I think the biggest problem Trevor has is something that would give any QB problems: 2nd and 12.  Running plays that lose yards.  Inability to run for a first down on 3rd and 2.  Plus a defense that can't stop the other team. 

I'm tired of making this Jaguars team all about Trevor.  Build a team, and Trevor will be fine.

I've been screaming it since 2021. 

Fix the damn line. 

Trevor has a few things to sort besides protection issues, but protection and solid to good run game would make the improvements he needs to make 1000% easier. 

Obviously the OL is only one piece of the puzzle you allude to - but it has been a consistently missing piece during the QB's short career thus far.

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I think the biggest problem Trevor has is something that would give any QB problems: 2nd and 12.  Running plays that lose yards.  Inability to run for a first down on 3rd and 2.  Plus a defense that can't stop the other team. 

I'm tired of making this Jaguars team all about Trevor.  Build a team, and Trevor will be fine.

I've been screaming it since 2021. 

Fix the damn line. 

Trevor has a few things to sort besides protection issues, but protection and solid to good run game would make the improvements he needs to make 1000% easier. 

Obviously the OL is only one piece of the puzzle you allude to - but it has been a consistently missing piece during the QB's short career thus far.

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing people say "we need a coach that can get Trevor to the next level," or "we need a coach that can get the best out of Trevor."  Build a good team and Trevor will be great.  We see it all the time.  Bad QB goes to good team and magically becomes a good QB.  Sam Darnold, for example.  We need to stop asking Trevor to lift the whole team.  "But an elite QB can lift the whole team."  That's nonsense.  It's no coincidence that almost every "great" QB happens to be playing on a great team.

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I've been screaming it since 2021. 

Fix the damn line. 

Trevor has a few things to sort besides protection issues, but protection and solid to good run game would make the improvements he needs to make 1000% easier. 

Obviously the OL is only one piece of the puzzle you allude to - but it has been a consistently missing piece during the QB's short career thus far.

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing people say "we need a coach that can get Trevor to the next level," or "we need a coach that can get the best out of Trevor."  Build a good team and Trevor will be great.  We see it all the time.  Bad QB goes to good team and magically becomes a good QB.  Sam Darnold, for example.  We need to stop asking Trevor to lift the whole team.  "But an elite QB can lift the whole team."  That's nonsense.  It's no coincidence that almost every "great" QB happens to be playing on a great team.

Exactly. I made this argument in the Trevor thread. You don't expect a QB to make everyone around him great. You surround them with good players and they all become great. Manning had Harrison, Brady had Moss, Gronk, Walker, Mahomes had Hill and Kelce. 

This idea that a QB should overcome all obstacles AND elevate the roster and talent of players is absurd. No one player can do all that.

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I've been screaming it since 2021. 

Fix the damn line. 

Trevor has a few things to sort besides protection issues, but protection and solid to good run game would make the improvements he needs to make 1000% easier. 

Obviously the OL is only one piece of the puzzle you allude to - but it has been a consistently missing piece during the QB's short career thus far.

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing people say "we need a coach that can get Trevor to the next level," or "we need a coach that can get the best out of Trevor."  Build a good team and Trevor will be great.  We see it all the time.  Bad QB goes to good team and magically becomes a good QB.  Sam Darnold, for example.  We need to stop asking Trevor to lift the whole team.  "But an elite QB can lift the whole team."  That's nonsense.  It's no coincidence that almost every "great" QB happens to be playing on a great team.

I do believe that Doug Pederson did in fact squander some of Trevor's talent in more ways than just putting him behind a bad OL. 

So - I'd like to see an offensive mind come in that will implement a better system for him to grow within. Yes the pieces around him need help too. 
Not too much to ask for both IMO. 
The team around him makes a huge difference, but scheme can elevate his play as well. 

It is well documented how many low percentage throws were asked of Trevor in 2023/2024 in Doug's scheme. 
The next guy needs to have a better plan that doesn't put him in that situation so often.

