So from the same guy who said Leftwich was pretty much a done deal…

Didnt realize there was a dilla imposter. As far as the real Dilla, he had a few hits early on. But now he is being used. Take anything he says with a grain of salt these days.

This, there are a few gullible followers that still believe anything he posts and he hasn't called anything in years.  His inside source has been out of the building for years. I hope he's able to guess something right soon for the few followers that believe all his tweets lol.  He fooled me those few years after DC left until I realized his inside sources was gone after all the guesses and trying to hit on something lol

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I like Ben Johnson as an X's and O's guy but I am not so sure about him as a leader of men. All the young X's and O's wunderkind coaches flash but never take it to the next level. Look at all the currently successful coaches making big and lasting runs - all of them are charismatic leaders not exactly known for their genius schemes. Rather, they are known for their ability to lead, develop talent, and find the right personnel. Who knows, maybe Ben Johnson is both, but if he were, I don't think we are a lucky enough franchise to land that type of person.

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I know someone posted this last night that it was a done deal, but it was just officially announced a few moments ago on ESPN by Schefter that Vrabel reached agreement with New England. Good hire for them. I would have liked him here, but the connections he has with that organization apparently mean a lot more than being in division with the tacks and shoving it to them twice a year.

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I like Ben Johnson as an X's and O's guy but I am not so sure about him as a leader of men. All the young X's and O's wunderkind coaches flash but never take it to the next level. Look at all the currently successful coaches making big and lasting runs - all of them are charismatic leaders not exactly known for their genius schemes. Rather, they are known for their ability to lead, develop talent, and find the right personnel. Who knows, maybe Ben Johnson is both, but if he were, I don't think we are a lucky enough franchise to land that type of person.

If one looks at a list of current head coaches, you can see that there are numerous head coaches who did not come from the offensive side of the ball.  Including but not limited to, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Jonathan Gannon, Raheem Morris, Sean McDermott, Dan Campbell, DeMeco Ryans, Mike MacDonald, Todd Bowles, and Dan Quinn.  Pretty soon, Mike Vrabel.   

In these playoffs, the following teams have HCs who were never offensive coordinators: Steelers, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Texans, Bucs, and Commanders.  Ravens, Bills, and Lions would be among the favorites to win the Super Bowl.  

I don't mind having an offensive coordinator as a HC, but if you look at that list of coaches who were never offensive coordinators, and who are having great success, with a lot of them getting great things from their QB, it strikes me that being an offensive coordinator doesn't matter.  It's leadership that matters.  What matters is the ability to organize, delegate, and motivate.  Hold people accountable.  Have hard conversations with anyone not giving 100%.  

I really don't give a crap if a candidate has pencil-whipped every team in the league.  That's nice, but it's way down my list of characteristics and qualifications that I would be looking for in a head coach.

I hear people saying the next head coach needs to be a person who gets the most out of Trevor.  I'm beyond the point of giving a crap about that.  I want a defense and a running game.  Give us that, and whoever is our QB will thrive and look great.

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I know someone posted this last night that it was a done deal, but it was just officially announced a few moments ago on ESPN by Schefter that Vrabel reached agreement with New England.  Good hire for them.  I would have liked him here, but the connections he has with that organization apparently mean a lot more than being in division with the tacks and shoving it to them twice a year.

Yeah that was anticlimactic. 

Despite hopeful sources I think khan did indeed again screw us over by keeping Baalke. Brady is apparently pushing hard and pulling all the stops to get Johnson. IMO, we’d be the consensus #1 opening had it not been for that disastrous Black Monday. 

Hope I am wrong but we’re looking at another lost season

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I like Ben Johnson as an X's and O's guy but I am not so sure about him as a leader of men. All the young X's and O's wunderkind coaches flash but never take it to the next level. Look at all the currently successful coaches making big and lasting runs - all of them are charismatic leaders not exactly known for their genius schemes. Rather, they are known for their ability to lead, develop talent, and find the right personnel. Who knows, maybe Ben Johnson is both, but if he were, I don't think we are a lucky enough franchise to land that type of person.

If one looks at a list of current head coaches, you can see that there are numerous head coaches who did not come from the offensive side of the ball.  Including but not limited to, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Jonathan Gannon, Raheem Morris, Sean McDermott, Dan Campbell, DeMeco Ryans, Mike MacDonald, Todd Bowles, and Dan Quinn.  Pretty soon, Mike Vrabel.   

