These videos are fun to watch for NFL fans and thanks for sharing, but his primary "why" was the Maason Smith pick and then later mentioned "countless" bad picks and "limiting which coaches would take a HC job here".  I disagree on the drive by "countless" bad picks remark and it remains to be seen whether Baalke's presence will really prevent the Jags from landing their top preference at HC.  He went on a lengthy discourse about Maason Smith who didn't show up until the end of the season and held him up against Fiske who had a good rookie campaign as his primary "why".  I just don't destroy a player or the GM who selected him based on the player's rookie year.  Way too early for that.  Anything you get out of a rookie is gravy in my eyes.  Expectations coming in should be low though.  His primary "why" from what can be discerned without inside knowledge of the internal politics within the building should have been the free agent class from last year which he made no mention of.

This commenter's video, though well produced, comes off as someone whose source is the echo chamber of social media.  He also mentioned how attractive the Jacksonville situation is which as I've mentioned previously is actually a compliment to the person or people currently responsible for making it such.  Obviously much of that is regarding already having your QB in Trevor, but some of that would have to also be the rest of the roster which Baalke should get some credit for.

Hehe, and so it begins...  

By June of this year, everyone will be back on the Baalke train predicting a 12 win season.

They'll be lucky to win five games in 2025. If he manages to lure Ben Johnson down here, I'll be a bit more modest. They'll be lucky to win seven games. That schedule is not easy, even now, before free agency and the draft, those teams on that schedule already have a very good upward trajectory, are set at the QB position and they have an established identity and defense to work with.

This team is far away from being a divisional winner. I remember everybody got excited about the defensive line last year before training camp started based on how it looked on paper. I was skeptical then. I will continue to remain skeptical until I am given a reason not to be. Our depth is bad. When you get beyond the twenty-two starters on this team, there's a lot to be desired.

We're not deep enough as a team to compete with the middle of the pack of the NFL right now. Based on how the AFC South has been playing patty-cake over the last four years. It wouldn't surprise me if the tacks drafted Cam Ward and won it with 10 games in 2025. It wouldn't surprise me if the clots won it with 9 games in 2025.

Baalke should have been fired this week. It's a shame really. I would have just kept Doug Pederson onboard as well. Let him ride it out with Baalke's contract. That's what I don't get about Khan. He gave Bradley way too much time and then he gets somewhat of a consistent winner, because, I'll be fair here. Doug went 9 - 8, 9 - 8 and then it all fell apart in year three for him.

Maybe you should have given him the mulligan. We might come to regret it now. Especially if you can't lure a guy like Ben Johnson down here. If the best we can do is Brian Flores? That's fine. I'll take it. I was somewhat high on Flores now since around October I think. It's also realistic because of his history and the fact that Baalke has a history and nobody with actual talent or leverage as potential head coach would want to come here. 

So, we'll see. They just need a lot of work though. The secondary is really bad. Even with Campbell. It feels like all four positions should be looked at on the backend. I think the linebacking room is questionable now. We obviously have holes up front and no pass rush rotation. That's a massive [BLEEP] problem, and, the fact that Khan doesn't see anything wrong with that, KNOWING, Baalke played a hand in this defense financially is bothersome.

The offense. Again, running game regressed, the passing game had nobody outside of Brian Thomas Jr. really as a viable threat that could consistently move the needle. This team is not going to magically turn it around in one off season. I just don't see it. Hard to build new culture and shape a new identity when you have the short version of The Tall Man from Phantasm lurking around every corner.

What should have been the deciding factor for Khan is the immediate success of Harbaugh with the Chargers. Think about it. This is the same coach, that, built a pretty respectable team in San Francisco with Baalke in the building and he was ran off due to ego. That team fell apart when he left for Michigan and it took them awhile to rebuild with Lynch and Shanahan. Baalke failed miserably after Harbaugh was ran off. Harbaugh's very same approach to the game that he had over a decade ago is the same approach he has now with the Chargers and that was the difference there. Not Baalke.

Yet another pivotal off season with a gift of a QB handed to this franchise being pissed away because Khan is too chicken [BLEEP] to actually put in the work and time to find a new front office and team builder. It's [BLEEP] pathetic. He's going to let this [BLEEP] clown, linger, ONCE AGAIN, and pull a final farewell [BLEEP] you the way that Dave Caldwell did when he blundered two first round picks in the same draft class.

You watch. Baalke will draft an okay player as a rookie, while we see two or three immediate impact players drafted after his decision is made. We do not have the luxury of waiting until year two, year three to see if his decision was the right one or not. Just stupid...

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Hehe, and so it begins...  

By June of this year, everyone will be back on the Baalke train predicting a 12 win season.

