2024, 10:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote: I think you need to start strongly considering the likelihood that Trevor isn't as good as you think he is and the coaching staff already knows this. Everything about their body language, press conference responses, and offensive scheme says as much.

Ask yourself this, why don't we work the middle of the field? Because they don't trust Trevor's inaccuracy and overthrows. That's why we work the sidelines so much.  Doug has been critical of Trevor going back to last year. Compare that to how he talks about the O-line. Remember the games last year where Trevor threw those horrible passes in the endzone, one which was picked and several which should have been and he got lucky? And the fumbles. Jfc the fumbles.

I think this coaching staff sees Trevor every day, and has to limit their playbook based on his deficiencies, but of course they can't say that. So the offense has to scheme around a bad O-line and a QB that makes bad decisions and has poor accuracy at times. We need to stop saying "Press/Trent/Doug bad, Trevor good" and maybe start considering that Trevor isn't the guy either.
The coaching staff is what you’re basing it off of? They suck.

Coaching staff wether we like them or do not know more than anyone in the building or fans that watch the game. They are the ones that actually see these players in practices more than anyone. Every. Single. Day.

Great players can somewhat mask bad coaching, theres plenty of QBs who do it year in and out. Trevor hasn't done it not one in a season.

Andrew Luck with Chuck Pagano
Deshaun Watson with Bill OBrien
Kurt Warner with Ken Whisenhunt

Most recent:

Herbert with Brandon Staley
Burrow with Zac Taylor

(12-14-2024, 04:04 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 03:32 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Yea we watched the so called "smart ones" defend Gene Smith, Dave Caldwell, Gus Bradley and the other losers. You see yourself as some kind of superior intelligence but in actuality your an idiot with a big mouth.

You can take your history full of bad takes, stupid opinions, and flat out wrong takes elsewhere. I know I do not value them and I am betting other's do not.

Ahh did little baby get his feelings hurt with the truth? Poor baby.

And yes my hot takes are usually correct. Right about Foles being a bum and shouldn't have ever signed him, yup. Right about them bringing in Coughlin again, yup. Right about them bringing in Urban's trash [BLEEP], yup. And that just starts the recent fun.

I don't see myself as some superior intelligence, I just know what I'm looking at and watching and it's easy to see who doesn't have a single [BLEEP] clue about what they're looking at or watching. Which you fall into that category to the tee. You don't have a [BLEEP] clue dude so suck it and make another stupid new thread to try and get some attention and feel important.

Edit: and the fact that you compared Trevor to Gabbert in the post above just confirms everything I just said LOL!!!!! Clueless jack [BLEEP].

I don't think your stupid or intelligent. You obviously just have a biased take when it comes to QBs in general and its  evident on this very thread.

All in all I'll be looking forward to your opinions on Trevor 2025, I wonder what those will be? Will you be using his 2024 concussion year into play? I shall grab some popcorn and have extra on the shelve when I am reading your Trevor comments next year.
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(12-14-2024, 07:41 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 08:12 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: The coaching staff is what you’re basing it off of? They suck.

Coaching staff wether we like them or do not know more than anyone in the building or fans that watch the game. They are the ones that actually see these players in practices more than anyone. Every. Single. Day.

Great players can somewhat mask bad coaching, theres plenty of QBs who do it year in and out. Trevor hasn't done it not one in a season.

Andrew Luck with Chuck Pagano
Deshaun Watson with Bill OBrien
Kurt Warner with Ken Whisenhunt

Most recent:

Herbert with Brandon Staley
Burrow with Zac Taylor

(12-14-2024, 04:04 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Ahh did little baby get his feelings hurt with the truth? Poor baby.

And yes my hot takes are usually correct. Right about Foles being a bum and shouldn't have ever signed him, yup. Right about them bringing in Coughlin again, yup. Right about them bringing in Urban's trash [BLEEP], yup. And that just starts the recent fun.

I don't see myself as some superior intelligence, I just know what I'm looking at and watching and it's easy to see who doesn't have a single [BLEEP] clue about what they're looking at or watching. Which you fall into that category to the tee. You don't have a [BLEEP] clue dude so suck it and make another stupid new thread to try and get some attention and feel important.

