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#61
(This post was last modified: 12-14-2024, 12:39 AM by TDOSS.)

(12-13-2024, 10:42 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 10:24 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Nationalistic
Check

Scapegoating an ethnic minority/is
Check

Militaristic
Check

Hero worship of populist politicians
Check

If the jack boot fits

US nationalism and German nationalism are very different, and the Democrats are almost as nationalist as the Republicans.
Wrong and wrong.

Quote:Trump isn't scapegoating minorities.

Delusion.

Quote:Trump likes military parades and military order but he's not seriously threatening to full-scale invade our neighbors.

Invading neighbors isn't the part that's similiar.

Quote:The Democrats also try to get us to worship their Presidential candidates. Some are successful with some people. Remember Obama?

Quite different.

(12-13-2024, 11:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 10:47 PM)TDOSS Wrote: If people can fall for trump , they can (and did) fall for a Hitler. I would hate to see what Americans would fall for if times were TRULY bad in America, as they were in Germany in the 1930s....

By the way, the plural of "Nazi" is "Nazis." No apostrophe is necessary.

I guess nazis is plural if you only see it as a pejorative to be slung at your opponents, but the fact of the matter is that is' an acronym. (Na)tionalSo(zi)alistische, which stands for National Socialist party. I noticed you forgot that bolded part in your mischaracterization of the American right.

You said nazi is or nazi owns. Learn how to properly pluralize a word if you want to be taken seriously.
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#62

LOL the Dems are the Nazi's. They weaponized most every part of the Government against anyone who didn't agree with them. Heck they demonized anyone they didn't like. Joseph Goebbels would be proud as they took a few pages right out of his book.
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#63

(12-13-2024, 10:42 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 10:24 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Nationalistic
Check

Scapegoating an ethnic minority/is
Check

Militaristic
Check

Hero worship of populist politicians
Check

If the jack boot fits



Trump likes military parades and military order but he's not seriously threatening to full-scale invade our neighbors.
Trump has only a minor interest in the US armed forces abroad. He wanted to use the armed forces to invade and conquer Venezuela for its oil. He's not interested in sending troops far or away to conquer.

Trump wants all or virtually all of the military in the continental United States.

To use against his "enemy within" (see my sig at the type of my username) dissidents. Of course the military will not do anything of the sort, but that's what's constantly rattling around inside Trump's empty head.

For Trump the military has one use only and it is against dissenters and to reinforce his dictatorship throughout all 50 states. But and as I point out, the military will not do this, not in a million years it won't.
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#64

(12-14-2024, 12:36 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 11:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I guess nazis is plural if you only see it as a pejorative to be slung at your opponents, but the fact of the matter is that is' an acronym. (Na)tionalSo(zi)alistische, which stands for National Socialist party. I noticed you forgot that bolded part in your mischaracterization of the American right.

You said nazi is or nazi owns. Learn how to properly pluralize a word if you want to be taken seriously.

I can only hope you're not a real person.
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#65

(12-14-2024, 08:22 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 12:36 AM)TDOSS Wrote:

You said nazi is or nazi owns. Learn how to properly pluralize a word if you want to be taken seriously.

I can only hope you're not a real person.

 Sorry for calling out your grammar MAGA
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#66

Well, it's what people do when they don't have real arguments, so it makes sense.
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#67

(12-14-2024, 08:34 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Well, it's what people do when they don't have real arguments, so it makes sense.

It was conservatives who supported the Nazis in the 30s.

It was conservatives who largely support fascist sympathizers like Father Coughlin.

It was conservatives to supported the business plot.

It is and was conservatives who largely support the idea of an ethnostate.

It is conservatives who routinely fly Nazi flags at various right wing rallies.

It is conservatives who support modern day fascists like Erdogan or Viktor Orban.

The usual way that conservatives try to hide from this history is by pointing to more libertarians forms of conservatism and ignoring the authoritarian forms of it. Both forms of conservatism exist.
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#68

(12-13-2024, 10:42 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 10:24 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Nationalistic
Check

Scapegoating an ethnic minority/is
Check

Militaristic
Check

Hero worship of populist politicians
Check

If the jack boot fits



Trump isn't scapegoating minorities.