They'll be lucky to win five games in 2025. If he manages to lure Ben Johnson down here, I'll be a bit more modest. They'll be lucky to win seven games. That schedule is not easy, even now, before free agency and the draft, those teams on that schedule already have a very good upward trajectory, are set at the QB position and they have an established identity and defense to work with.

This team is far away from being a divisional winner. I remember everybody got excited about the defensive line last year before training camp started based on how it looked on paper. I was skeptical then. I will continue to remain skeptical until I am given a reason not to be. Our depth is bad. When you get beyond the twenty-two starters on this team, there's a lot to be desired.

We're not deep enough as a team to compete with the middle of the pack of the NFL right now. Based on how the AFC South has been playing patty-cake over the last four years. It wouldn't surprise me if the tacks drafted Cam Ward and won it with 10 games in 2025. It wouldn't surprise me if the clots won it with 9 games in 2025.

Baalke should have been fired this week. It's a shame really. I would have just kept Doug Pederson onboard as well. Let him ride it out with Baalke's contract. That's what I don't get about Khan. He gave Bradley way too much time and then he gets somewhat of a consistent winner, because, I'll be fair here. Doug went 9 - 8, 9 - 8 and then it all fell apart in year three for him.

Maybe you should have given him the mulligan. We might come to regret it now. Especially if you can't lure a guy like Ben Johnson down here. If the best we can do is Brian Flores? That's fine. I'll take it. I was somewhat high on Flores now since around October I think. It's also realistic because of his history and the fact that Baalke has a history and nobody with actual talent or leverage as potential head coach would want to come here. 

So, we'll see. They just need a lot of work though. The secondary is really bad. Even with Campbell. It feels like all four positions should be looked at on the backend. I think the linebacking room is questionable now. We obviously have holes up front and no pass rush rotation. That's a massive [BLEEP] problem, and, the fact that Khan doesn't see anything wrong with that, KNOWING, Baalke played a hand in this defense financially is bothersome.

The offense. Again, running game regressed, the passing game had nobody outside of Brian Thomas Jr. really as a viable threat that could consistently move the needle. This team is not going to magically turn it around in one off season. I just don't see it. Hard to build new culture and shape a new identity when you have the short version of The Tall Man from Phantasm lurking around every corner.

What should have been the deciding factor for Khan is the immediate success of Harbaugh with the Chargers. Think about it. This is the same coach, that, built a pretty respectable team in San Francisco with Baalke in the building and he was ran off due to ego. That team fell apart when he left for Michigan and it took them awhile to rebuild with Lynch and Shanahan. Baalke failed miserably after Harbaugh was ran off. Harbaugh's very same approach to the game that he had over a decade ago is the same approach he has now with the Chargers and that was the difference there. Not Baalke.

Yet another pivotal off season with a gift of a QB handed to this franchise being pissed away because Khan is too chicken [BLEEP] to actually put in the work and time to find a new front office and team builder. It's [BLEEP] pathetic. He's going to let this [BLEEP] clown, linger, ONCE AGAIN, and pull a final farewell [BLEEP] you the way that Dave Caldwell did when he blundered two first round picks in the same draft class.

You watch. Baalke will draft an okay player as a rookie, while we see two or three immediate impact players drafted after his decision is made. We do not have the luxury of waiting until year two, year three to see if his decision was the right one or not. Just stupid...

the 1% see  the real outcome..

the media and dumnb [BLEEP] fans - 99%

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Hehe, and so it begins...  

By June of this year, everyone will be back on the Baalke train predicting a 12 win season.

They'll be lucky to win five games in 2025. If he manages to lure Ben Johnson down here, I'll be a bit more modest. They'll be lucky to win seven games. That schedule is not easy, even now, before free agency and the draft, those teams on that schedule already have a very good upward trajectory, are set at the QB position and they have an established identity and defense to work with.

This team is far away from being a divisional winner. I remember everybody got excited about the defensive line last year before training camp started based on how it looked on paper. I was skeptical then. I will continue to remain skeptical until I am given a reason not to be. Our depth is bad. When you get beyond the twenty-two starters on this team, there's a lot to be desired.

We're not deep enough as a team to compete with the middle of the pack of the NFL right now. Based on how the AFC South has been playing patty-cake over the last four years. It wouldn't surprise me if the tacks drafted Cam Ward and won it with 10 games in 2025. It wouldn't surprise me if the clots won it with 9 games in 2025.

Baalke should have been fired this week. It's a shame really. I would have just kept Doug Pederson onboard as well. Let him ride it out with Baalke's contract. That's what I don't get about Khan. He gave Bradley way too much time and then he gets somewhat of a consistent winner, because, I'll be fair here. Doug went 9 - 8, 9 - 8 and then it all fell apart in year three for him.

