How would you guys feel about trading down and using some mid round picks to maneuver and take two players in the mid to late first round?

Like maybe DT Deone Walker and one of the top guards like Booker or Jackson?

Could go a long way toward fixing our trenches.

If I trade back and end up in the 12th - 20th range with two first round picks I am not eyeing a DT or OG there. I would be looking to get more bang for my buck. Which would probably rub some of you the wrong way. But, ideally:

Give me J.T Tuimoloau at EDGE and Tyler Warren at TE in this scenario.

or

Give me Emeka Egbuka at WR and Malaki Starks at S in this scenario. 

It'll be an interesting off season with a lot of holes to backfill. Hopefully by the end of March we'll have a better idea of what the main focus will be in April. I would have a hard time passing up on either of those combinations above though in RD1 based on everything that I see and feel about this current roster.

We clearly lack a viable EDGE presence outside of our main two. We clearly lack a strong safety player in our secondary. We also clearly like firepower and excitement on offense outside of BTJ. Assuming that, this team finds a way to move on from Kirk's bloated contract and maybe even Engram if they feel content with Strange as a former 2nd RD investment. 

I still think adding a playmaker like Warren, who can play TE and do things out of the backfield along with maybe Egbuka, who would be a really nice WR2 to BTJ would also benefit this team.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

How would you guys feel about trading down and using some mid round picks to maneuver and take two players in the mid to late first round?

Like maybe DT Deone Walker and one of the top guards like Booker or Jackson?

Could go a long way toward fixing our trenches.

If I trade back and end up in the 12th - 20th range with two first round picks I am not eyeing a DT or OG there. I would be looking to get more bang for my buck. Which would probably rub some of you the wrong way. But, ideally:

Give me J.T Tuimoloau at EDGE and Tyler Warren at TE in this scenario.

or

Give me Emeka Egbuka at WR and Malaki Starks at S in this scenario. 

It'll be an interesting off season with a lot of holes to backfill. Hopefully by the end of March we'll have a better idea of what the main focus will be in April. I would have a hard time passing up on either of those combinations above though in RD1 based on everything that I see and feel about this current roster.

We clearly lack a viable EDGE presence outside of our main two. We clearly lack a strong safety player in our secondary. We also clearly like firepower and excitement on offense outside of BTJ. Assuming that, this team finds a way to move on from Kirk's bloated contract and maybe even Engram if they feel content with Strange as a former 2nd RD investment. 

I still think adding a playmaker like Warren, who can play TE and do things out of the backfield along with maybe Egbuka, who would be a really nice WR2 to BTJ would also benefit this team.

Ebuka in the teens?  Yuk  He had a great sophomore year and then he just hasnt lived up for it imo.  The Ohio St freshman is much better.  You would think being his senior year he would be the number 1 WR.  I remember not that long ago you saying you wasnt that high on Starks and now you would like him in the teens?  Is Starks better than Watts and Emmanwori? 

 Im not looking at positions though enless we have to players rated equal, we have a need at every position honestly.  We need to take whoever we feel is the BPA and the top guy on our board.

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If I trade back and end up in the 12th - 20th range with two first round picks I am not eyeing a DT or OG there. I would be looking to get more bang for my buck. Which would probably rub some of you the wrong way. But, ideally:

Give me J.T Tuimoloau at EDGE and Tyler Warren at TE in this scenario.

or

Give me Emeka Egbuka at WR and Malaki Starks at S in this scenario. 

It'll be an interesting off season with a lot of holes to backfill. Hopefully by the end of March we'll have a better idea of what the main focus will be in April. I would have a hard time passing up on either of those combinations above though in RD1 based on everything that I see and feel about this current roster.

We clearly lack a viable EDGE presence outside of our main two. We clearly lack a strong safety player in our secondary. We also clearly like firepower and excitement on offense outside of BTJ. Assuming that, this team finds a way to move on from Kirk's bloated contract and maybe even Engram if they feel content with Strange as a former 2nd RD investment. 

I still think adding a playmaker like Warren, who can play TE and do things out of the backfield along with maybe Egbuka, who would be a really nice WR2 to BTJ would also benefit this team.

Ebuka in the teens?  Yuk  He had a great sophomore year and then he just hasnt lived up for it imo.  The Ohio St freshman is much better.  You would think being his senior year he would be the number 1 WR.  I remember not that long ago you saying you wasnt that high on Starks and now you would like him in the teens?  Is Starks better than Watts and Emmanwori? 