Edit: and the fact that you compared Trevor to Gabbert in the post above just confirms everything I just said LOL!!!!! Clueless jack [BLEEP].

I don't think your stupid or intelligent. You obviously just have a biased take when it comes to QBs in general and its  evident on this very thread.

All in all I'll be looking forward to your opinions on Trevor 2025, I wonder what those will be? Will you be using his 2024 concussion year into play? I shall grab some popcorn and have extra on the shelve when I am reading your Trevor comments next year.
He will just move the goal post. People like him never admit their wrong. I said my peace on Lawrence.

I will be the guy at the end saying "I told you so" once again. Fans like Eric have a history of defending the bums on the Jaguars. He also has an extensive history of being wrong.
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(12-14-2024, 04:04 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 03:32 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Yea we watched the so called "smart ones" defend Gene Smith, Dave Caldwell, Gus Bradley and the other losers. You see yourself as some kind of superior intelligence but in actuality your an idiot with a big mouth.

You can take your history full of bad takes, stupid opinions, and flat out wrong takes elsewhere. I know I do not value them and I am betting other's do not.

Ahh did little baby get his feelings hurt with the truth? Poor baby.

And yes my hot takes are usually correct. Right about Foles being a bum and shouldn't have ever signed him, yup. Right about them bringing in Coughlin again, yup. Right about them bringing in Urban's trash [BLEEP], yup. And that just starts the recent fun.

I don't see myself as some superior intelligence, I just know what I'm looking at and watching and it's easy to see who doesn't have a single [BLEEP] clue about what they're looking at or watching. Which you fall into that category to the tee. You don't have a [BLEEP] clue dude so suck it and make another stupid new thread to try and get some attention and feel important.

Edit: and the fact that you compared Trevor to Gabbert in the post above just confirms everything I just said LOL!!!!! Clueless jack [BLEEP].

Say what you want but by your post history and idiotic takes I don't respect it value anything you say.YYour a blind and biased Homer.

Complaining about the threads I make? Your pea sizes brain can't help but to not click them? This forum is almost dead and your complying about new threads being made? Idiot
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(This post was last modified: 12-14-2024, 12:27 PM by rpr52121. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-12-2024, 10:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-12-2024, 08:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: He was 10th before his shoulder injury.

Before his injury, he was in the top 10 for QBR, Adjusted EPA, Touchdown Passes, Passing Yards, Passing First Downs and Yards/Completion.

All while being at the top of the list in drops, an OL that was up and down and a Run game that was non existent for the most part.

As well as having a Defense that ranked in the bottom of the league in basically every stat.

I think you need to start strongly considering the likelihood that Trevor isn't as good as you think he is and the coaching staff already knows this. Everything about their body language, press conference responses, and offensive scheme says as much.

Ask yourself this, why don't we work the middle of the field? Because they don't trust Trevor's inaccuracy and overthrows. That's why we work the sidelines so much.  Doug has been critical of Trevor going back to last year. Compare that to how he talks about the O-line. Remember the games last year where Trevor threw those horrible passes in the endzone, one which was picked and several which should have been and he got lucky? And the fumbles. Jfc the fumbles.

I think this coaching staff sees Trevor every day, and has to limit their playbook based on his deficiencies, but of course they can't say that. So the offense has to scheme around a bad O-line and a QB that makes bad decisions and has poor accuracy at times. We need to stop saying "Press/Trent/Doug bad, Trevor good" and maybe start considering that Trevor isn't the guy either.

So here is what is odd about your argument. If coaching staff knew that last year that Trevor was an average QB at best, why was Trevor signed to that extension this off season?

If the dividing lines are so stark that Baalke extended Trevor given Baalke's perceived potential over Press/Pederson's objections, and Shad sided with Baalke; then there are much bigger issues going on with this franchise.

Plus if you are any HC/OC of any resolve, why would you stay with that franchise? Playing out the string and being grumpy like Pederson has been is not going to help him get any future jobs in the NFL. Why not just quit in protest? I'm sure some around the NFL would understand that Baalke did something that forced your hand.
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(12-14-2024, 01:44 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 11:25 PM)cland Wrote: Those in glass houses...