In these playoffs, the following teams have HCs who were never offensive coordinators: Steelers, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Texans, Bucs, and Commanders.  Ravens, Bills, and Lions would be among the favorites to win the Super Bowl.  

I don't mind having an offensive coordinator as a HC, but if you look at that list of coaches who were never offensive coordinators, and who are having great success, with a lot of them getting great things from their QB, it strikes me that being an offensive coordinator doesn't matter.  It's leadership that matters.  What matters is the ability to organize, delegate, and motivate.  Hold people accountable.  Have hard conversations with anyone not giving 100%.  

I really don't give a crap if a candidate has pencil-whipped every team in the league.  That's nice, but it's way down my list of characteristics and qualifications that I would be looking for in a head coach.

I hear people saying the next head coach needs to be a person who gets the most out of Trevor.  I'm beyond the point of giving a crap about that.  I want a defense and a running game.  Give us that, and whoever is our QB will thrive and look great.

Agree. People tend to get wrapped around the axle on OC experience when success hinges more on leadership skills.

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I like Ben Johnson as an X's and O's guy but I am not so sure about him as a leader of men. All the young X's and O's wunderkind coaches flash but never take it to the next level. Look at all the currently successful coaches making big and lasting runs - all of them are charismatic leaders not exactly known for their genius schemes. Rather, they are known for their ability to lead, develop talent, and find the right personnel. Who knows, maybe Ben Johnson is both, but if he were, I don't think we are a lucky enough franchise to land that type of person.

If one looks at a list of current head coaches, you can see that there are numerous head coaches who did not come from the offensive side of the ball.  Including but not limited to, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Jonathan Gannon, Raheem Morris, Sean McDermott, Dan Campbell, DeMeco Ryans, Mike MacDonald, Todd Bowles, and Dan Quinn.  Pretty soon, Mike Vrabel.   

In these playoffs, the following teams have HCs who were never offensive coordinators: Steelers, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Texans, Bucs, and Commanders.  Ravens, Bills, and Lions would be among the favorites to win the Super Bowl.  

I don't mind having an offensive coordinator as a HC, but if you look at that list of coaches who were never offensive coordinators, and who are having great success, with a lot of them getting great things from their QB, it strikes me that being an offensive coordinator doesn't matter.  It's leadership that matters.  What matters is the ability to organize, delegate, and motivate.  Hold people accountable.  Have hard conversations with anyone not giving 100%.  

I really don't give a crap if a candidate has pencil-whipped every team in the league.  That's nice, but it's way down my list of characteristics and qualifications that I would be looking for in a head coach.

I hear people saying the next head coach needs to be a person who gets the most out of Trevor.  I'm beyond the point of giving a crap about that.  I want a defense and a running game.  Give us that, and whoever is our QB will thrive and look great.

Yeah that's kinda of why my brain is saying "Yes, Ben Johnson, great" but my heart says "Hmm maybe Aaron Glenn".

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If one looks at a list of current head coaches, you can see that there are numerous head coaches who did not come from the offensive side of the ball.  Including but not limited to, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Jonathan Gannon, Raheem Morris, Sean McDermott, Dan Campbell, DeMeco Ryans, Mike MacDonald, Todd Bowles, and Dan Quinn.  Pretty soon, Mike Vrabel.   

In these playoffs, the following teams have HCs who were never offensive coordinators: Steelers, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Texans, Bucs, and Commanders.  Ravens, Bills, and Lions would be among the favorites to win the Super Bowl.  

I don't mind having an offensive coordinator as a HC, but if you look at that list of coaches who were never offensive coordinators, and who are having great success, with a lot of them getting great things from their QB, it strikes me that being an offensive coordinator doesn't matter.  It's leadership that matters.  What matters is the ability to organize, delegate, and motivate.  Hold people accountable.  Have hard conversations with anyone not giving 100%.  

I really don't give a crap if a candidate has pencil-whipped every team in the league.  That's nice, but it's way down my list of characteristics and qualifications that I would be looking for in a head coach.

I hear people saying the next head coach needs to be a person who gets the most out of Trevor.  I'm beyond the point of giving a crap about that.  I want a defense and a running game.  Give us that, and whoever is our QB will thrive and look great.

Agree. People tend to get wrapped around the axle on OC experience when success hinges more on leadership skills.

I may be in the minority on this, but I actually do believe that a lot of the ridiculous mental errors and mistakes filed under "poor execution" we've seen during the Pederson era in Jax could be minimized by a better motivator. 