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Yeah, I'm tired of hearing people say "we need a coach that can get Trevor to the next level," or "we need a coach that can get the best out of Trevor."  Build a good team and Trevor will be great.  We see it all the time.  Bad QB goes to good team and magically becomes a good QB.  Sam Darnold, for example.  We need to stop asking Trevor to lift the whole team.  "But an elite QB can lift the whole team."  That's nonsense.  It's no coincidence that almost every "great" QB happens to be playing on a great team.

I do believe that Doug Pederson did in fact squander some of Trevor's talent in more ways than just putting him behind a bad OL. 

So - I'd like to see an offensive mind come in that will implement a better system for him to grow within. Yes the pieces around him need help too. 
Not too much to ask for both IMO. 
The team around him makes a huge difference, but scheme can elevate his play as well. 

It is well documented how many low percentage throws were asked of Trevor in 2023/2024 in Doug's scheme. 
The next guy needs to have a better plan that doesn't put him in that situation so often.

That plays a part, but much more important than that was the fact the we were behind so often, unable to stop the other team from controlling the ball and scoring points, and unable to run the ball as effectively as we should have, and that put the entire onus of winning and losing on the QB.  Think how much easier it is to play QB if you not trying to catch up all the time.  Or if you can run the ball effectively on 3rd and short.   All those down the field low percentage throws would get so much easier.

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Yeah, I'm tired of hearing people say "we need a coach that can get Trevor to the next level," or "we need a coach that can get the best out of Trevor."  Build a good team and Trevor will be great.  We see it all the time.  Bad QB goes to good team and magically becomes a good QB.  Sam Darnold, for example.  We need to stop asking Trevor to lift the whole team.  "But an elite QB can lift the whole team."  That's nonsense.  It's no coincidence that almost every "great" QB happens to be playing on a great team.

Exactly. I made this argument in the Trevor thread. You don't expect a QB to make everyone around him great. You surround them with good players and they all become great. Manning had Harrison, Brady had Moss, Gronk, Walker, Mahomes had Hill and Kelce. 

This idea that a QB should overcome all obstacles AND elevate the roster and talent of players is absurd. No one player can do all that.

There's a balance to both of the above points.  If you're only expecting the QB to perform when he has a great team around him you're getting into Brock Purdy/game manager territory.  It's perfectly reasonable to expect your #1 overall pick to elevate the team around him.  How much or little is a subject for debate.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Exactly. I made this argument in the Trevor thread. You don't expect a QB to make everyone around him great. You surround them with good players and they all become great. Manning had Harrison, Brady had Moss, Gronk, Walker, Mahomes had Hill and Kelce. 

This idea that a QB should overcome all obstacles AND elevate the roster and talent of players is absurd. No one player can do all that.

There's a balance to both of the above points.  If you're only expecting the QB to perform when he has a great team around him you're getting into Brock Purdy/game manager territory.  It's perfectly reasonable to expect your #1 overall pick to elevate the team around him.  How much or little is a subject for debate.

Sam Darnold is in the running for MVP, and it's not because he elevated the Vikings.  They elevated him.

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Exactly. I made this argument in the Trevor thread. You don't expect a QB to make everyone around him great. You surround them with good players and they all become great. Manning had Harrison, Brady had Moss, Gronk, Walker, Mahomes had Hill and Kelce. 

This idea that a QB should overcome all obstacles AND elevate the roster and talent of players is absurd. No one player can do all that.

There's a balance to both of the above points.  If you're only expecting the QB to perform when he has a great team around him you're getting into Brock Purdy/game manager territory.  It's perfectly reasonable to expect your #1 overall pick to elevate the team around him.  How much or little is a subject for debate.

Yea that's the thing. Trevor DID elevate the players around him because they're pretty trash when he doesn't play (outside of BTJ).

Kirk had a career year. Engram with a career year. Zay with a career year. The running game looked better.

Trevor has a bottom 5 team in the league.

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There's a balance to both of the above points.  If you're only expecting the QB to perform when he has a great team around him you're getting into Brock Purdy/game manager territory.  It's perfectly reasonable to expect your #1 overall pick to elevate the team around him.  How much or little is a subject for debate.