Maybe you should have given him the mulligan. We might come to regret it now. Especially if you can't lure a guy like Ben Johnson down here. If the best we can do is Brian Flores? That's fine. I'll take it. I was somewhat high on Flores now since around October I think. It's also realistic because of his history and the fact that Baalke has a history and nobody with actual talent or leverage as potential head coach would want to come here. 

So, we'll see. They just need a lot of work though. The secondary is really bad. Even with Campbell. It feels like all four positions should be looked at on the backend. I think the linebacking room is questionable now. We obviously have holes up front and no pass rush rotation. That's a massive [BLEEP] problem, and, the fact that Khan doesn't see anything wrong with that, KNOWING, Baalke played a hand in this defense financially is bothersome.

The offense. Again, running game regressed, the passing game had nobody outside of Brian Thomas Jr. really as a viable threat that could consistently move the needle. This team is not going to magically turn it around in one off season. I just don't see it. Hard to build new culture and shape a new identity when you have the short version of The Tall Man from Phantasm lurking around every corner.

What should have been the deciding factor for Khan is the immediate success of Harbaugh with the Chargers. Think about it. This is the same coach, that, built a pretty respectable team in San Francisco with Baalke in the building and he was ran off due to ego. That team fell apart when he left for Michigan and it took them awhile to rebuild with Lynch and Shanahan. Baalke failed miserably after Harbaugh was ran off. Harbaugh's very same approach to the game that he had over a decade ago is the same approach he has now with the Chargers and that was the difference there. Not Baalke.

Yet another pivotal off season with a gift of a QB handed to this franchise being pissed away because Khan is too chicken [BLEEP] to actually put in the work and time to find a new front office and team builder. It's [BLEEP] pathetic. He's going to let this [BLEEP] clown, linger, ONCE AGAIN, and pull a final farewell [BLEEP] you the way that Dave Caldwell did when he blundered two first round picks in the same draft class.

You watch. Baalke will draft an okay player as a rookie, while we see two or three immediate impact players drafted after his decision is made. We do not have the luxury of waiting until year two, year three to see if his decision was the right one or not. Just stupid...

It fell apart in year TWO

primarily because Trent and Doug tried to cobble together a roster from the outside in instead of the right way.

No trenches got your QB hurt 5 times and IR'd


No trenches saw your run D give up 142 per game on the ground in the 5 losses that killed the season

Also - how is it not clear to everyone from that presser that Doug heavily influenced the picks and acquisitions and the new HC will too?

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They'll be lucky to win five games in 2025. If he manages to lure Ben Johnson down here, I'll be a bit more modest. They'll be lucky to win seven games. That schedule is not easy, even now, before free agency and the draft, those teams on that schedule already have a very good upward trajectory, are set at the QB position and they have an established identity and defense to work with.

This team is far away from being a divisional winner. I remember everybody got excited about the defensive line last year before training camp started based on how it looked on paper. I was skeptical then. I will continue to remain skeptical until I am given a reason not to be. Our depth is bad. When you get beyond the twenty-two starters on this team, there's a lot to be desired.

We're not deep enough as a team to compete with the middle of the pack of the NFL right now. Based on how the AFC South has been playing patty-cake over the last four years. It wouldn't surprise me if the tacks drafted Cam Ward and won it with 10 games in 2025. It wouldn't surprise me if the clots won it with 9 games in 2025.

Baalke should have been fired this week. It's a shame really. I would have just kept Doug Pederson onboard as well. Let him ride it out with Baalke's contract. That's what I don't get about Khan. He gave Bradley way too much time and then he gets somewhat of a consistent winner, because, I'll be fair here. Doug went 9 - 8, 9 - 8 and then it all fell apart in year three for him.

Maybe you should have given him the mulligan. We might come to regret it now. Especially if you can't lure a guy like Ben Johnson down here. If the best we can do is Brian Flores? That's fine. I'll take it. I was somewhat high on Flores now since around October I think. It's also realistic because of his history and the fact that Baalke has a history and nobody with actual talent or leverage as potential head coach would want to come here. 

So, we'll see. They just need a lot of work though. The secondary is really bad. Even with Campbell. It feels like all four positions should be looked at on the backend. I think the linebacking room is questionable now. We obviously have holes up front and no pass rush rotation. That's a massive [BLEEP] problem, and, the fact that Khan doesn't see anything wrong with that, KNOWING, Baalke played a hand in this defense financially is bothersome.

The offense. Again, running game regressed, the passing game had nobody outside of Brian Thomas Jr. really as a viable threat that could consistently move the needle. This team is not going to magically turn it around in one off season. I just don't see it. Hard to build new culture and shape a new identity when you have the short version of The Tall Man from Phantasm lurking around every corner.