Good teams don't make those mistakes that consistently and I think the assembled rosters of the past three years were capable of more consistent execution than what they ended up putting on the field.

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Sean Payton is a great coach, really need someone like that to change the culture. Should offer the Steelers a second round pick for Tomlin and let him get his own guys.

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Agree. People tend to get wrapped around the axle on OC experience when success hinges more on leadership skills.

I may be in the minority on this, but I actually do believe that a lot of the ridiculous mental errors and mistakes filed under "poor execution" we've seen during the Pederson era in Jax could be minimized by a better motivator. 

Good teams don't make those mistakes that consistently and I think the assembled rosters of the past three years were capable of more consistent execution than what they ended up putting on the field.

Doug isn't exactly a high energy guy. A person could make the argument that Belichick isn't either, but Tom Brady is. He stepped in as the motivator and leader when Bill was rattling off Xs and Os in his monotone voice. This is a flaw of Trevor's, IMHO. He lacks the motivational chops to compensate for Doug's stoicism. Neither are fiery guys and sometimes that's just what teams need.

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Sean Payton is a great coach, really need someone like that to change the culture. Should offer the Steelers a second round pick for Tomlin and let him get his own guys.

LOL.  That’s kind of funny.  All of my in-laws are in Pittsburgh and there are quite a few people up there that are ready for him to go.

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Sean Payton is a great coach, really need someone like that to change the culture. Should offer the Steelers a second round pick for Tomlin and let him get his own guys.

Sean Payton is a great coach, really need someone like that to change the culture. Should offer the Steelers a second round pick for Tomlin and let him get his own guys.

LOL.  That’s kind of funny.  All of my in-laws are in Pittsburgh and there are quite a few people up there that are ready for him to go.

Tomlin is an extremely overrated Del Rio level coach. Tomlin can't find an offense and just goes thru bad OCs. He isn't finding any up and coming smart OC.

Tomlin would most likely raise the floor but why would the Jags want a coach that has no chance to win in the playoffs? Then you get stuck with him because he keeps in around .500 and in the playoffs.

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Sean Payton is a great coach, really need someone like that to change the culture. Should offer the Steelers a second round pick for Tomlin and let him get his own guys.

LOL.  That’s kind of funny.  All of my in-laws are in Pittsburgh and there are quite a few people up there that are ready for him to go.

Some fans get spoiled.  Tomlin been head coach there for 18 years and has never had a season with a losing record.  It's pretty amazing.

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LOL.  That’s kind of funny.  All of my in-laws are in Pittsburgh and there are quite a few people up there that are ready for him to go.

Some fans get spoiled.  Tomlin been head coach there for 18 years and has never had a season with a losing record.  It's pretty amazing.

And he hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. He is average. That's Jags level bad at winning in the playoffs once a decade.

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I like Ben Johnson as an X's and O's guy but I am not so sure about him as a leader of men. All the young X's and O's wunderkind coaches flash but never take it to the next level. Look at all the currently successful coaches making big and lasting runs - all of them are charismatic leaders not exactly known for their genius schemes. Rather, they are known for their ability to lead, develop talent, and find the right personnel. Who knows, maybe Ben Johnson is both, but if he were, I don't think we are a lucky enough franchise to land that type of person.

If one looks at a list of current head coaches, you can see that there are numerous head coaches who did not come from the offensive side of the ball.  Including but not limited to, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Jonathan Gannon, Raheem Morris, Sean McDermott, Dan Campbell, DeMeco Ryans, Mike MacDonald, Todd Bowles, and Dan Quinn.  Pretty soon, Mike Vrabel.   

In these playoffs, the following teams have HCs who were never offensive coordinators: Steelers, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Texans, Bucs, and Commanders.  Ravens, Bills, and Lions would be among the favorites to win the Super Bowl.  

I don't mind having an offensive coordinator as a HC, but if you look at that list of coaches who were never offensive coordinators, and who are having great success, with a lot of them getting great things from their QB, it strikes me that being an offensive coordinator doesn't matter.  It's leadership that matters.  What matters is the ability to organize, delegate, and motivate.  Hold people accountable.  Have hard conversations with anyone not giving 100%.  

I really don't give a crap if a candidate has pencil-whipped every team in the league.  That's nice, but it's way down my list of characteristics and qualifications that I would be looking for in a head coach.