Yea that's the thing. Trevor DID elevate the players around him because they're pretty trash when he doesn't play (outside of BTJ).

Kirk had a career year. Engram with a career year. Zay with a career year. The running game looked better.

Trevor has a bottom 5 team in the league.

Yep, the QB gets all the blame for how bad the other 21 guys are.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yea that's the thing. Trevor DID elevate the players around him because they're pretty trash when he doesn't play (outside of BTJ).

Kirk had a career year. Engram with a career year. Zay with a career year. The running game looked better.

Trevor has a bottom 5 team in the league.

Yep, the QB gets all the blame for how bad the other 21 guys are.

See that is the narrative I am talking about.

It is a complete double standard:

ETN Fumbles:>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Kirk misses a should be TD catch >>>>>>>>> We blame him
Lloyd misses a tackle>>>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Cisco gets beat down the middle>>>>> We blame Him

Then we got to Trevor and oh man the excuses pile up:

Trevor Throws it 3 yards over the receivers head>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid receiver he should jump higher
Trevor throws a 100mph fast ball to a receiver 3 yards away and the receiver drops it>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence dropped it right in his hands, stupid receiver.  (for those who do not know there is an art called touch on the football) Every great QB understands this and thats why you do not see the good ones throwing 300mph fastballs from less than 5 yards away
Trevor Misses wide open Receivers so bad the in game announcers are calling him out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Play Calling
Trevor takes a bad sack or safety after holding the ball more than 3 seconds in the pocket against a blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid offensive line can't pass block

We can keep going on but you get the point.

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Yep, the QB gets all the blame for how bad the other 21 guys are.

See that is the narrative I am talking about.

It is a complete double standard:

ETN Fumbles:>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Kirk misses a should be TD catch >>>>>>>>> We blame him
Lloyd misses a tackle>>>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Cisco gets beat down the middle>>>>> We blame Him

Then we got to Trevor and oh man the excuses pile up:

Trevor Throws it 3 yards over the receivers head>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid receiver he should jump higher
Trevor throws a 100mph fast ball to a receiver 3 yards away and the receiver drops it>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence dropped it right in his hands, stupid receiver.  (for those who do not know there is an art called touch on the football) Every great QB understands this and thats why you do not see the good ones throwing 300mph fastballs from less than 5 yards away
Trevor Misses wide open Receivers so bad the in game announcers are calling him out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Play Calling
Trevor takes a bad sack or safety after holding the ball more than 3 seconds in the pocket against a blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid offensive line can't pass block

We can keep going on but you get the point.

Trevor hits guy in the hands = You: Stupid Trevor
Trevor hits guy in the facemask = You: Stupid Trevor
Trevor throws where the receiver should be but isn't = You: Stupid Trevor

We get it, the point is on top of your head.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

See that is the narrative I am talking about.

It is a complete double standard:

ETN Fumbles:>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Kirk misses a should be TD catch >>>>>>>>> We blame him
Lloyd misses a tackle>>>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Cisco gets beat down the middle>>>>> We blame Him

Then we got to Trevor and oh man the excuses pile up:

Trevor Throws it 3 yards over the receivers head>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid receiver he should jump higher
Trevor throws a 100mph fast ball to a receiver 3 yards away and the receiver drops it>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence dropped it right in his hands, stupid receiver.  (for those who do not know there is an art called touch on the football) Every great QB understands this and thats why you do not see the good ones throwing 300mph fastballs from less than 5 yards away
Trevor Misses wide open Receivers so bad the in game announcers are calling him out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Play Calling
Trevor takes a bad sack or safety after holding the ball more than 3 seconds in the pocket against a blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid offensive line can't pass block

We can keep going on but you get the point.

Trevor hits guy in the hands = You: Stupid Trevor
Trevor hits guy in the facemask = You: Stupid Trevor
Trevor throws where the receiver should be but isn't = You: Stupid Trevor

We get it, the point is on top of your head.