What should have been the deciding factor for Khan is the immediate success of Harbaugh with the Chargers. Think about it. This is the same coach, that, built a pretty respectable team in San Francisco with Baalke in the building and he was ran off due to ego. That team fell apart when he left for Michigan and it took them awhile to rebuild with Lynch and Shanahan. Baalke failed miserably after Harbaugh was ran off. Harbaugh's very same approach to the game that he had over a decade ago is the same approach he has now with the Chargers and that was the difference there. Not Baalke.

Yet another pivotal off season with a gift of a QB handed to this franchise being pissed away because Khan is too chicken [BLEEP] to actually put in the work and time to find a new front office and team builder. It's [BLEEP] pathetic. He's going to let this [BLEEP] clown, linger, ONCE AGAIN, and pull a final farewell [BLEEP] you the way that Dave Caldwell did when he blundered two first round picks in the same draft class.

You watch. Baalke will draft an okay player as a rookie, while we see two or three immediate impact players drafted after his decision is made. We do not have the luxury of waiting until year two, year three to see if his decision was the right one or not. Just stupid...

It fell apart in year TWO

primarily because Trent and Doug tried to cobble together a roster from the outside in instead of the right way.

No trenches got your QB hurt 5 times and IR'd


No trenches saw your run D give up 142 per game on the ground in the 5 losses that killed the season

Also - how is it not clear to everyone from that presser that Doug heavily influenced the picks and acquisitions and the new HC will too?

This still doesn't change the fact, that, Baalke has a negative reputation with everybody else around the NFL and it has a hindering effect on potentially hiring the best possible candidate to fix this football team. And, again, we don't know the full extent of how things operate in that building between the coaching staff and the general manager. The only thing we can probably pinpoint as to why Doug got fired was because of his lingering loyalty that he carried down from Philadelphia with his coaching staff.

That's what got him canned. It seems like Khan wanted Doug to run the offense as a play caller and he insisted Press Taylor do it and it wasn't good enough. Here's my other problem as well, with this thought process above, alright? Baalke's been here now when Marrone was in the building with Caldwell, then Meyer, then Pederson and now this next coaching staff. He's the common denominator at this point.

Did it ever occur to Khan that maybe he does need to throw the baby out with the bath water and get a new regime in here that understands each other completely? It makes a night and day difference. Even the conversations are different. The approach is different. The familiarity and comfort is different. Insisting Baalke upon a fresh new face is just annoying. At this point I can only assume it's just out of spite because Khan is so desperate to be the guy that can stand up on the highest point of the Kismet and tell everybody:

"See, you know, [BLEEP] YOU, I was right!"

It's the equivalent of your wife trying to make you buddy, buddy with her friend's husband so she doesn't have to be a third wheel on Friday night's. Trying to force a relationship that's not there, that's not interesting nor fun. It's common sense really. It's just not a good look and it's not a good way to start things in my opinion. You should have two new faces coming in here together that are already comfortable, familiar and established with a good history of knowing what they want and what they need. You're not getting that here when you force this [BLEEP] on a new hire.

It's bad business practice. And, we know it's bad business practice because Khan's record as an owner speaks for itself.

To further add with Baalke. We can go back to a few decisions and trades he's made in the draft. Sure, he gets an A+ for the BTJ trade. What about trading up to get Devin Lloyd? Do we think he's lived up to the hype? Do we think taking Chad Muma now in RD3 was the best decision there in that same draft class?

What about the fact that he sat on, what, 14 picks in the 2023 draft and seemed to have difficulty trading back up to potentially secure better players? I just feel like some of you on here are already trying to cope or come to terms with the fact that we're stuck with this [BLEEP] once again and we all know he shouldn't be here. It's not all on Doug. You can be a fan of the team and still be mightily displeased with the direction and decision making of ownership. You don't have to put a band aid on Baalke's continued tenure here or sugarcoat a turd.

His record, just like Khan's, speaks for itself as well. Even going back to San Francisco. Like I said. Harbaugh was the driving mechanism of that teams success in San Francisco. Not Baalke. His continued to success from Michigan and now with the Chargers speaks volumes and says more about him and even more about Baalke now.

Baalke is apart of the problem. Regardless of what Pederson had a little bit of control or say over the years with him or what this next coach is fixing to have. It shouldn't even be a debate or an option to begin with. We should be in the market for a new general manager and head coach.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

It fell apart in year TWO

primarily because Trent and Doug tried to cobble together a roster from the outside in instead of the right way.

No trenches got your QB hurt 5 times and IR'd


No trenches saw your run D give up 142 per game on the ground in the 5 losses that killed the season

Also - how is it not clear to everyone from that presser that Doug heavily influenced the picks and acquisitions and the new HC will too?

