Have you ever chided Winger or Drifter or FSG for not understanding what it's like to be poor?

Hey dip [BLEEP], why do you assume any of us don't KNOW what it's like?

Please tell me about your experiences being on government assistance.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I think once Trump gets down to the last of the illegals, it would be a nice touch for him to exclaim “UNO!”

LOL this post makes the most sense of all the post in this string!!!

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

What in the actual hell are you talking about?

Have you ever chided Winger or Drifter or FSG for not understanding what it's like to be poor?

They don't presume to be the 'smartest guy in the room' while speaking of things they've never experienced as if they are speaking facts. 

So the answer to your question is, no. 

Do they sometimes go off on tangents I don't quite understand or agree with? You betcha, but it's a tangent. I don't need to understand it and unless it's something very specific I'm not going to argue the point with them. 

There is plenty you say that I disagree with and I don't argue with you about it. If I do, consider it a compliment.

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The problem is he speaks about things he knows nothing about. It's one thing to learn about a subject because you've read about it and quite another thing to know about it because you've lived it. Perspective through life experience goes a long way in having an accurate view of things. 

Mike's problem is he learns a lot of things he talks about but has not experienced much of it to actually know what he's actually talking about. 

Learning and knowing are not the same thing.

Typical RW poster: Democrats waste our money on bums! Public housing is a waste of money!

Me: It's not great but it's better than letting them live on the street!

Americus: You've never had to live in section 8 housing, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Me: But I don't think you're a bum and I don't call people bums for living in government housing.  He does!

Americus: You don't know.  Learning from reading and knowing from life are not the same thing.  

Me: Sure, but typical RW poster doesn't know what it's like to need government assistance either. And he wants to cut it!

Americus: Yeah but I think he's cool and I just don't like you.

Further proof that, no matter what their situation in life, no matter how much they have in common, Gen Xers will just never think Millennials are cool.  

It's OK. I'm not here to be liked.

Mission accomplished.

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What in the actual hell are you talking about?

Himself obviously. It's the only reason he's here.

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The false things that you've assumed to be true could fill a library.

It's mot my fault you act like a 16 year old girl.

Please don’t insult 16 year old girls!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Hey dip [BLEEP], why do you assume any of us don't KNOW what it's like?

Please tell me about your experiences being on government assistance.

My parents were just barely upper lower class in Manatee and Samoset, formerly blue collar towns now rundown neighborhoods of Bradenton. In my childhood my dad worked for Publix, PET dairy, and then construction. My parents divorced when I was 12 but before that we always lived somewhere a few blocks around the Tropicana plant where my mother worked. In my first 5 years of life we moved about 6 times, in the mid-70s some kind of housing assistance program started that my dad qualified for, I don't remember the name of it, but it got us enough for a 2 bedroom house adjacent to the Rogers Project off 13th Avenue and 1st Street. My life was fine as a kid, but I grew up with and went to school with the kids from the Projects, and those kids had it terrible. The crime waves of the 70s ruined the projects then the drug problems of the 80s ruined the people. Our neighbors, the Ruby family, were Cuban expats and my best friend's dad ran a small market that created my love of their culture and food. The Mixon family across the street ran a donut shop, Spudnut, that made potato-based donuts. I grew up with families fighting to stay above that poverty line, and for the most part (not always) they succeeded, but my "experiences" with being on government assistance are close and real. We had food stamps from time to time, hell, I remember when the government cheese thing happened but I don't remember details other than we got this massive block of processed cheese every month. It was like a 5 pound rectangular block of imitation Velveeta imitation cheese that came in a brown cardboard box stamped "government cheese", lol. If you'd care to see what that life looked like, check out 1709 6th Ave E and 2508 5th Street E in Bradenton, those are the two addresses I remember my grandparents and parents had when I was a kid. I spent my middle and high school years in the 5th street house and walked to Southeast High about 15 blocks away. The houses are still there, though my parents never let them look like they do now. So yeah, I know poor buddy, I've lived it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I think once Trump gets down to the last of the illegals, it would be a nice touch for him to exclaim “UNO!”

LOL this post makes the most sense of all the post in this string!!!

Adios amigo!

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Hey dip [BLEEP], why do you assume any of us don't KNOW what it's like?