His hyperbolic straw men are only exceeded by his flair for the dramatics

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Yep, the QB gets all the blame for how bad the other 21 guys are.

See that is the narrative I am talking about.

It is a complete double standard:

ETN Fumbles:>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Kirk misses a should be TD catch >>>>>>>>> We blame him
Lloyd misses a tackle>>>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Cisco gets beat down the middle>>>>> We blame Him

Then we got to Trevor and oh man the excuses pile up:

Trevor Throws it 3 yards over the receivers head>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid receiver he should jump higher
Trevor throws a 100mph fast ball to a receiver 3 yards away and the receiver drops it>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence dropped it right in his hands, stupid receiver.  (for those who do not know there is an art called touch on the football) Every great QB understands this and thats why you do not see the good ones throwing 300mph fastballs from less than 5 yards away
Trevor Misses wide open Receivers so bad the in game announcers are calling him out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Play Calling
Trevor takes a bad sack or safety after holding the ball more than 3 seconds in the pocket against a blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid offensive line can't pass block

We can keep going on but you get the point.

Everyone that roots for Trevor can also see that he makes bonehead plays.

We can see he rushes his passes sometimes.  We can see he overthrows quite a bit.   Hell...he's thrown 4 INTs in one half of football.   I've been watching football since 78 and I'd never seen that before.

The Jags are still fortunate enough to not have to worry about whether or not they can win with him at QB if the rest of the team isn't bad to horrible.

Fact= The Jags aren't getting a better QB than Trevor Lawrence to lead them.   Get that in your head.

The rest of the team needs to be improved (coaching, scheme, DEFENSE ).

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Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

See that is the narrative I am talking about.

It is a complete double standard:

ETN Fumbles:>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Kirk misses a should be TD catch >>>>>>>>> We blame him
Lloyd misses a tackle>>>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Cisco gets beat down the middle>>>>> We blame Him

Then we got to Trevor and oh man the excuses pile up:

Trevor Throws it 3 yards over the receivers head>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid receiver he should jump higher
Trevor throws a 100mph fast ball to a receiver 3 yards away and the receiver drops it>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence dropped it right in his hands, stupid receiver.  (for those who do not know there is an art called touch on the football) Every great QB understands this and thats why you do not see the good ones throwing 300mph fastballs from less than 5 yards away
Trevor Misses wide open Receivers so bad the in game announcers are calling him out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Play Calling
Trevor takes a bad sack or safety after holding the ball more than 3 seconds in the pocket against a blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid offensive line can't pass block

We can keep going on but you get the point.

Trevor hits guy in the hands = You: Stupid Trevor
Trevor hits guy in the facemask = You: Stupid Trevor
Trevor throws where the receiver should be but isn't = You: Stupid Trevor

We get it, the point is on top of your head.

And that's basically his Trevor argument for me. Even us 'Trevor lovers', we never once say he's above criticism. We all agree there are areas he can improve but not every single thing is somehow his fault.

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Yep, the QB gets all the blame for how bad the other 21 guys are.

See that is the narrative I am talking about.

It is a complete double standard:

ETN Fumbles:>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Kirk misses a should be TD catch >>>>>>>>> We blame him
Lloyd misses a tackle>>>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Cisco gets beat down the middle>>>>> We blame Him

Then we got to Trevor and oh man the excuses pile up:

Trevor Throws it 3 yards over the receivers head>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid receiver he should jump higher
Trevor throws a 100mph fast ball to a receiver 3 yards away and the receiver drops it>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence dropped it right in his hands, stupid receiver.  (for those who do not know there is an art called touch on the football) Every great QB understands this and thats why you do not see the good ones throwing 300mph fastballs from less than 5 yards away
Trevor Misses wide open Receivers so bad the in game announcers are calling him out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Play Calling
Trevor takes a bad sack or safety after holding the ball more than 3 seconds in the pocket against a blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid offensive line can't pass block

We can keep going on but you get the point.