 Im not looking at positions though enless we have to players rated equal, we have a need at every position honestly.  We need to take whoever we feel is the BPA and the top guy on our board.

Starks and Egbuka are good picks in this scenario in my opinion. I think Safety is an interesting position in this class. If you don't get a guy in RD1 or RD2 you might be in trouble this year by RD3. For example, if we go EDGE or RG in RD2? The odds that Watts and Winston Jr. are there early in RD3 seem unlikely in my opinion. 

Emmanwori will end up on a play off team on the opening night of the draft. More than likely in the NFC North. I could see the Vikings or Packers getting him at some point.

Egbuka quietly carved out a nice career with the Buckeyes. He's 1st all time in school history now in receiving yards and 2nd all time in receptions. Having him as a solid #2 is ideal in my opinion. Just seems to find ways to get open at times and tends to at least produce and put up numbers and every contest. He also played with three different QB's. Stroud, McCord and Howard.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Ebuka in the teens?  Yuk  He had a great sophomore year and then he just hasnt lived up for it imo.  The Ohio St freshman is much better.  You would think being his senior year he would be the number 1 WR.  I remember not that long ago you saying you wasnt that high on Starks and now you would like him in the teens?  Is Starks better than Watts and Emmanwori? 

 Im not looking at positions though enless we have to players rated equal, we have a need at every position honestly.  We need to take whoever we feel is the BPA and the top guy on our board.

Starks and Egbuka are good picks in this scenario in my opinion. I think Safety is an interesting position in this class. If you don't get a guy in RD1 or RD2 you might be in trouble this year by RD3. For example, if we go EDGE or RG in RD2? The odds that Watts and Winston Jr. are there early in RD3 seem unlikely in my opinion. 

Emmanwori will end up on a play off team on the opening night of the draft. More than likely in the NFC North. I could see the Vikings or Packers getting him at some point.

Egbuka quietly carved out a nice career with the Buckeyes. He's 1st all time in school history now in receiving yards and 2nd all time in receptions. Having him as a solid #2 is ideal in my opinion. Just seems to find ways to get open at times and tends to at least produce and put up numbers and every contest. He also played with three different QB's. Stroud, McCord and Howard.

In the last 6 years there has been only 1 safety go in the 1st round, Kyle Hamilton.  Brian Branch was an elite prospect imo and went at 45.  I wouldnt be shocked if Starks fell to the 2nd.  Its possible but I dont think 2 safties go in the 1st this year. Agreed we need to get one in the 2nd though.  I think you see a few go in the 2nd.  Really the only difference between the Texans great D and our D other than coaching this their secondary.  The have an All Pro corner and 2 good safties. We can do that in FA and the draft.  

On Ebuka, hes a good great career because of longevity which is important, but I just cant see drafting him in the teens with what will be available. I wouldnt draft a WR 2 in the teens.  If there was a WR 1 sitting there id be good with it but this draft is weak at WR imo.  If we trade back to the teens im thinking one of the pass rushers.  There are a lot of good pass rushers in this draft even if there are not the elite prospects.  With our 2nd pick edge would be a great spot too.  Sawyer or Tuimoloau would be great there, they dominated Texas's oline who some think is great lol.  Both of Georgia's edges as well along with Scouron and Pierce.  I think one of the pass rushers fall to the mid 2nd and my hope is we trade up from the 3rd.  All 6 of those edges along with Mike White would be an amazing 3rd edge player for us and what we have been missing.  That might be the deepest position in the 1st 3 rounds or so to where we can finally get our 3rd edge if we dont get one in FA.  Both Sawyer and JT were 5 star recruits and came back just to win a championship and probably will, I like that about them.


Sawyer was number 4
Jt was number 2
Maason Smith was 31


I like getting 5 star recruits that have been the best at what the do their whole life. High School, college, etc.  

Sawery and JT are probably 1 and 2 for me and then both Georgia guys.

2021 recruiting class
https://247sports.com/season/2021-footba...trankings/

Sawyer was number 6
Jt was number 2
Maason Smith was 31


2022 recruiting class
https://247sports.com/season/2022-footba...trankings/

Walter Nolen was number 2 just under Travis Hunter
Mykel Willimas was number 7
Starks was 4th overall

 I love getting the guys that have been the best forever.  If I have 2 guys rated equal and 1 was a 2 or 3 star recruit and the other was a top 5 prospect and has been the best in his class his whole life that could be the tie breaker for me, the better rectuit.