I hear people saying the next head coach needs to be a person who gets the most out of Trevor.  I'm beyond the point of giving a crap about that.  I want a defense and a running game.  Give us that, and whoever is our QB will thrive and look great.

How many of those HC were brought in after the franchise already had a potential franchise QB? How many of those teams were paying at least Daniel Jones level cap space to their starting QB and were defensive focused teams (Chiefs is only one, but having the GOAT's at 2 positions and 2 more HoF's makes them an exception)? 

Now if you think Lawrence will only ever be Adam Smith, late career Flacco, or Drew Bledsoe, and the Jags don't have a potential franchise QB, then those teams as examples make more sense because he would a stepping stone for the Jags to level up at QB on a rookie deal in 27/28 anyways.

For example, Herbert just had a culture guy brought in. They were competent in the reg season but exposed in the playoffs. An argument could be made that Harbaugh's offense and the weapons around Herbert don't really maximize Herberts strengths nor allowed him to develop. Now if Herbert is purely a good/mediocre QB, it changes matters. He would be a stepping stone, and Harbaugh can bring in a better QB in a few years. But that is a different plan going forward.

The culture type HC is a floor raiser. It is necessary for a level of consistency over the long haul. But if you think you already have a franchise quality QB who can lead you to a SB win, you need a ceiling raiser.

The other issue with the culture type HC is that this not going to be a quick turnaround to be a SB contender especially with Baalke staying and mucking up talent acquisition. Earliest would probably be 27 or 3 seasons.

Say you bring a culture type HC who is "successful." Jags make playoffs in 25 & 26 and win 1-2 playoff games over that span. It would likely happen because Trevor turned it around and the offense looks good. Most likely that means you are losing that OC. Just look at the OC's that 'turned around' Baker, Geno, and Goff. 

So the first year the team would be a true SC contender in 27, it wouldn't even be the first OC the culture HC hires. It would be the OC replacement in 2 years. 

Let's say the chances that you hit on the perfect play calling HC is 5%, and hitting on a floor raising competent culture HC is 25%. That culture HC still has to find a 2 successive good OC's. Even if the chances for that is 40% both times (which I think is an overestimation), hitting on all three gives you only 4% of getting it all right in the end.

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Sean Payton is a great coach, really need someone like that to change the culture. Should offer the Steelers a second round pick for Tomlin and let him get his own guys.

LOL.  That’s kind of funny.  All of my in-laws are in Pittsburgh and there are quite a few people up there that are ready for him to go.

Absolutely insane. The guy has never had a losing season despite lack of talent on that team. I would take Tomlin in a heartbeat.

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Doesn't matter who Shad / Baalke pick, it'll inevitably be the wrong choice.

I'm afraid you're right

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

Some fans get spoiled.  Tomlin been head coach there for 18 years and has never had a season with a losing record.  It's pretty amazing.

And he hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. He is average. That's Jags level bad at winning in the playoffs once a decade.

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That’s more on the GM. He hasn’t drafted or signed anyone to succeed Big Ben the R*pist. They’re in QB purgatory.

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LOL.  That’s kind of funny.  All of my in-laws are in Pittsburgh and there are quite a few people up there that are ready for him to go.

Absolutely insane. The guy has never had a losing season despite lack of talent on that team. I would take Tomlin in a heartbeat.

Same. Steelers would be idiots to fire him

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Some fans get spoiled.  Tomlin been head coach there for 18 years and has never had a season with a losing record.  It's pretty amazing.

And he hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. He is average. That's Jags level bad at winning in the playoffs once a decade.

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You want to talk about a cheap [BLEEP] organization, it’s the Steelers. The Rooneys are cheap and really handicap the roster. Tomlin clearly gets the most out of it, it’s freaking Russell Wilson. He has had Kenny Pickett, Trubisky, etc  since Big Ben- and with Big Ben won a Super Bowl. You can’t fault a guy for getting the best out of mediocrity at the QB position.

It feels like an Andy Reid situation brewing imo. Reid was thrown out of Philly after not being able to get over than NFC championship hump. Tomlin would get all the necessary resources to build a winner, it’s a no brainer.

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LOL.  That’s kind of funny.  All of my in-laws are in Pittsburgh and there are quite a few people up there that are ready for him to go.

Absolutely insane. The guy has never had a losing season despite lack of talent on that team. I would take Tomlin in a heartbeat.

Lack of talent?  That team is loaded with talent at every level, although they do need to find the right QB

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