Please tell me about your experiences being on government assistance.

Why do you assume that everyone who is poor is on government assistance?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Please tell me about your experiences being on government assistance.

My parents were just barely upper lower class in Manatee and Samoset, formerly blue collar towns now rundown neighborhoods of Bradenton. In my childhood my dad worked for Publix, PET dairy, and then construction. My parents divorced when I was 12 but before that we always lived somewhere a few blocks around the Tropicana plant where my mother worked. In my first 5 years of life we moved about 6 times, in the mid-70s some kind of housing assistance program started that my dad qualified for, I don't remember the name of it, but it got us enough for a 2 bedroom house adjacent to the Rogers Project off 13th Avenue and 1st Street. My life was fine as a kid, but I grew up with and went to school with the kids from the Projects, and those kids had it terrible. The crime waves of the 70s ruined the projects then the drug problems of the 80s ruined the people. Our neighbors, the Ruby family, were Cuban expats and my best friend's dad ran a small market that created my love of their culture and food. The Mixon family across the street ran a donut shop, Spudnut, that made potato-based donuts. I grew up with families fighting to stay above that poverty line, and for the most part (not always) they succeeded, but my "experiences" with being on government assistance are close and real. We had food stamps from time to time, hell, I remember when the government cheese thing happened but I don't remember details other than we got this massive block of processed cheese every month. It was like a 5 pound rectangular block of imitation Velveeta imitation cheese that came in a brown cardboard box stamped "government cheese", lol. If you'd care to see what that life looked like, check out 1709 6th Ave E and 2508 5th Street E in Bradenton, those are the two addresses I remember my grandparents and parents had when I was a kid. I spent my middle and high school years in the 5th street house and walked to Southeast High about 15 blocks away. The houses are still there, though my parents never let them look like they do now. So yeah, I know poor buddy, I've lived it.

This is a good post.
We need more posts like this.  
What do you think your youth would have been like if not for government assistance (for your family) and projects (like the ones your classmates lived in)?

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LOL this post makes the most sense of all the post in this string!!!

Adios amigo!

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Please tell me about your experiences being on government assistance.

Why do you assume that everyone who is poor is on government assistance?

I definitely don't.  I already said most illegal immigrants don't receive it, and most of them are poor.

More to the point, I'm trying to start a conversation about government assistance, not poverty in general.  I'm allowed to try to steer conversations without being accused of assuming things about people.  Stop playing gotcha with me, homie.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

My parents were just barely upper lower class in Manatee and Samoset, formerly blue collar towns now rundown neighborhoods of Bradenton. In my childhood my dad worked for Publix, PET dairy, and then construction. My parents divorced when I was 12 but before that we always lived somewhere a few blocks around the Tropicana plant where my mother worked. In my first 5 years of life we moved about 6 times, in the mid-70s some kind of housing assistance program started that my dad qualified for, I don't remember the name of it, but it got us enough for a 2 bedroom house adjacent to the Rogers Project off 13th Avenue and 1st Street. My life was fine as a kid, but I grew up with and went to school with the kids from the Projects, and those kids had it terrible. The crime waves of the 70s ruined the projects then the drug problems of the 80s ruined the people. Our neighbors, the Ruby family, were Cuban expats and my best friend's dad ran a small market that created my love of their culture and food. The Mixon family across the street ran a donut shop, Spudnut, that made potato-based donuts. I grew up with families fighting to stay above that poverty line, and for the most part (not always) they succeeded, but my "experiences" with being on government assistance are close and real. We had food stamps from time to time, hell, I remember when the government cheese thing happened but I don't remember details other than we got this massive block of processed cheese every month. It was like a 5 pound rectangular block of imitation Velveeta imitation cheese that came in a brown cardboard box stamped "government cheese", lol. If you'd care to see what that life looked like, check out 1709 6th Ave E and 2508 5th Street E in Bradenton, those are the two addresses I remember my grandparents and parents had when I was a kid. I spent my middle and high school years in the 5th street house and walked to Southeast High about 15 blocks away. The houses are still there, though my parents never let them look like they do now. So yeah, I know poor buddy, I've lived it.

This is a good post.
We need more posts like this.  
What do you think your youth would have been like if not for government assistance (for your family) and projects (like the ones your classmates lived in)?