This still doesn't change the fact, that, Baalke has a negative reputation with everybody else around the NFL and it has a hindering effect on potentially hiring the best possible candidate to fix this football team. And, again, we don't know the full extent of how things operate in that building between the coaching staff and the general manager. The only thing we can probably pinpoint as to why Doug got fired was because of his lingering loyalty that he carried down from Philadelphia with his coaching staff.

That's what got him canned. It seems like Khan wanted Doug to run the offense as a play caller and he insisted Press Taylor do it and it wasn't good enough. Here's my other problem as well, with this thought process above, alright? Baalke's been here now when Marrone was in the building with Caldwell, then Meyer, then Pederson and now this next coaching staff. He's the common denominator at this point.

Did it ever occur to Khan that maybe he does need to throw the baby out with the bath water and get a new regime in here that understands each other completely? It makes a night and day difference. Even the conversations are different. The approach is different. The familiarity and comfort is different. Insisting Baalke upon a fresh new face is just annoying. At this point I can only assume it's just out of spite because Khan is so desperate to be the guy that can stand up on the highest point of the Kismet and tell everybody:

"See, you know, [BLEEP] YOU, I was right!"

It's the equivalent of your wife trying to make you buddy, buddy with her friend's husband so she doesn't have to be a third wheel on Friday night's. Trying to force a relationship that's not there, that's not interesting nor fun. It's common sense really. It's just not a good look and it's not a good way to start things in my opinion. You should have two new faces coming in here together that are already comfortable, familiar and established with a good history of knowing what they want and what they need. You're not getting that here when you force this [BLEEP] on a new hire.

It's bad business practice. And, we know it's bad business practice because Khan's record as an owner speaks for itself.

The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for. 

Leftwich came out and dispelled that he had anything against Baalke after all of Jags fandom took that bait believing a rumor Leftwich wouldn't take a coaching job here becuz Baalke. 100% False. 

I've seen nothing to substantiate any other rumors about coaches not wanting to work with him either. 
Just rumors and assumptions. 

I wanted the guy fired. But I don't believe the fan hate when it lacks substance. 
I don't like this choice of methodology for the HC search either - but it is clear Khan intends to give the next coach the juice over Baalke, so I'm not tripping.

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This still doesn't change the fact, that, Baalke has a negative reputation with everybody else around the NFL and it has a hindering effect on potentially hiring the best possible candidate to fix this football team. And, again, we don't know the full extent of how things operate in that building between the coaching staff and the general manager. The only thing we can probably pinpoint as to why Doug got fired was because of his lingering loyalty that he carried down from Philadelphia with his coaching staff.

That's what got him canned. It seems like Khan wanted Doug to run the offense as a play caller and he insisted Press Taylor do it and it wasn't good enough. Here's my other problem as well, with this thought process above, alright? Baalke's been here now when Marrone was in the building with Caldwell, then Meyer, then Pederson and now this next coaching staff. He's the common denominator at this point.

Did it ever occur to Khan that maybe he does need to throw the baby out with the bath water and get a new regime in here that understands each other completely? It makes a night and day difference. Even the conversations are different. The approach is different. The familiarity and comfort is different. Insisting Baalke upon a fresh new face is just annoying. At this point I can only assume it's just out of spite because Khan is so desperate to be the guy that can stand up on the highest point of the Kismet and tell everybody:

"See, you know, [BLEEP] YOU, I was right!"

It's the equivalent of your wife trying to make you buddy, buddy with her friend's husband so she doesn't have to be a third wheel on Friday night's. Trying to force a relationship that's not there, that's not interesting nor fun. It's common sense really. It's just not a good look and it's not a good way to start things in my opinion. You should have two new faces coming in here together that are already comfortable, familiar and established with a good history of knowing what they want and what they need. You're not getting that here when you force this [BLEEP] on a new hire.

It's bad business practice. And, we know it's bad business practice because Khan's record as an owner speaks for itself.

The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for. 

Leftwich came out and dispelled that he had anything against Baalke after all of Jags fandom took that bait believing a rumor Leftwich wouldn't take a coaching job here becuz Baalke. 100% False. 

I've seen nothing to substantiate any other rumors about coaches not wanting to work with him either. 
Just rumors and assumptions. 

I wanted the guy fired. But I don't believe the fan hate when it lacks substance. 
I don't like this choice of methodology for the HC search either - but it is clear Khan intends to give the next coach the juice over Baalke, so I'm not tripping.

Here's some evidence: Jim Harbaugh disparages Jed York and Trent Baalke

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

This still doesn't change the fact, that, Baalke has a negative reputation with everybody else around the NFL and it has a hindering effect on potentially hiring the best possible candidate to fix this football team. And, again, we don't know the full extent of how things operate in that building between the coaching staff and the general manager. The only thing we can probably pinpoint as to why Doug got fired was because of his lingering loyalty that he carried down from Philadelphia with his coaching staff.