Laughing
"They're eating the pets" isn't scapegoating minorities?

"They're sending your boy home from school as a girl" isn't scapegoating minorities?

"Mexico is sending is rapists and criminals" isn't scapegoating minorities?
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#69

(12-14-2024, 10:59 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 10:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: Trump isn't scapegoating minorities.

Laughing
"They're eating the pets" isn't scapegoating minorities?

"They're sending your boy home from school as a girl" isn't scapegoating minorities?

"Mexico is sending is rapists and criminals" isn't scapegoating minorities?

You present three statements out of 9 years of life as a politician. One old, two new.  
The old one was never acted on.  
One of the new ones isn't really scapegoating a minority.  He's proposing avoiding discussion of transgender issues in schools, not punishing trans people in general.  
The third one, Haitians eating pets, comes closest to the mark.  There's another, similar one you didn't mention, the "complete and total ban on Muslims entering the United States." Trump did try to act on that, three times.  I'll let the high paid lawyers parse that out, but ultimately, after three tries, they found a way to make it nearly impossible for people from a few Muslim majority countries to come here, without taking away the constitutional and legal rights of people, and most of the world's Muslims still have some ability to come visit the US.  We might see something similar play out with Haitians, but I hope not. Trump certainly doesn't like them being here and it is for racist reasons, but that doesn't make him Hitler either.
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#70

(12-14-2024, 08:31 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 08:22 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I can only hope you're not a real person.

 Sorry for calling out your grammar MAGA

While conveniently missing (or ignoring) his point of the word Nazi being an acronym from the words National Socialist thereby debunking your (and Mikesez's) belief that Nazis are conservatives. 

You must have great flexibility considering how much you have to stretch to make your narrative seem plausible.
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#71
(This post was last modified: 12-14-2024, 01:16 PM by mikesez. Edited 3 times in total.)

(12-14-2024, 12:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 08:31 AM)TDOSS Wrote:  Sorry for calling out your grammar MAGA

While conveniently missing (or ignoring) his point of the word Nazi being an acronym from the words National Socialist thereby debunking your (and Mikesez's) belief that Nazis are conservatives. 

You must have great flexibility considering how much you have to stretch to make your narrative seem plausible.

First of all, names can deceive.  The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not democratic, not of the people, and not a republic.  

But back to the Nazis.  There was a socialist aspect to them.  Besides the name, they did take over some of the "means of production" once they had control of government.  

But that wasn't the main thing they sold to the voters, and it wasn't the main thing they did.

And the owners of the "means of production" largely voted for the Nazis, thinking the Nazis either weren't serious about the socialist part, or that they would get more money out of the Nazis doing it than they would if the SPD did it.

The Nazis were not conservative, not at all. But they were right wing. They were to the right of conservative. The word many use is "reactionary".
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#72

(12-13-2024, 11:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 10:47 PM)TDOSS Wrote: If people can fall for trump , they can (and did) fall for a Hitler. I would hate to see what Americans would fall for if times were TRULY bad in America, as they were in Germany in the 1930s....

By the way, the plural of "Nazi" is "Nazis." No apostrophe is necessary.


And I guess nazis is plural if you only see it as a pejorative to be slung at your opponents, but the fact of the matter is that is' an acronym. (Na)tionalSo(zi)alistische, which stands for National Socialist party. I noticed you forgot that bolded part in your mischaracterization of the American right.

Wrong.

Nazi Germany was very far from socialism, as was Fascist Italy, even though Mussolini started out as a socialist. In both cases, the super-rich went right on maintaining private super-riches. Nobody took away private capitalist ownership and nobody provided socialized medicine, government welfare for the disabled and destitute, etc., in the manner of even social democracy. The Nazis were big on families or individuals pulling up their own bootstraps.

