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#81

(12-20-2024, 03:41 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 12:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:  Taxing wealth would mean the government would have to hire tens of thousands of appraisers, and tens of thousands of lawyers, because rich people would hire their own appraisers, and fight the appraisals in court.  
No, it doesn't. Ask Norway, Spain, France, Italy, and other countries with wealth taxes.

How about we ask all 50 states that have property taxes?
Property taxes are about the simplest form of wealth tax you can imagine.  There are not very many transactions and therefore the movement of the market is not very complicated, at least compared to other markets. Yet every year every state has multiple tax assessment cases make it up to their highest courts.
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#82

(12-20-2024, 03:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 03:41 PM)TDOSS Wrote: No, it doesn't. Ask Norway, Spain, France, Italy, and other countries with wealth taxes.

No, we're not going to our inferiors and dependants for policy advice.

Your wrong opinions aside, his statement has nothing to do with the incorrect statements of corrected. 'A wealth tax can't practically be implemented' is a different topic than your opinions of countries.

But like with every post you have no interest in discussions so you just troll threads.
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#83

(12-20-2024, 06:58 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 03:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: No, we're not going to our inferiors and dependants for policy advice.

Your wrong opinions aside, his statement has nothing to do with the incorrect statements of corrected. 'A wealth tax can't practically be implemented' is a different topic than your opinions of countries.

But like with every post you have no interest in discussions so you just troll threads.

Nah, I just tweak the actual trolls like you and Mikesez. Because it's easy. And funny. And I enjoy it.
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#84

(12-20-2024, 08:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 06:58 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Your wrong opinions aside, his statement has nothing to do with the incorrect statements of corrected. 'A wealth tax can't practically be implemented' is a different topic than your opinions of countries.

But like with every post you have no interest in discussions so you just troll threads.

Nah, I just tweak the actual trolls like you and Mikesez. Because it's easy. And funny. And I enjoy it.

Yeah but that's not what moderators are supposed to do.
I can be moderator if you don't want to anymore.
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#85

(12-20-2024, 10:11 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 08:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Nah, I just tweak the actual trolls like you and Mikesez. Because it's easy. And funny. And I enjoy it.

Yeah but that's not what moderators are supposed to do.
I can be moderator if you don't want to anymore.

lololol
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#86

(12-20-2024, 10:11 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 08:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Nah, I just tweak the actual trolls like you and Mikesez. Because it's easy. And funny. And I enjoy it.

Yeah but that's not what moderators are supposed to do.
I can be moderator if you don't want to anymore.

You don't have the Constitution to be a moderator, you'd ban people like yourself the first day then cry about how mean they were to you.
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#87

(12-20-2024, 03:41 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 12:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:  Taxing wealth would mean the government would have to hire tens of thousands of appraisers, and tens of thousands of lawyers, because rich people would hire their own appraisers, and fight the appraisals in court.  
No, it doesn't. Ask Norway, Spain, France, Italy, and other countries with wealth taxes.

Why Europe Axed Its Wealth Taxes | Cato Institute

More than a dozen European countries used to have wealth taxes, but nearly all of these countries repealed them, including Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Sweden. Wealth taxes survive only in Norway, Spain, and Switzerland.

Yet for little revenue, wealth taxes are difficult to administer and enforce. They may require taxpayers to report the values of financial securities, homes, furniture, artwork, jewelry, antiques, vehicles, boats, pension rights, family businesses, farm assets, land, intellectual property, and much else. But owners do not know the market values of many assets, and values change over time, so costly wealth-tax compliance would only make accountants wealthy.
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#88
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2024, 10:02 AM by TDOSS. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-21-2024, 09:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-20-2024, 03:41 PM)TDOSS Wrote: No, it doesn't. Ask Norway, Spain, France, Italy, and other countries with wealth taxes.

Why Europe Axed Its Wealth Taxes | Cato Institute

More than a dozen European countries used to have wealth taxes, but nearly all of these countries repealed them, including Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Sweden. Wealth taxes survive only in Norway, Spain, and Switzerland.

Yet for little revenue, wealth taxes are difficult to administer and enforce. They may require taxpayers to report the values of financial securities, homes, furniture, artwork, jewelry, antiques, vehicles, boats, pension rights, family businesses, farm assets, land, intellectual property, and much else. But owners do not know the market values of many assets, and values change over time, so costly wealth-tax compliance would only make accountants wealthy.

You claimed wealth taxes cannot be implemented. I showed they not only can but have been in many countries. You did not respond to those facts, you tried to change the topic to there being some challenges and some countries repealing the taxes. 

That's not honest discussion.

Your source also looks wrong. Mine said some countries had moved to wealth taxes on certain types of wealth; your source claims they abolished the tax entirely. Your claim was that a wealth tax isn't practical to have. I showed countries have it (and many more than you listed). Discussing problems with the tax is another topic. The US could have a wealth tax, and it's not socialism, another point you did not respond to.
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#89

We're not interested in other ways for the government to confiscate wealth, we're interested in shrinking the government to its proper size and scope. You can bleat all you want about tax systems but they are immaterial. We're going to cut the government, I only pray it's an amputation rather than just Liposuction. Either way DOGE is already working out just fine and The Potato is still technically in office. It must be terrible for you to contemplate the future when Trump is actually in office, but have no fear,, we'll be here to laugh at you all the way through it.
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#90

(12-21-2024, 10:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: We're not interested in other ways for the government to confiscate wealth, we're interested in shrinking the government to its proper size and scope. You can bleat all you want about tax systems but they are immaterial. We're going to cut the government, I only pray it's an amputation rather than just Liposuction. Either way DOGE is already working out just fine and The Potato is still technically in office. It must be terrible for you to contemplate the future when Trump is actually in office, but have no fear,, we'll be here to laugh at you all the way through it.