Good so you looked in the mirror

Put your big boy pants on, Eric, before making statements like "Ahh did little baby get his feelings hurt with the truth? Poor baby" and realize that this message board has a search function.  If I thought it would convince anyone who doesn't already know that you act like a 3-year old when you see honest criticism of the Jags, I would put together a dossier of your blind homerism since you've been posting here.
NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.


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(12-14-2024, 12:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:
(12-12-2024, 10:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote: I think you need to start strongly considering the likelihood that Trevor isn't as good as you think he is and the coaching staff already knows this. Everything about their body language, press conference responses, and offensive scheme says as much.

Ask yourself this, why don't we work the middle of the field? Because they don't trust Trevor's inaccuracy and overthrows. That's why we work the sidelines so much.  Doug has been critical of Trevor going back to last year. Compare that to how he talks about the O-line. Remember the games last year where Trevor threw those horrible passes in the endzone, one which was picked and several which should have been and he got lucky? And the fumbles. Jfc the fumbles.

I think this coaching staff sees Trevor every day, and has to limit their playbook based on his deficiencies, but of course they can't say that. So the offense has to scheme around a bad O-line and a QB that makes bad decisions and has poor accuracy at times. We need to stop saying "Press/Trent/Doug bad, Trevor good" and maybe start considering that Trevor isn't the guy either.

So here is what is odd about your argument. If coaching staff knew that last year that Trevor was an average QB at best, why was Trevor signed to that extension this off season?
Same reason why Purdy will be signed in SF. Does it mean that they value him as high as the fanbase in SF do....or the HC, GM?

NFL is a business - especially when it comes to QB play. It's not as easy saying well lets just pay him because we think hes REALLY good or REALLY bad. Or his production is mid or whatnot.

Besides QB production there is alot of others factors that get talked about in "closed doors" when it comes to resigning a QB that we as fans dont consider or think about. 

They probably thought that they had a very good roster around Trevor and they thought he could be "good enough" to play at a high level under this roster. Again think of Purdy with the 9ers. 

They couldn't just let him walk away because he still shows flashes and is young, and they didn't feel too confident walking into the draft and replacing him. Thats just speculations ofcourse. 

My stance on Trevor has always been and always will be that if we have a healthy roster think of 2017 roster than Trevor would thrive and fit in. But he’s not one who can lift a team by himself with any extraordinary skill or talent, in my opinion. 

He falls in the same catg as guys like Baker, Darnold, Cousins, Purdy. 

He is not Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Mahomes.

There's 5 that can do it. 

So as a HC and GM, what now? You just dont let them walk away.... you sign them and wish you have a legit roster to compete and Baalke and Doug failed to provide Trevor with elite talent to succeed.
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(12-14-2024, 03:31 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 12:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: So here is what is odd about your argument. If coaching staff knew that last year that Trevor was an average QB at best, why was Trevor signed to that extension this off season?
Same reason why Purdy will be signed in SF. Does it mean that they value him as high as the fanbase in SF do....or the HC, GM?

NFL is a business - especially when it comes to QB play. It's not as easy saying well lets just pay him because we think hes REALLY good or REALLY bad. Or his production is mid or whatnot.

Besides QB production there is alot of others factors that get talked about in "closed doors" when it comes to resigning a QB that we as fans dont consider or think about. 

They probably thought that they had a very good roster around Trevor and they thought he could be "good enough" to play at a high level under this roster. Again think of Purdy with the 9ers. 

They couldn't just let him walk away because he still shows flashes and is young, and they didn't feel too confident walking into the draft and replacing him. Thats just speculations ofcourse. 

My stance on Trevor has always been and always will be that if we have a healthy roster think of 2017 roster than Trevor would thrive and fit in. But he’s not one who can lift a team by himself with any extraordinary skill or talent, in my opinion. 

He falls in the same catg as guys like Baker, Darnold, Cousins, Purdy. 

He is not Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Mahomes.

There's 5 that can do it. 

So as a HC and GM, what now? You just dont let them walk away.... you sign them and wish you have a legit roster to compete and Baalke and Doug failed to provide Trevor with elite talent to succeed.