That's what got him canned. It seems like Khan wanted Doug to run the offense as a play caller and he insisted Press Taylor do it and it wasn't good enough. Here's my other problem as well, with this thought process above, alright? Baalke's been here now when Marrone was in the building with Caldwell, then Meyer, then Pederson and now this next coaching staff. He's the common denominator at this point.

Did it ever occur to Khan that maybe he does need to throw the baby out with the bath water and get a new regime in here that understands each other completely? It makes a night and day difference. Even the conversations are different. The approach is different. The familiarity and comfort is different. Insisting Baalke upon a fresh new face is just annoying. At this point I can only assume it's just out of spite because Khan is so desperate to be the guy that can stand up on the highest point of the Kismet and tell everybody:

"See, you know, [BLEEP] YOU, I was right!"

It's the equivalent of your wife trying to make you buddy, buddy with her friend's husband so she doesn't have to be a third wheel on Friday night's. Trying to force a relationship that's not there, that's not interesting nor fun. It's common sense really. It's just not a good look and it's not a good way to start things in my opinion. You should have two new faces coming in here together that are already comfortable, familiar and established with a good history of knowing what they want and what they need. You're not getting that here when you force this [BLEEP] on a new hire.

It's bad business practice. And, we know it's bad business practice because Khan's record as an owner speaks for itself.

The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for. 

Leftwich came out and dispelled that he had anything against Baalke after all of Jags fandom took that bait believing a rumor Leftwich wouldn't take a coaching job here becuz Baalke. 100% False. 

I've seen nothing to substantiate any other rumors about coaches not wanting to work with him either. 
Just rumors and assumptions. 

I wanted the guy fired. But I don't believe the fan hate when it lacks substance. 
I don't like this choice of methodology for the HC search either - but it is clear Khan intends to give the next coach the juice over Baalke, so I'm not tripping.

You think this is normal?

How did the Jim Harbaugh-Trent Baalke breach open up? Let's go back through it: Owen Marecic, A.J. Jenkins, Aldon Smith... - Talking Points

Baalke as General Manager in San Francisco:
Harbaugh 2011 - 2014
Tomsula 2015
Kelly 2016 (worst year in franchise history 2 - 14)

Each year that team got progressively worse under his watch.

Baalke as General Manager here:
Meyer 2021
Pederson 2022 - 2024 (2024 showing some of the worst overall defensive play here we haven't seen since the Bradley era)
New Hire 2025

Again, even if you think he's a saint and not a snake. How many slam dunk future hall of famers, first team all-pro selections, pro-bowl caliber players has this guy really drafted during his near 10 years of being in control of roster management and team building?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for. 

Leftwich came out and dispelled that he had anything against Baalke after all of Jags fandom took that bait believing a rumor Leftwich wouldn't take a coaching job here becuz Baalke. 100% False. 

I've seen nothing to substantiate any other rumors about coaches not wanting to work with him either. 
Just rumors and assumptions. 

I wanted the guy fired. But I don't believe the fan hate when it lacks substance. 
I don't like this choice of methodology for the HC search either - but it is clear Khan intends to give the next coach the juice over Baalke, so I'm not tripping.

You think this is normal?

How did the Jim Harbaugh-Trent Baalke breach open up? Let's go back through it: Owen Marecic, A.J. Jenkins, Aldon Smith... - Talking Points

Baalke as General Manager in San Francisco:
Harbaugh 2011 - 2014
Tomsula 2015
Kelly 2016 (worst year in franchise history 2 - 14)

Each year that team got progressively worse under his watch.

Baalke as General Manager here:
Meyer 2021
Pederson 2022 - 2024 (2024 showing some of the worst overall defensive play here we haven't seen since the Bradley era)
New Hire 2025

Again, even if you think he's a saint and not a snake. How many slam dunk future hall of famers, first team all-pro selections, pro-bowl caliber players has this guy really drafted during his near 10 years of being in control of roster management and team building?

I like to present it this way.  Baalke's number of wins by season with San Francisco:

Year 1:  13
Year 2:  11
Year 3:  12
Year 4:  8
Year 5:  5
Year 6:  2

Is it hard to see the trend above?

As for Jacksonville:

Year 1:  3
Year 2:  9
Year 3:  9
Year 4:  4

Ok, he improved from year 1 to 2 with Jacksonville.  I guess having back-to-back #1 overall draft picks and spending an NFL record in free agency helped.  Could he do anything after that?  No, it flat lined for a season and then the team went right back to sucking.  You could change as little as 1 play in 2024 and this team would be back to picking #1 overall in the draft again this year.

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The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for. 

Leftwich came out and dispelled that he had anything against Baalke after all of Jags fandom took that bait believing a rumor Leftwich wouldn't take a coaching job here becuz Baalke. 100% False. 