Quote:Associating NAZI's with conservatives is the dumbest trick brainiacs ever believed.

Look. The number one rule when liberals are attempting to understand information is to ask yourself the question, "Compared to what?" When we look at Germany, there was a communist threat, where the left was aggregating state power, promising to make all things equal, and attempting to replace German identity with a universal identity. The people didn't like it, so they said if we're going to use state power, let's use it to quash this new threat and maintain German identity. However, they replaced any right wing, individualist principles to defeat the immediate and pressing threat which was the communists. The adopted LEFTIST ideas and values to do so, making them far, far left of your average American

This is definitely not a good summary of historical political development in Germany after WWI up to the Nazi regime. Go review a reasonable textbook on it.

Quote:Now, if you want to say history is repeating itself, go ahead. I was warning about this in 2016 when Trump was running for the first time. I've always said there's a real threat of fascism with Trump. That's because the idiots keep letting our leftists move too far to the left. The only way to defeat that power is with state power.

And let me be even more clear, since it's easy to get this confused. When I used right wing in the example above, it was in a modern US colloquial way. Right in the US is still left.

Right in the US isn't still left. Right in the US means that there are men on the web even now who complain about women having the right to vote! Right means people like Trump sometimes appeal by saying they want to get rid of all income tax and all environmental regulations. Hello federal bankruptcy and hello tons of sewer sludge being openly dumped in the rivers and lakes and bays.
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#73

(12-09-2024, 11:04 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-09-2024, 01:06 AM)TDOSS Wrote: Nick Fuentes is a neo-Nazi. Are you saying he’s a Leftist?

NAZI's were left wing. Nick Fuentes is not right wing.

Another idiotic take 

Why did Trump invite Left Wing Nick Fuentes to Thanksgiving at Mar a Lago? Is Trump a Leftist?
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#74

(12-14-2024, 12:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 08:31 AM)TDOSS Wrote:  Sorry for calling out your grammar MAGA

While conveniently missing (or ignoring) his point of the word Nazi being an acronym from the words National Socialist thereby debunking your (and Mikesez's) belief that Nazis are conservatives. 

You must have great flexibility considering how much you have to stretch to make your narrative seem plausible.

Really? See post #72 and challenge it if you can But nevermind your here to troll and have no idea about anything being discussed.
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#75

(12-14-2024, 09:26 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 08:34 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Well, it's what people do when they don't have real arguments, so it makes sense.

It was conservatives who supported the Nazis in the 30s.

It was conservatives who largely support fascist sympathizers like Father Coughlin.

It was conservatives to supported the business plot.

It is and was conservatives who largely support the idea of an ethnostate.

It is conservatives who routinely fly Nazi flags at various right wing rallies.

It is conservatives who support modern day fascists like Erdogan or Viktor Orban.

The usual way that conservatives try to hide from this history is by pointing to more libertarians forms of conservatism and ignoring the authoritarian forms of it. Both forms of conservatism exist.

So, the bolded uses inconsistent tenses, the italicized uses the wrong word (who), the underlined should be hyphenated, and the strikethrough incorrectly pluralizes the modifying adjective of forms. You're an idiot, and you probably shouldn't post anymore until your grammar is perfect.
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#76

(12-14-2024, 02:09 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-13-2024, 11:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: And I guess nazis is plural if you only see it as a pejorative to be slung at your opponents, but the fact of the matter is that is' an acronym. (Na)tionalSo(zi)alistische, which stands for National Socialist party. I noticed you forgot that bolded part in your mischaracterization of the American right.

Wrong.

Nazi Germany was very far from socialism, as was Fascist Italy, even though Mussolini started out as a socialist. In both cases, the super-rich went right on maintaining private super-riches. Nobody took away private capitalist ownership and nobody provided socialized medicine, government welfare for the disabled and destitute, etc., in the manner of even social democracy. The Nazis were big on families or individuals pulling up their own bootstraps.

Quote:Associating NAZI's with conservatives is the dumbest trick brainiacs ever believed.