Trevor gets blame when the blame is due. Yes, he misses a throw. When he hits a dude in the hands and it ends up on the turf, that's not him, no matter how badly you want it to be.

He's been guilty of playing hero ball and taking bad shots. He's missed open guys. But far too often there are other factors that are contributing. Either we're scrambling to make up a ten-point spot that we gave the other team by starting out miserably, or he's running for his life because the center missed a block, or it's 3rd and 14 because of a dumb penalty or a pair of crap run calls beforehand.

When ETN is in the open field and the DB punches the ball out, it's not like there are a lot of other factors influencing the outcome. When ETN gets stuffed behind the line, how often do you hear us criticizing ETN for not changing his course, or reacting to the blown block?
When Lloyd is struggling to cover a slot receiver, we're probably calling out the coach who schemed him into that hole. If he bites on a fake, again, that's solely him and his coaches prepping him for that fake (or not prepping).
When Cisco is out of position, yeah, either he's failed, the coach failed, or the rest of the team failed to account for his error and back him up.

You make it like Trevor is Bort, bouncing passes off of players' cleats, or Gabbert wilting the moment he hears a DE's breath. We call Trevor out plenty when he brainfarts a play. But some here are predisposed to think that the QB is operating on an island, and that all of the bad is a direct result of his inability. There's plenty of context. He's not perfect, and not one on this board would say he is. But if you can't see that every bit of his game is an uphill climb against poor coaching, poor blocking, broke down receivers, well, good luck finding anyone else who can do any better in that situation.

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See that is the narrative I am talking about.

It is a complete double standard:

ETN Fumbles:>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Kirk misses a should be TD catch >>>>>>>>> We blame him
Lloyd misses a tackle>>>>>>>>>>>> We blame him
Cisco gets beat down the middle>>>>> We blame Him

Then we got to Trevor and oh man the excuses pile up:

Trevor Throws it 3 yards over the receivers head>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid receiver he should jump higher
Trevor throws a 100mph fast ball to a receiver 3 yards away and the receiver drops it>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence dropped it right in his hands, stupid receiver.  (for those who do not know there is an art called touch on the football) Every great QB understands this and thats why you do not see the good ones throwing 300mph fastballs from less than 5 yards away
Trevor Misses wide open Receivers so bad the in game announcers are calling him out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Play Calling
Trevor takes a bad sack or safety after holding the ball more than 3 seconds in the pocket against a blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid offensive line can't pass block

We can keep going on but you get the point.

Trevor gets blame when the blame is due. Yes, he misses a throw. When he hits a dude in the hands and it ends up on the turf, that's not him, no matter how badly you want it to be.

He's been guilty of playing hero ball and taking bad shots. He's missed open guys. But far too often there are other factors that are contributing. Either we're scrambling to make up a ten-point spot that we gave the other team by starting out miserably, or he's running for his life because the center missed a block, or it's 3rd and 14 because of a dumb penalty or a pair of crap run calls beforehand.

When ETN is in the open field and the DB punches the ball out, it's not like there are a lot of other factors influencing the outcome. When ETN gets stuffed behind the line, how often do you hear us criticizing ETN for not changing his course, or reacting to the blown block?
When Lloyd is struggling to cover a slot receiver, we're probably calling out the coach who schemed him into that hole. If he bites on a fake, again, that's solely him and his coaches prepping him for that fake (or not prepping).
When Cisco is out of position, yeah, either he's failed, the coach failed, or the rest of the team failed to account for his error and back him up.

You make it like Trevor is Bort, bouncing passes off of players' cleats, or Gabbert wilting the moment he hears a DE's breath. We call Trevor out plenty when he brainfarts a play. But some here are predisposed to think that the QB is operating on an island, and that all of the bad is a direct result of his inability. There's plenty of context. He's not perfect, and not one on this board would say he is. But if you can't see that every bit of his game is an uphill climb against poor coaching, poor blocking, broke down receivers, well, good luck finding anyone else who can do any better in that situation.