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Adios amigo!

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Why do you assume that everyone who is poor is on government assistance?

I definitely don't.  I already said most illegal immigrants don't receive it, and most of them are poor.

More to the point, I'm trying to start a conversation about government assistance, not poverty in general.  I'm allowed to try to steer conversations without being accused of assuming things about people.  Stop playing gotcha with me, homie.

I know what life was like before the projects, Bradenton still shows the marks of segregation even now. My grandparents, and even my parents to some extent, still refer to parts of town as "the quarters", the ramshackle neighborhoods where black people lived without lights or running water. For those people the projects were a Godsend, and that was just in the 1960s. Now 50 years after that those Godsends are Hell on Earth.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

My parents were just barely upper lower class in Manatee and Samoset, formerly blue collar towns now rundown neighborhoods of Bradenton. In my childhood my dad worked for Publix, PET dairy, and then construction. My parents divorced when I was 12 but before that we always lived somewhere a few blocks around the Tropicana plant where my mother worked. In my first 5 years of life we moved about 6 times, in the mid-70s some kind of housing assistance program started that my dad qualified for, I don't remember the name of it, but it got us enough for a 2 bedroom house adjacent to the Rogers Project off 13th Avenue and 1st Street. My life was fine as a kid, but I grew up with and went to school with the kids from the Projects, and those kids had it terrible. The crime waves of the 70s ruined the projects then the drug problems of the 80s ruined the people. Our neighbors, the Ruby family, were Cuban expats and my best friend's dad ran a small market that created my love of their culture and food. The Mixon family across the street ran a donut shop, Spudnut, that made potato-based donuts. I grew up with families fighting to stay above that poverty line, and for the most part (not always) they succeeded, but my "experiences" with being on government assistance are close and real. We had food stamps from time to time, hell, I remember when the government cheese thing happened but I don't remember details other than we got this massive block of processed cheese every month. It was like a 5 pound rectangular block of imitation Velveeta imitation cheese that came in a brown cardboard box stamped "government cheese", lol. If you'd care to see what that life looked like, check out 1709 6th Ave E and 2508 5th Street E in Bradenton, those are the two addresses I remember my grandparents and parents had when I was a kid. I spent my middle and high school years in the 5th street house and walked to Southeast High about 15 blocks away. The houses are still there, though my parents never let them look like they do now. So yeah, I know poor buddy, I've lived it.

This is a good post.
We need more posts like this.  
What do you think your youth would have been like if not for government assistance (for your family) and projects (like the ones your classmates lived in)?

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Adios amigo!

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Why do you assume that everyone who is poor is on government assistance?

I definitely don't.  I already said most illegal immigrants don't receive it, and most of them are poor.

More to the point, I'm trying to start a conversation about government assistance, not poverty in general.  I'm allowed to try to steer conversations without being accused of assuming things about people.  Stop playing gotcha with me, homie.

Then start a conversation about the subject. Start a thread specific to the topic and say want you want to discuss. All you do is assume things/state things as fact that you don't actually know about and steer things in a direction not always congruent to the conversation and it makes you sound disingenuous. Just state what you want to discuss and if people want to talk about it they will.

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This is a good post.
We need more posts like this.  
What do you think your youth would have been like if not for government assistance (for your family) and projects (like the ones your classmates lived in)?

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I definitely don't.  I already said most illegal immigrants don't receive it, and most of them are poor.

More to the point, I'm trying to start a conversation about government assistance, not poverty in general.  I'm allowed to try to steer conversations without being accused of assuming things about people.  Stop playing gotcha with me, homie.

Then start a conversation about the subject. Start a thread specific to the topic and say want you want to discuss. All you do is assume things/state things as fact that you don't actually know about and steer things in a direction not always congruent to the conversation and it makes you sound disingenuous. Just state what you want to discuss and if people want to talk about it they will.

I appreciate the feedback, but this is the politics forum.  Government actions are the main thing we talk about.  If we are talking about the economy in general we are almost always trying to make a point about "is the government doing a good job?"  Similarly, if we talk about poverty, usually we are trying to make a point "is government assistance working?"

The way I see it, you take conversations about government, and try to steer them into conversations about your personal experiences which I don't share. So you steer things too. I don't mind, I just feel like you've got a double standard.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Here's why we need these mass deportation.......