I 2nd this take
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(12-14-2024, 03:31 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 12:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: So here is what is odd about your argument. If coaching staff knew that last year that Trevor was an average QB at best, why was Trevor signed to that extension this off season?
Same reason why Purdy will be signed in SF. Does it mean that they value him as high as the fanbase in SF do....or the HC, GM?

NFL is a business - especially when it comes to QB play. It's not as easy saying well lets just pay him because we think hes REALLY good or REALLY bad. Or his production is mid or whatnot.

Besides QB production there is alot of others factors that get talked about in "closed doors" when it comes to resigning a QB that we as fans dont consider or think about. 

They probably thought that they had a very good roster around Trevor and they thought he could be "good enough" to play at a high level under this roster. Again think of Purdy with the 9ers. 

They couldn't just let him walk away because he still shows flashes and is young, and they didn't feel too confident walking into the draft and replacing him. Thats just speculations ofcourse. 

My stance on Trevor has always been and always will be that if we have a healthy roster think of 2017 roster than Trevor would thrive and fit in. But he’s not one who can lift a team by himself with any extraordinary skill or talent, in my opinion. 

He falls in the same catg as guys like Baker, Darnold, Cousins, Purdy. 

He is not Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Mahomes.

There's 5 that can do it. 

So as a HC and GM, what now? You just dont let them walk away.... you sign them and wish you have a legit roster to compete and Baalke and Doug failed to provide Trevor with elite talent to succeed.

(12-14-2024, 03:56 PM)StrayaJag Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 03:31 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Same reason why Purdy will be signed in SF. Does it mean that they value him as high as the fanbase in SF do....or the HC, GM?

NFL is a business - especially when it comes to QB play. It's not as easy saying well lets just pay him because we think hes REALLY good or REALLY bad. Or his production is mid or whatnot.

Besides QB production there is alot of others factors that get talked about in "closed doors" when it comes to resigning a QB that we as fans dont consider or think about. 

They probably thought that they had a very good roster around Trevor and they thought he could be "good enough" to play at a high level under this roster. Again think of Purdy with the 9ers. 

They couldn't just let him walk away because he still shows flashes and is young, and they didn't feel too confident walking into the draft and replacing him. Thats just speculations ofcourse. 

My stance on Trevor has always been and always will be that if we have a healthy roster think of 2017 roster than Trevor would thrive and fit in. But he’s not one who can lift a team by himself with any extraordinary skill or talent, in my opinion. 

He falls in the same catg as guys like Baker, Darnold, Cousins, Purdy. 

He is not Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Mahomes.

There's 5 that can do it. 

So as a HC and GM, what now? You just dont let them walk away.... you sign them and wish you have a legit roster to compete and Baalke and Doug failed to provide Trevor with elite talent to succeed.


I 2nd this take

I understand that stance, I just disagree with it on a few points.

I think signing Purdy would be a huge mistake for the 49ers. All his All-Pro offensive teammates have been injury or getting old and he has not been able to make up the production. And that is with a much better offensive schemed coach than Pederson. The only way you build that kind of roster around Purdy is by paying him so little. If he starts taking up $50+ million on the cap, they won't be able to surround him with the talent they need. Especially since they have not drafted as well in the past few years.

The ceiling on Trevor is something I think we agree with. I see his ceiling now as between pre-Detroit Stafford and Matt Ryan. On his own he could become a good QB that can regularly get his team to the Playoffs, but not win there unless he is paired with an elite play calling coach and some All Pro level offensive pieces.

And to be fair, of the elite 5 guys you listed there 2 have HoF level coaching and 4 have had at least 1 All-Pro level offensive playmaker. Herbert has and hasn't won anything. Allen had Diggs playing elite and is this year is doing it without anyone else, so we will see how these playoffs evolve. (If he does beat Mahomes, get to a Super Bowl, etc; I think Jags seriously have to go after Joe Brady)

As for Trevor. He is basically getting Daniel Jones money cap wise thru 2027, and he can be cut prior to 2028 for only a $21 cap hit if split between '28 and '29. Honestly it is not a bad contract, but coaches agreeing that extending him thinking that he is "good enough" is ultimate ego trip.

Pederson's offense here has never been a ceiling raiser type 22 or 23. A lot of wins were dependent on winning the TO diff, and most of those were still close. They didn't have an offense that regularly overcame other poor play or mistakes other than the playoff win.