I've seen nothing to substantiate any other rumors about coaches not wanting to work with him either. 
Just rumors and assumptions. 

I wanted the guy fired. But I don't believe the fan hate when it lacks substance. 
I don't like this choice of methodology for the HC search either - but it is clear Khan intends to give the next coach the juice over Baalke, so I'm not tripping.

Here's some evidence: Jim Harbaugh disparages Jed York and Trent Baalke

Nut job Harbaugh not getting on with someone 8 years ago substantiates exactly zero of the current rumors 

Harbaugh rubs ppl wrong everywhere he goes LOL

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The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for. 

Leftwich came out and dispelled that he had anything against Baalke after all of Jags fandom took that bait believing a rumor Leftwich wouldn't take a coaching job here becuz Baalke. 100% False. 

I've seen nothing to substantiate any other rumors about coaches not wanting to work with him either. 
Just rumors and assumptions. 

I wanted the guy fired. But I don't believe the fan hate when it lacks substance. 
I don't like this choice of methodology for the HC search either - but it is clear Khan intends to give the next coach the juice over Baalke, so I'm not tripping.

You think this is normal?

How did the Jim Harbaugh-Trent Baalke breach open up? Let's go back through it: Owen Marecic, A.J. Jenkins, Aldon Smith... - Talking Points

Baalke as General Manager in San Francisco:
Harbaugh 2011 - 2014
Tomsula 2015
Kelly 2016 (worst year in franchise history 2 - 14)

Each year that team got progressively worse under his watch.

Baalke as General Manager here:
Meyer 2021
Pederson 2022 - 2024 (2024 showing some of the worst overall defensive play here we haven't seen since the Bradley era)
New Hire 2025

Again, even if you think he's a saint and not a snake. How many slam dunk future hall of famers, first team all-pro selections, pro-bowl caliber players has this guy really drafted during his near 10 years of being in control of roster management and team building?

I literally just told you I wanted him fired

Don't misrepresent my words with some horse [BLEEP] because I challenged a rumor you can't prove

By the way, that article is from 2014, Has zero bearing on the current rumors about Ben Johnson and others, And it actually suggests that the best path forward for Harbaugh and the 49ers at the time was to continue with Baalke - And that Harbaugh would undoubtedly just not get along with whoever the next guy was they replace Trent with.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, I'm trying to point out the inaccuracies of the hyperbolized criticism flying around

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LOL.

Some dude just told me that Harbaugh is not respected as a great coach.

What a total moron that guy is!

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The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for.

Myself and Caldrac provide evidence.

Don't misrepresent my words with some horse [BLEEP] because I challenged a rumor you can't prove

Really??? Whether you agree or not, that's a shred of evidence and I'm sure it's not the only one two.  How is that misrepresenting your words???  It's precisely what you said 'literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for.'

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Here's a report claiming multiple experts agree that keeping Baalke is a hindrance in getting a new coach.

https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...3021782029

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

And here is an actual head coach, "For the Jaguars to change direction, you have to actually change direction. Retaining Trent Baalke greatly diminishes my interest in that job. Lot's of promise, but same roadblocks."

Prominent Head Coach

Choose a different horse to die on, NYC4jags.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for.

Myself and Caldrac provide evidence.

Don't misrepresent my words with some horse [BLEEP] because I challenged a rumor you can't prove

Really??? Whether you agree or not, that's a shred of evidence and I'm sure it's not the only one two.  How is that misrepresenting your words???  It's precisely what you said 'literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for.'

You provided nothing.

Where are you substantiating that any of the candidates for the Jacksonville Jaguars coaching job have said they don't want to work with Trent Baalke? 

Please point that out. 
 
This same story happened the last time we sought a coach and has since been proven to be bull [BLEEP]. 
I think it is very likely bull [BLEEP] now as well. 

The guy has been culpable in many personnel blunders. I simply don't see the need for fans to be willingly naive about whatever garbage rumors go flying around with no credible source. 
Why can't you just dislike the guy for making some crap decisions?
Why do you have to invent reasons to hate on the guy?

It's just so silly to me. 

Articles on crazy [BLEEP] Harbaugh from 8 years ago and 10 years ago have zero relevancy. 

Do you REALLY believe 2014-2017 San Francisco FO/HC schisms dictate that the same dynamics are happening right now in Jacksonville?? 

I think that [BLEEP] was its own mess and the pot was stirred by Harbaugh as much as anyone. 
Hell, the article Caldrac posted says just that!  ^
Baalke's picks and acquisitions in Duval have been demonstrably better than his final years in SF.
 So I don't use any of that stuff in my estimation of his ability as a GM. It's ancient history. 
And that's coming from a fan that would fire him based on last offseason's defensive makeover and FA class alone.
I would have canned him weeks ago.  
2024 is not ancient history - and the only reason it didn't cost him his job is that Doug had the juice at the end of the day. Sad, but true.