You speak only for yourself, but you use the royal we. And then you turn around and call me pretentious.
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#91

(12-21-2024, 10:48 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 10:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: We're not interested in other ways for the government to confiscate wealth, we're interested in shrinking the government to its proper size and scope. You can bleat all you want about tax systems but they are immaterial. We're going to cut the government, I only pray it's an amputation rather than just Liposuction. Either way DOGE is already working out just fine and The Potato is still technically in office. It must be terrible for you to contemplate the future when Trump is actually in office, but have no fear,, we'll be here to laugh at you all the way through it.

You speak only for yourself, but you use the royal we. And then you turn around and call me pretentious.

Topic moves away from Mikeypoo and here he is dragging it right back to him again. Shocking I tell you…not.
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#92

(12-21-2024, 10:52 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 10:48 AM)mikesez Wrote: You speak only for yourself, but you use the royal we. And then you turn around and call me pretentious.

Topic moves away from Mikeypoo and here he is dragging it right back to him again. Shocking I tell you…not.

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#93
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2024, 11:41 AM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-21-2024, 10:52 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 10:48 AM)mikesez Wrote: You speak only for yourself, but you use the royal we. And then you turn around and call me pretentious.

Topic moves away from Mikeypoo and here he is dragging it right back to him again. Shocking I tell you…not.

Yeah usually it's not me but sometimes it is.  FSG has been super spicy lately so I'm just following Mod's lead.

Anyhow the topic is FSG, not me.
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#94

(12-21-2024, 11:38 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 10:52 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: Topic moves away from Mikeypoo and here he is dragging it right back to him again. Shocking I tell you…not.

Yeah usually it's not me but sometimes it is.  FSG has been super spicy lately so I'm just following Mod's lead.

Anyhow the topic is FSG, not me.

You will never become a mod, so you can stop campaigning.  Banana
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#95

(12-21-2024, 12:01 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 11:38 AM)mikesez Wrote: Yeah usually it's not me but sometimes it is.  FSG has been super spicy lately so I'm just following Mod's lead.

Anyhow the topic is FSG, not me.

You will never become a mod, so you can stop campaigning.  Banana

Thank you.
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#96
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2024, 01:03 PM by mikesez.)

(12-21-2024, 12:01 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 11:38 AM)mikesez Wrote: Yeah usually it's not me but sometimes it is.  FSG has been super spicy lately so I'm just following Mod's lead.

Anyhow the topic is FSG, not me.

You will never become a mod, so you can stop campaigning.  Banana

Well then stop blaming me for the way this board is. Or admit that you actually enjoy it!
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#97
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2024, 01:11 PM by TDOSS. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-21-2024, 10:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: We're not interested in other ways for the government to confiscate wealth, we're interested in shrinking the government to its proper size and scope. 

Those are the statements of someone with a fanatic right-wing indoctrination. The 'Ayn Rand was too liberal' type.

Quote:You can bleat all you want about tax systems

Beautiful. This is the way you respond when you clearly do not know how to read.
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#98

(12-21-2024, 10:00 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 09:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Why Europe Axed Its Wealth Taxes | Cato Institute

More than a dozen European countries used to have wealth taxes, but nearly all of these countries repealed them, including Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Sweden. Wealth taxes survive only in Norway, Spain, and Switzerland.

Yet for little revenue, wealth taxes are difficult to administer and enforce. They may require taxpayers to report the values of financial securities, homes, furniture, artwork, jewelry, antiques, vehicles, boats, pension rights, family businesses, farm assets, land, intellectual property, and much else. But owners do not know the market values of many assets, and values change over time, so costly wealth-tax compliance would only make accountants wealthy.

You claimed wealth taxes cannot be implemented. I showed they not only can but have been in many countries. You did not respond to those facts, you tried to change the topic to there being some challenges and some countries repealing the taxes. 

That's not honest discussion.

Your source also looks wrong. Mine said some countries had moved to wealth taxes on certain types of wealth; your source claims they abolished the tax entirely. Your claim was that a wealth tax isn't practical to have. I showed countries have it (and many more than you listed). Discussing problems with the tax is another topic. The US could have a wealth tax, and it's not socialism, another point you did not respond to.

Some states have taxes on investments that are closer to being a wealth tax.  But they are small and the trend is to repealing them. The juice is barely worth the squeeze.

I suppose if there was a government that wanted to get a huge share of its revenue from such a tax they might figure out the details and make it work. It just seems unlikely. 

There's also the question of if the federal government has the authority to tax something other than income without apportionment among the states.  

We are going to be an income tax based federal government until the next revolution, may it never come.  The game is going to continue to be about categories of income, brackets, marginal rates, etc.

Maybe one day the average message board commenter will understand how marginal rates work, but I digress.
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#99

(12-21-2024, 01:03 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 12:01 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: You will never become a mod, so you can stop campaigning.  Banana

Well then stop blaming me for the way this board is. Or admit that you actually enjoy it!

No and No. Whine some more.
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(12-21-2024, 08:08 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 01:03 PM)mikesez Wrote: Well then stop blaming me for the way this board is. Or admit that you actually enjoy it!

No and No. Whine some more.

See? I knew you enjoyed this. At least one of us is getting something out of this!
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