Look. The number one rule when liberals are attempting to understand information is to ask yourself the question, "Compared to what?" When we look at Germany, there was a communist threat, where the left was aggregating state power, promising to make all things equal, and attempting to replace German identity with a universal identity. The people didn't like it, so they said if we're going to use state power, let's use it to quash this new threat and maintain German identity. However, they replaced any right wing, individualist principles to defeat the immediate and pressing threat which was the communists. The adopted LEFTIST ideas and values to do so, making them far, far left of your average American

This is definitely not a good summary of historical political development in Germany after WWI up to the Nazi regime. Go review a reasonable textbook on it.

Quote:Now, if you want to say history is repeating itself, go ahead. I was warning about this in 2016 when Trump was running for the first time. I've always said there's a real threat of fascism with Trump. That's because the idiots keep letting our leftists move too far to the left. The only way to defeat that power is with state power.

And let me be even more clear, since it's easy to get this confused. When I used right wing in the example above, it was in a modern US colloquial way. Right in the US is still left.

Right in the US isn't still left. Right in the US means that there are men on the web even now who complain about women having the right to vote! Right means people like Trump sometimes appeal by saying they want to get rid of all income tax and all environmental regulations. Hello federal bankruptcy and hello tons of sewer sludge being openly dumped in the rivers and lakes and bays.

Go read a book? Great comeback, Einstein. 

I am much more generous and fair to you than I really need to be. It's becoming a waste of time, though. I'll let the trolls feed the trolls.
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#77
(This post was last modified: 12-14-2024, 07:48 PM by TDOSS.)

(12-14-2024, 07:19 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 09:26 AM)TDOSS Wrote: It was conservatives who supported the Nazis in the 30s.

It was conservatives who largely support fascist sympathizers like Father Coughlin.

It was conservatives to supported the business plot.

It is and was conservatives who largely support the idea of an ethnostate.

It is conservatives who routinely fly Nazi flags at various right wing rallies.

It is conservatives who support modern day fascists like Erdogan or Viktor Orban.

The usual way that conservatives try to hide from this history is by pointing to more libertarians forms of conservatism and ignoring the authoritarian forms of it. Both forms of conservatism exist.

So, the bolded uses inconsistent tenses, the italicized uses the wrong word (who), the underlined should be hyphenated, and the strikethrough incorrectly pluralizes the modifying adjective of forms. You're an idiot, and you probably shouldn't post anymore until your grammar is perfect.

You tried.

(12-14-2024, 07:32 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 02:09 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Wrong.

Nazi Germany was very far from socialism, as was Fascist Italy, even though Mussolini started out as a socialist. In both cases, the super-rich went right on maintaining private super-riches. Nobody took away private capitalist ownership and nobody provided socialized medicine, government welfare for the disabled and destitute, etc., in the manner of even social democracy. The Nazis were big on families or individuals pulling up their own bootstraps.


This is definitely not a good summary of historical political development in Germany after WWI up to the Nazi regime. Go review a reasonable textbook on it.


Right in the US isn't still left. Right in the US means that there are men on the web even now who complain about women having the right to vote! Right means people like Trump sometimes appeal by saying they want to get rid of all income tax and all environmental regulations. Hello federal bankruptcy and hello tons of sewer sludge being openly dumped in the rivers and lakes and bays.

Go read a book? Great comeback, Einstein. 

I am much more generous and fair to you than I really need to be. It's becoming a waste of time, though. I'll let the trolls feed the trolls.

Nice deflection.

Care to address the other part?
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#78

Nope. Your grammar sucks.
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#79

(12-14-2024, 08:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Nope. Your grammar sucks.

You didn’t have a good retort for the grammar nazi joke and obviously took it seriously.

Back to the topic, are you not going to engage in a conversation that you thought you were so accurate on? 

Didn't expect much either.
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#80

Man, y'all letting Doofy act like his posting is legitimate? Just laugh at him like Mikesez and move on. Otherwise he'll keep pretending his posts have meaning.
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