Suspect accused of burning woman to death on NYC subway is previously deported illegal immigrant
The suspect, a migrant from Guatemala, was deported in 2018, according to DHS sources

The migrant from Guatemala who was arrested in connection to the heinous death of a woman set on fire and burned to death on a subway train in Brooklyn, New York, on Sunday was previously deported.

Sebastin Zapeta, 33, was arrested by Border Patrol on June 1, 2018, after he crossed illegally into Sonoita, Arizona, and was deported by the Trump administration just days later on June 7, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesperson Marie Ferguson told Fox News.

Ferguson added that Zapeta then re-entered the U.S. illegally "on an unknown date and location."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-accus...wz3ufy2dgw

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Please tell me about your experiences being on government assistance.

My parents were just barely upper lower class in Manatee and Samoset, formerly blue collar towns now rundown neighborhoods of Bradenton. In my childhood my dad worked for Publix, PET dairy, and then construction. My parents divorced when I was 12 but before that we always lived somewhere a few blocks around the Tropicana plant where my mother worked. In my first 5 years of life we moved about 6 times, in the mid-70s some kind of housing assistance program started that my dad qualified for, I don't remember the name of it, but it got us enough for a 2 bedroom house adjacent to the Rogers Project off 13th Avenue and 1st Street. My life was fine as a kid, but I grew up with and went to school with the kids from the Projects, and those kids had it terrible. The crime waves of the 70s ruined the projects then the drug problems of the 80s ruined the people. Our neighbors, the Ruby family, were Cuban expats and my best friend's dad ran a small market that created my love of their culture and food. The Mixon family across the street ran a donut shop, Spudnut, that made potato-based donuts. I grew up with families fighting to stay above that poverty line, and for the most part (not always) they succeeded, but my "experiences" with being on government assistance are close and real. We had food stamps from time to time, hell, I remember when the government cheese thing happened but I don't remember details other than we got this massive block of processed cheese every month. It was like a 5 pound rectangular block of imitation Velveeta imitation cheese that came in a brown cardboard box stamped "government cheese", lol. If you'd care to see what that life looked like, check out 1709 6th Ave E and 2508 5th Street E in Bradenton, those are the two addresses I remember my grandparents and parents had when I was a kid. I spent my middle and high school years in the 5th street house and walked to Southeast High about 15 blocks away. The houses are still there, though my parents never let them look like they do now. So yeah, I know poor buddy, I've lived it.

That is good. You will be ready to face the economic hardships that President Musk has promised us then. Good luck with those.

https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1869...1_&ref_url=

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My parents were just barely upper lower class in Manatee and Samoset, formerly blue collar towns now rundown neighborhoods of Bradenton. In my childhood my dad worked for Publix, PET dairy, and then construction. My parents divorced when I was 12 but before that we always lived somewhere a few blocks around the Tropicana plant where my mother worked. In my first 5 years of life we moved about 6 times, in the mid-70s some kind of housing assistance program started that my dad qualified for, I don't remember the name of it, but it got us enough for a 2 bedroom house adjacent to the Rogers Project off 13th Avenue and 1st Street. My life was fine as a kid, but I grew up with and went to school with the kids from the Projects, and those kids had it terrible. The crime waves of the 70s ruined the projects then the drug problems of the 80s ruined the people. Our neighbors, the Ruby family, were Cuban expats and my best friend's dad ran a small market that created my love of their culture and food. The Mixon family across the street ran a donut shop, Spudnut, that made potato-based donuts. I grew up with families fighting to stay above that poverty line, and for the most part (not always) they succeeded, but my "experiences" with being on government assistance are close and real. We had food stamps from time to time, hell, I remember when the government cheese thing happened but I don't remember details other than we got this massive block of processed cheese every month. It was like a 5 pound rectangular block of imitation Velveeta imitation cheese that came in a brown cardboard box stamped "government cheese", lol. If you'd care to see what that life looked like, check out 1709 6th Ave E and 2508 5th Street E in Bradenton, those are the two addresses I remember my grandparents and parents had when I was a kid. I spent my middle and high school years in the 5th street house and walked to Southeast High about 15 blocks away. The houses are still there, though my parents never let them look like they do now. So yeah, I know poor buddy, I've lived it.