I just do not think Trevor is anywhere near as good as some of you think he is.  I feel bamboozled by all the hype and success he had at lower levels.  I already stated this team would be a playoff caliber team if we had just a good QB not even an elite one this year.  This division is awful and should of been a slam dunk to win it. Right now the team has a contact that makes us tied to him.  My only hope is we get a Coordinator in here that can really work with him and fix his game.  Doug was suppose to be a Qb whisperer so i do no know if he can be fixed.  Right now all we can do is put on the seat belt and get ready for the ride.   I am not alone with my view of Trevor Lawrence. Most of the NFL's talking heads would not call Lawrence good let alone elite.  The only thing that will shut me up is his play on the field and  he starts playing like the #1 pick.  Some will just make excuses no matter how bad his play is.   There is no point of keep discussing it because nothing is going to change until the next season.

The crazy thing is this thread started by what the Jaguar Great Leon Searcy said and naturally the Trevor Lawrence defense force hopped down my throat. I would trust Searcy's opinion who played in the NFL at a high level than anyone's on this message board.

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Trevor gets blame when the blame is due. Yes, he misses a throw. When he hits a dude in the hands and it ends up on the turf, that's not him, no matter how badly you want it to be.

He's been guilty of playing hero ball and taking bad shots. He's missed open guys. But far too often there are other factors that are contributing. Either we're scrambling to make up a ten-point spot that we gave the other team by starting out miserably, or he's running for his life because the center missed a block, or it's 3rd and 14 because of a dumb penalty or a pair of crap run calls beforehand.

When ETN is in the open field and the DB punches the ball out, it's not like there are a lot of other factors influencing the outcome. When ETN gets stuffed behind the line, how often do you hear us criticizing ETN for not changing his course, or reacting to the blown block?
When Lloyd is struggling to cover a slot receiver, we're probably calling out the coach who schemed him into that hole. If he bites on a fake, again, that's solely him and his coaches prepping him for that fake (or not prepping).
When Cisco is out of position, yeah, either he's failed, the coach failed, or the rest of the team failed to account for his error and back him up.

You make it like Trevor is Bort, bouncing passes off of players' cleats, or Gabbert wilting the moment he hears a DE's breath. We call Trevor out plenty when he brainfarts a play. But some here are predisposed to think that the QB is operating on an island, and that all of the bad is a direct result of his inability. There's plenty of context. He's not perfect, and not one on this board would say he is. But if you can't see that every bit of his game is an uphill climb against poor coaching, poor blocking, broke down receivers, well, good luck finding anyone else who can do any better in that situation.

I just do not think Trevor is anywhere near as good as some of you think he is.  I feel bamboozled by all the hype and success he had at lower levels.  I already stated this team would be a playoff caliber team if we had just a good QB not even an elite one this year.  This division is awful and should of been a slam dunk to win it. Right now the team has a contact that makes us tied to him.  My only hope is we get a Coordinator in here that can really work with him and fix his game.  Doug was suppose to be a Qb whisperer so i do no know if he can be fixed.  Right now all we can do is put on the seat belt and get ready for the ride.   I am not alone with my view of Trevor Lawrence. Most of the NFL's talking heads would not call Lawrence good let alone elite.  The only thing that will shut me up is his play on the field and  he starts playing like the #1 pick.  Some will just make excuses no matter how bad his play is.   There is no point of keep discussing it because nothing is going to change until the next season.

The crazy thing is this thread started by what the Jaguar Great Leon Searcy said and naturally the Trevor Lawrence defense force hopped down my throat.  I would trust Searcy's opinion who played in the NFL at a high level than anyone's on this message board.

Whaaaaaaaat?  I want some of what you’re smoking.

The funny thing is that because ONE former Jaguar satisfies your opinion that no other former players opinions matter.  You’re ridiculous.

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Trevor gets blame when the blame is due. Yes, he misses a throw. When he hits a dude in the hands and it ends up on the turf, that's not him, no matter how badly you want it to be.