Plus they didn't know what they had in BTJ at that time (right after the draft), so there is no way they could have expected him to be a budding superstar and immediately be a great deep threat to add that element to the offense. Sure maybe over time, but not this year.

So they honestly thought their middling offensive scheme with mediocre running game, and no elite talent around him (0 All Pro's and only 1 Pro Bowl season) was going to be enough with a "good enough" QB to be a contender?

None of that makes sense for Pederson and Baalke/FO being on the same page there. It only makes sense if they were at odds. Then Pederson's history in Philly with FO dynamics/politics should have told him that the way he was playing this was the losing side no matter what happens under those circumstances during the season and basically left right then.
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(12-14-2024, 08:36 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 03:31 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Same reason why Purdy will be signed in SF. Does it mean that they value him as high as the fanbase in SF do....or the HC, GM?

NFL is a business - especially when it comes to QB play. It's not as easy saying well lets just pay him because we think hes REALLY good or REALLY bad. Or his production is mid or whatnot.

Besides QB production there is alot of others factors that get talked about in "closed doors" when it comes to resigning a QB that we as fans dont consider or think about. 

They probably thought that they had a very good roster around Trevor and they thought he could be "good enough" to play at a high level under this roster. Again think of Purdy with the 9ers. 

They couldn't just let him walk away because he still shows flashes and is young, and they didn't feel too confident walking into the draft and replacing him. Thats just speculations ofcourse. 

My stance on Trevor has always been and always will be that if we have a healthy roster think of 2017 roster than Trevor would thrive and fit in. But he’s not one who can lift a team by himself with any extraordinary skill or talent, in my opinion. 

He falls in the same catg as guys like Baker, Darnold, Cousins, Purdy. 

He is not Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Mahomes.

There's 5 that can do it. 

So as a HC and GM, what now? You just dont let them walk away.... you sign them and wish you have a legit roster to compete and Baalke and Doug failed to provide Trevor with elite talent to succeed.

(12-14-2024, 03:56 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: I 2nd this take

I understand that stance, I just disagree with it on a few points.

I think signing Purdy would be a huge mistake for the 49ers. All his All-Pro offensive teammates have been injury or getting old and he has not been able to make up the production. And that is with a much better offensive schemed coach than Pederson. The only way you build that kind of roster around Purdy is by paying him so little. If he starts taking up $50+ million on the cap, they won't be able to surround him with the talent they need. Especially since they have not drafted as well in the past few years.

The ceiling on Trevor is something I think we agree with. I see his ceiling now as between pre-Detroit Stafford and Matt Ryan. On his own he could become a good QB that can regularly get his team to the Playoffs, but not win there unless he is paired with an elite play calling coach and some All Pro level offensive pieces.

And to be fair, of the elite 5 guys you listed there 2 have HoF level coaching and 4 have had at least 1 All-Pro level offensive playmaker. Herbert has and hasn't won anything. Allen had Diggs playing elite and is this year is doing it without anyone else, so we will see how these playoffs evolve. (If he does beat Mahomes, get to a Super Bowl, etc; I think Jags seriously have to go after Joe Brady)

Besides Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Lamar and Burrow all the other QBs in the NFL are pretty much system QBs in my opinion. Atleast that's the way I see it.  They need good coaching and elite offensive rosters to fit in. Trevor included.

And there's nothing wrong with those QBs either but you better have good coaching staff and you better draft well.

Doug would've had good success in Jacksonville if he didn't have Trent Baalke for his GM.
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(12-14-2024, 12:45 PM)cland Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 01:44 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Good so you looked in the mirror

Put your big boy pants on, Eric, before making statements like "Ahh did little baby get his feelings hurt with the truth? Poor baby" and realize that this message board has a search function.  If I thought it would convince anyone who doesn't already know that you act like a 3-year old when you see honest criticism of the Jags, I would put together a dossier of your blind homerism since you've been posting here.
 That sword swings both ways there, "thinly veiled tinhorn troll constantly looking for something to criticize in jags-land."
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Lol. It makes me laugh the people who hate Trevor can't go one week without talking about him, even when he isn't playing!

They are soooo desperate for Trevor to fail. Lot of angry cheetos basement typing today.
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