That is good. You will be ready to face the economic hardships that President Musk has promised us then. Good luck with those.

https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1869...1_&ref_url=

I'll be fine, I'm a 1%'r now. Unlike you I was actually able to make something of myself.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

That is good. You will be ready to face the economic hardships that President Musk has promised us then. Good luck with those.

https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1869...1_&ref_url=

I'll be fine, I'm a 1%'r now. Unlike you I was actually able to make something of myself.

Isn't that special.......Bill Gates is a liberal you know. Most of Musks billions come from taxpayers to the Federal Govt. Is that where you got your money too?

But in other ways, virtually all of his net worth can be pinned to government help. Tesla and SpaceX got started – and survived their early days – with assistance from state and federal policies, government contracts and loans.

“The foundation for Musk’s financial success has been the US government,” said Daniel Ives, tech analyst for Wedbush Securities.

And the value of Tesla and SpaceX doesn’t come from their profits so far.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/20/business/...index.html

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Here's why we need these mass deportation.......

Suspect accused of burning woman to death on NYC subway is previously deported illegal immigrant
The suspect, a migrant from Guatemala, was deported in 2018, according to DHS sources

The migrant from Guatemala who was arrested in connection to the heinous death of a woman set on fire and burned to death on a subway train in Brooklyn, New York, on Sunday was previously deported.

Sebastin Zapeta, 33, was arrested by Border Patrol on June 1, 2018, after he crossed illegally into Sonoita, Arizona, and was deported by the Trump administration just days later on June 7, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesperson Marie Ferguson told Fox News.

Ferguson added that Zapeta then re-entered the U.S. illegally "on an unknown date and location."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-accus...wz3ufy2dgw

What if the person he set alight was also an illegal.

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CCL Stroudcrowd1

Here's why we need these mass deportation.......

Suspect accused of burning woman to death on NYC subway is previously deported illegal immigrant
The suspect, a migrant from Guatemala, was deported in 2018, according to DHS sources

The migrant from Guatemala who was arrested in connection to the heinous death of a woman set on fire and burned to death on a subway train in Brooklyn, New York, on Sunday was previously deported.

Sebastin Zapeta, 33, was arrested by Border Patrol on June 1, 2018, after he crossed illegally into Sonoita, Arizona, and was deported by the Trump administration just days later on June 7, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesperson Marie Ferguson told Fox News.

Ferguson added that Zapeta then re-entered the U.S. illegally "on an unknown date and location."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-accus...wz3ufy2dgw

What if the person he set alight was also an illegal.

That's a win, win in my book. 

Or, as the illegals like to say.

"Eso es ganar, ganar".

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I'll be fine, I'm a 1%'r now. Unlike you I was actually able to make something of myself.

Isn't that special.......Bill Gates is a liberal you know. Most of Musks billions come from taxpayers to the Federal Govt. Is that where you got your money too?

But in other ways, virtually all of his net worth can be pinned to government help. Tesla and SpaceX got started – and survived their early days – with assistance from state and federal policies, government contracts and loans.

“The foundation for Musk’s financial success has been the US government,” said Daniel Ives, tech analyst for Wedbush Securities.

And the value of Tesla and SpaceX doesn’t come from their profits so far.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/20/business/...index.html

Nah, I just invested all my paychecks from moderating the message boards so well.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

That is good. You will be ready to face the economic hardships that President Musk has promised us then. Good luck with those.

https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1869...1_&ref_url=

I'll be fine, I'm a 1%'r now. Unlike you I was actually able to make something of myself.

I also made it to the 1% of wealth.
Marrying well, working and eating ramen while getting my state school degrees, and having cheap taste in cars really helped.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I'll be fine, I'm a 1%'r now. Unlike you I was actually able to make something of myself.

I also made it to the 1% of wealth.
Marrying well, working and eating ramen while getting my state school degrees, and having cheap taste in cars really helped.

It's almost like if you plan and work hard you can succeed in this country.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

What if the person he set alight was also an illegal.

That's a win, win in my book. 

Or, as the illegals like to say.

"Eso es ganar, ganar".

Would you deport an illegal Patriot?

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CCL Stroudcrowd1