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The red bit is something everyone says and literally no one has ever provided a shred of evidence for. 

Leftwich came out and dispelled that he had anything against Baalke after all of Jags fandom took that bait believing a rumor Leftwich wouldn't take a coaching job here becuz Baalke. 100% False. 

I've seen nothing to substantiate any other rumors about coaches not wanting to work with him either. 
Just rumors and assumptions. 

I wanted the guy fired. But I don't believe the fan hate when it lacks substance. 
I don't like this choice of methodology for the HC search either - but it is clear Khan intends to give the next coach the juice over Baalke, so I'm not tripping.

You think this is normal?

How did the Jim Harbaugh-Trent Baalke breach open up? Let's go back through it: Owen Marecic, A.J. Jenkins, Aldon Smith... - Talking Points

Baalke as General Manager in San Francisco:
Harbaugh 2011 - 2014
Tomsula 2015
Kelly 2016 (worst year in franchise history 2 - 14)

Each year that team got progressively worse under his watch.

Baalke as General Manager here:
Meyer 2021
Pederson 2022 - 2024 (2024 showing some of the worst overall defensive play here we haven't seen since the Bradley era)
New Hire 2025

Again, even if you think he's a saint and not a snake. How many slam dunk future hall of famers, first team all-pro selections, pro-bowl caliber players has this guy really drafted during his near 10 years of being in control of roster management and team building?

Thanks for the link.  That was a pretty good read.  I'm not necessarily sure what is known versus opinion in that piece though he does call out certain parts as speculation so good on him for highlighting it at times, but I don't think that article paints Baalke in a bad light.  It was critical of certain moves, but there were several things I read in there that are complimentary of him and his work ethic.  I found many more criticisms of Harbaugh in that read though it did feel like the writer was trying to be a messenger and not spin a narrative one way or another.  He's a good coach, sure, but Harbaugh has a reputation of being somewhat of an arrogant [BLEEP].  This article pretty much jibes with that.  Will be interesting to follow his and Joe Hortiz' relationship over the coming years to see if it also gets strained.  I kind of expect it will.

I've given my opinion on the post harbaugh coaching situation in SF before, but I remember when Tomsula was hired at the time thinking this was going to be a one and done situation which it turned out being.  It seemed like the type of hire you make when you didn't get your guy that cycle and planned to punt to the following year, but that's speculation on my part sure.  And if that is indeed what it was all along, I would have to imagine York being heavily involved in that being the direction.  I doubt Baalke or any GM would feel confident enough in their job security to do that on their own.

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Results matter

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And here is an actual head coach, "For the Jaguars to change direction, you have to actually change direction. Retaining Trent Baalke greatly diminishes my interest in that job. Lot's of promise, but same roadblocks."

Prominent Head Coach

Choose a different horse to die on, NYC4jags.

It's "hill" not horse.

But that uncredited source from Shipley is the first mildly convincing thing I've seen. Thank you for something slightly more tangible.
That's worthy of more skepticism. 

If it's true - I wonder how many other coaches feel the same way. 

Maybe it is not total bull [BLEEP] like I thought. 
I hope we get more clarity at some point. 

I still think most coaching candidates are going to be like:
"So, I get say OVER the GM, and he only has a year on his deal, and you'll listen to suggestions from me if I want to shake up the FO???  - Where do I sign?" 

They interviewed Spagnoulo today, BTW.

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It's about time that some so called experts on this forum bend the knee.

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Again I think a lot of people are presuming the Jags have a traditional linear (one dimensional) hierarchal organizational chart.

Everything that has happened makes way more sense if you let go of that presumption, especially if the HC slightly higher up on a possibly constantly in-flux 3-dimensional chart.

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And here is an actual head coach, "For the Jaguars to change direction, you have to actually change direction. Retaining Trent Baalke greatly diminishes my interest in that job. Lot's of promise, but same roadblocks."

Prominent Head Coach

Choose a different horse to die on, NYC4jags.

It's "hill" not horse.

But that uncredited source from Shipley is the first mildly convincing thing I've seen. Thank you for something slightly more tangible.
That's worthy of more skepticism. 

If it's true - I wonder how many other coaches feel the same way. 

Maybe it is not total bull [BLEEP] like I thought. 
I hope we get more clarity at some point. 

I still think most coaching candidates are going to be like:
"So, I get say OVER the GM, and he only has a year on his deal, and you'll listen to suggestions from me if I want to shake up the FO???  - Where do I sign?" 

They interviewed Spagnoulo today, BTW.

In Texas it's horse, Yank.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.