He's been guilty of playing hero ball and taking bad shots. He's missed open guys. But far too often there are other factors that are contributing. Either we're scrambling to make up a ten-point spot that we gave the other team by starting out miserably, or he's running for his life because the center missed a block, or it's 3rd and 14 because of a dumb penalty or a pair of crap run calls beforehand.

When ETN is in the open field and the DB punches the ball out, it's not like there are a lot of other factors influencing the outcome. When ETN gets stuffed behind the line, how often do you hear us criticizing ETN for not changing his course, or reacting to the blown block?
When Lloyd is struggling to cover a slot receiver, we're probably calling out the coach who schemed him into that hole. If he bites on a fake, again, that's solely him and his coaches prepping him for that fake (or not prepping).
When Cisco is out of position, yeah, either he's failed, the coach failed, or the rest of the team failed to account for his error and back him up.

You make it like Trevor is Bort, bouncing passes off of players' cleats, or Gabbert wilting the moment he hears a DE's breath. We call Trevor out plenty when he brainfarts a play. But some here are predisposed to think that the QB is operating on an island, and that all of the bad is a direct result of his inability. There's plenty of context. He's not perfect, and not one on this board would say he is. But if you can't see that every bit of his game is an uphill climb against poor coaching, poor blocking, broke down receivers, well, good luck finding anyone else who can do any better in that situation.

I just do not think Trevor is anywhere near as good as some of you think he is.  I feel bamboozled by all the hype and success he had at lower levels.  I already stated this team would be a playoff caliber team if we had just a good QB not even an elite one this year.  This division is awful and should of been a slam dunk to win it. Right now the team has a contact that makes us tied to him.  My only hope is we get a Coordinator in here that can really work with him and fix his game.  Doug was suppose to be a Qb whisperer so i do no know if he can be fixed.  Right now all we can do is put on the seat belt and get ready for the ride.   I am not alone with my view of Trevor Lawrence. Most of the NFL's talking heads would not call Lawrence good let alone elite.  The only thing that will shut me up is his play on the field and  he starts playing like the #1 pick.  Some will just make excuses no matter how bad his play is.   There is no point of keep discussing it because nothing is going to change until the next season.

The crazy thing is this thread started by what the Jaguar Great Leon Searcy said and naturally the Trevor Lawrence defense force hopped down my throat.  I would trust Searcy's opinion who played in the NFL at a high level than anyone's on this message board.

And what if Tony Boselli, who played at a higher level than Leon Searcy, said the opposite?  Would his opinion trump Leon Searcy's?

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I just do not think Trevor is anywhere near as good as some of you think he is.  I feel bamboozled by all the hype and success he had at lower levels.  I already stated this team would be a playoff caliber team if we had just a good QB not even an elite one this year.  This division is awful and should of been a slam dunk to win it. Right now the team has a contact that makes us tied to him.  My only hope is we get a Coordinator in here that can really work with him and fix his game.  Doug was suppose to be a Qb whisperer so i do no know if he can be fixed.  Right now all we can do is put on the seat belt and get ready for the ride.   I am not alone with my view of Trevor Lawrence. Most of the NFL's talking heads would not call Lawrence good let alone elite.  The only thing that will shut me up is his play on the field and  he starts playing like the #1 pick.  Some will just make excuses no matter how bad his play is.   There is no point of keep discussing it because nothing is going to change until the next season.

The crazy thing is this thread started by what the Jaguar Great Leon Searcy said and naturally the Trevor Lawrence defense force hopped down my throat.  I would trust Searcy's opinion who played in the NFL at a high level than anyone's on this message board.

And what if Tony Boselli, who played at a higher level than Leon Searcy, said the opposite?  Would his opinion trump Leon Searcy's?

Even Sunshine Pumping Boselli has cooled on Lawrence a bit.  I love Boselli but everyone knows he is a biased homer.

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And what if Tony Boselli, who played at a higher level than Leon Searcy, said the opposite?  Would his opinion trump Leon Searcy's?

Even Sunshine Pumping Boselli has cooled on Lawrence a bit.  I love Boselli but everyone knows he is a biased homer.

So only negative opinions that agree with yours matter?  There's a word for that.

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