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Big time players make big time plays in big time games. When Jack Sawyer got the sack fumble on Ewers and picked up the ball to run it back for a TD to close out the Texas vs Ohio State game playoff game that just moved him much higher on my board and id love to get him with our 2nd round pick. JT as well.

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How would you guys feel about trading down and using some mid round picks to maneuver and take two players in the mid to late first round?

Like maybe DT Deone Walker and one of the top guards like Booker or Jackson?

Could go a long way toward fixing our trenches.

Trading back and taking Deone Walker feels exactly like a Baalke move lol.  I'm always up for moving back for the right price but they would have to pay mightily because there will be an elite player sitting at 5.  I wouldn't be happy if Baalke took Walker over Nolen but Baalke probably has Walker as a top 5 player on his board just because of his size, length, and athletic ability.  If my goal is to fix the trenches in the draft im taking Graham at 5 and Ratledge in the 2nd

I haven't watched much on Graham - but I read he's a run stuffer with "potential" to become a pas rusher. 

That's worth #5 to you??

We need a pocket disrupter

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Trading back and taking Deone Walker feels exactly like a Baalke move lol.  I'm always up for moving back for the right price but they would have to pay mightily because there will be an elite player sitting at 5.  I wouldn't be happy if Baalke took Walker over Nolen but Baalke probably has Walker as a top 5 player on his board just because of his size, length, and athletic ability.  If my goal is to fix the trenches in the draft im taking Graham at 5 and Ratledge in the 2nd

I haven't watched much on Graham - but I read he's a run stuffer with "potential" to become a pas rusher. 

That's worth #5 to you??

We need a pocket disrupter

He is a pocket disruptor, he does both.  Dude can take over games in the middle.

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You werent high on Jalen Carter? He's right there with Jalen Carter for me as a prospect and has the same college production as a pass rusher along with being a better run defender. National champion, about the same amount of sacks, 2 time All American.   I think Graham is a future All Pro.  You don't see many people move the way he does at 320 lbs.  Graham or Johnson at 5 is who I want.  Not sure if his arm length is up to standards for Baalke but hopefully the new coach gets who he wants in the early rounds at least.

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Right now for me it's

1. Hunter
2. Johnson if 100%
3. Graham
4. Carter
5. Jeanty

Jeanty at #5 overall in a very deep RB class would be such a Jaguars move lol.

Pu a hundred pounds on him and see if he can play G

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How would you guys feel about trading down and using some mid round picks to maneuver and take two players in the mid to late first round?

Like maybe DT Deone Walker and one of the top guards like Booker or Jackson?

Could go a long way toward fixing our trenches.

I don't see anyone looking to move up to 5 unless somehow Hunter, Sanders or Ward slip.

Good luck with that.

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I think I still have Johnson at the top of my board if hes 100% by the combine and test like i think he will.  I definitely woulldnt be against Carter though.  Im starting to think NE takes Carter as 2 QBs and Hunter go in the top 3 while NE getting Carter.  Edge is a huge need for NE and I think Carter would be a much better value than any WR after Hunter.  Id love Graham as well but if Baalke is the one making the pick he might be off the table.

I worry a bit about taking Johnson because he is rehabbing from injury and because he would basically be getting a contract equal to what the Jags are currently paying T. Campbell. And we are already worried that we overpaid Campbell due to availability.

Basically he wouldn't have the grace to have rookie struggles that often happen with secondary guys, and it would be alot of resources at the CB position, yet we would all still be antsy if it were enough.

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I think I still have Johnson at the top of my board if hes 100% by the combine and test like i think he will.  I definitely woulldnt be against Carter though.  Im starting to think NE takes Carter as 2 QBs and Hunter go in the top 3 while NE getting Carter.  Edge is a huge need for NE and I think Carter would be a much better value than any WR after Hunter.  Id love Graham as well but if Baalke is the one making the pick he might be off the table.

I worry a bit about taking Johnson because he is rehabbing from injury and because he would basically be getting a contract equal to what the Jags are currently paying T. Campbell. And we are already worried that we overpaid Campbell due to availability.

Basically he wouldn't have the grace to have rookie struggles that often happen with secondary guys, and it would be alot of resources at the CB position, yet we would all still be antsy if it were enough.

That's why I said in the first sentence if hes 100%. I'm wondering if Michigan was in the playoffs if he could of came back but since they were out of it, it wasn't worth the risk.  I'm not a doctor and don't know much about turf toe.  With that said he didn't have surgery so it must not of been very serious.  I haven't heard anything about his knee that he had surgery on and was arguable the best corner in the league after he came back from that.  I have him and Graham as about even for me so if there is any injury concern I'd take Graham.  Let's see how he looks and how healthy he is during the combine.  Let's see the reports from doctors if there is any concern.

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I have a question for everyone. What if the board goes like this and there are medical red flags for Johnson who do yall take if we dont trade back. It's possible Sanders could fall to the Raiders

1. Ward
2. Hunter
3. Carter
4. Graham
5. ?

Who do you get?

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In that scenario, if no one wants to trade up for sheduer you take Will Johnson, at this exact moment.

Everything will change by draft time as combine information and pro day information comes out.

I do agree you consider McMillan here.

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In that scenario, if no one wants to trade up for sheduer you take Will Johnson, at this exact moment. 

Everything will change by draft time as combine information and pro day information comes out. 

I do agree you consider McMillan here.

You don't care if there are medical concerns and red flags.  That would be to high to take a guy like that imo.

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I'm pleasantly surprised by the positivity toward Abdul Carter here. He's been very frowned upon on all of the other Jags social media places from what I have seen. He'd be an awesome pick at 5.

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I'm pleasantly surprised by the positivity toward Abdul Carter here. He's been very frowned upon on all of the other Jags social media places from what I have seen. He'd be an awesome pick at 5.

Not sure why he would be frowned upon. We're one of the worst defensive units in the NFL and it all starts up front. If you can't collapse the pocket or move the QB out of his comfort zone you're going to get picked apart.

Should be common sense really. Carter was one hell of a pass rushing presence all year. Consistently flying around the backfield and despite them losing to Notre Dame, he showed up and out a bit with playing through a bum shoulder. Hard not to like the kid. 

A good defensive coordinator should be able to figure out a way early and often in how to utilize him alongside Walker, Hines-Allen and Smith in pressure package situations. I would take Carter over Graham and Johnson at this point.

I am a little greedy though with offense. If McMillan comes out there with his size and runs a damn 4.4 I am probably taking him over everybody else at 5 and then turning my attention towards Marshall's Mike Green in RD2 or possibly trading up to get him late in RD1 before a play-off team nabs him.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I think because of a combination of us having a ton invested in two double digit sack pass rushers already, the upgrade Trevor's protection at all costs mindset, and having Hunter/Johnson DB need beat into our heads for the past several months. A 3rd elite capital pass rusher option is just now entering the frame for a lot of people.

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I'm pleasantly surprised by the positivity toward Abdul Carter here. He's been very frowned upon on all of the other Jags social media places from what I have seen. He'd be an awesome pick at 5.

Not sure why he would be frowned upon. We're one of the worst defensive units in the NFL and it all starts up front. If you can't collapse the pocket or move the QB out of his comfort zone you're going to get picked apart.

Should be common sense really. Carter was one hell of a pass rushing presence all year. Consistently flying around the backfield and despite them losing to Notre Dame, he showed up and out a bit with playing through a bum shoulder. Hard not to like the kid. 

A good defensive coordinator should be able to figure out a way early and often in how to utilize him alongside Walker, Hines-Allen and Smith in pressure package situations. I would take Carter over Graham and Johnson at this point.

I am a little greedy though with offense. If McMillan comes out there with his size and runs a damn 4.4 I am probably taking him over everybody else at 5 and then turning my attention towards Marshall's Mike Green in RD2 or possibly trading up to get him late in RD1 before a play-off team nabs him.

If dude runs a 4.4 I might move him to the top of my board.  He reminds me of Mike Evans though, and Evans did evan run that fast of a 40 but he has good game speed.  McMillan is a great route runner for his size and has really good hands.  It will be interesting to see what he does at the combine.  I think for the Pats it will be between McMillan and Carter. The thought of McMillan and BTJ could give Trevor a potential elite duo on the outside. If Kirk and Engram came back heathy we would have one of the best recieving corps in the league. Still have to fix that interior though. I have a lot of players that are equal or very close and the combine could separate some of them.

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Not a draft target but we will most likely need a backup QB. What do you think about Kyle Trask?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Not a draft target but we will most likely need a backup QB. What do you think about Kyle Trask?

Just draft a guy on day 3 and keep CJ around.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I liked it better when we went after guys from The Colorado School of Mines and 28 year old DTs from Ashland University.

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I liked it better when we went after guys from The Colorado School of Mines and 28 year old DTs from Ashland University.

With suitable wives and girlfriends.

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