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(02-21-2025, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(02-21-2025, 10:34 AM)Jag149 Wrote: If the government is going to endow us with a bonus refund then I will take it as a matter of course. What I really want is the savings and an efficient execution going forward by our government. This is actually normal for old large corporations.

There is no evil here this is just a turnaround of a failing business is all. Over the years they devolve into a collection of fiefdoms ruled by self serving middle managers (bureaucrats in government) These people start out with good intentions and become entitled as they embed into the "system".  Many successful large corporations understand this and allow very few to manage a department for more than 5-7 years. Sure they will have a few PIP's (pros in position) for continuity but not a lot and certainly not the head person.

They lose the mission of serving the customers believing they get to decide or know better.
They resist change as that makes them uncomfortable and threatens their ultimate control.
Processes degrade and become inefficient and outdated.
They begin "picking" winners and losers. A good old boy system.
They begin spending money in ways that does not support their mission.
They begin supplying services they should not and the customers do not want.

The government needs to take a lesson from this.

This is a good description.  And I agree that some of what Trump and Elon are doing is needed. But 
1) they are going too fast
and 
2) they are needlessly insulting the people whose help they will need to do it right.

They tried it slow and nice the first time. They got delay, insults and persecution from the people that are screaming this. This time they are just going to do it.  Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.
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(02-21-2025, 01:19 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(02-21-2025, 12:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I really don't know what they heck you're saying. The government steals too much of our money and we have a small window here to both get some of it back and at least hamper the leviathan doing the stealing. And here you are humble bragging and concern trolling about the economy.

At least this time you realize that you don't understand what I'm saying.

Yes, it's difficult to understand your near incoherent babbling. Rational people trying to much their way through it get lost in all those farts you create for the purpose of sniffing them.
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(02-21-2025, 02:36 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(02-21-2025, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: This is a good description.  And I agree that some of what Trump and Elon are doing is needed. But 
1) they are going too fast
and 
2) they are needlessly insulting the people whose help they will need to do it right.

They tried it slow and nice the first time. They got delay, insults and persecution from the people that are screaming this. This time they are just going to do it.  Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

That's just not true.  There was no sincere discussion of cutting staff levels during the first term, not until the very very end.
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(02-21-2025, 04:08 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(02-21-2025, 02:36 PM)Jag149 Wrote: They tried it slow and nice the first time. They got delay, insults and persecution from the people that are screaming this. This time they are just going to do it.  Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

That's just not true.  There was no sincere discussion of cutting staff levels during the first term, not until the very very end.

You know it is a bit difficult to have this conversation when these guys are pushing a false rumor paid for and created by the defeated presidential candidate. This was proved to be the case. The people screaming and have issue need to look in the mirror to find out who to blame.

What Trump is doing actually is not a one party good other party bad issue. Both parties share the blame for where we are. The Republican because the population asked them to are making the changes needed. The Dems can jump either on the bus and help or stay off it defending inefficient and wasteful government.   They can choose for themselves. The voters made their choice November 5th.
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(02-21-2025, 05:31 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(02-21-2025, 04:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's just not true.  There was no sincere discussion of cutting staff levels during the first term, not until the very very end.

You know it is a bit difficult to have this conversation when these guys are pushing a false rumor paid for and created by the defeated presidential candidate. This was proved to be the case. The people screaming and have issue need to look in the mirror to find out who to blame.

What Trump is doing actually is not a one party good other party bad issue. Both parties share the blame for where we are. The Republican because the population asked them to are making the changes needed. The Dems can jump either on the bus and help or stay off it defending inefficient and wasteful government.   They can choose for themselves. The voters made their choice November 5th.

What false rumor? 
And I agree, I'm trying to keep this particular conversation non-partisan.
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(02-21-2025, 05:31 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(02-21-2025, 04:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's just not true.  There was no sincere discussion of cutting staff levels during the first term, not until the very very end.

You know it is a bit difficult to have this conversation when these guys are pushing a false rumor paid for and created by the defeated presidential candidate. This was proved to be the case. The people screaming and have issue need to look in the mirror to find out who to blame.

What Trump is doing actually is not a one party good other party bad issue. Both parties share the blame for where we are. The Republican because the population asked them to are making the changes needed. The Dems can jump either on the bus and help or stay off it defending inefficient and wasteful government.   They can choose for themselves. The voters made their choice November 5th.

What false rumor? 
And I agree, I'm trying to keep this particular conversation non-partisan.
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(02-23-2025, 10:19 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [Image: 481139485-1073758218114994-8028974614991738661-n.jpg]

The issues they have is credibility. None of these guys has any. They have on multiple occasions lied to the American public and those lies have been uncovered. Who gives a rats [BLEEP] what they think?
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(02-23-2025, 11:14 AM)Jag149 Wrote:
(02-23-2025, 10:19 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [Image: 481139485-1073758218114994-8028974614991738661-n.jpg]

The issues they have is credibility. None of these guys has any. They have on multiple occasions lied to the American public and those lies have been uncovered. Who gives a rats [BLEEP] what they think?

Agreed. No credibility. They have been exposed as liars. Thier only hope is that whats left of the MSM can introduce them to new viewers via new media outlets and hide the previous lying. Like what CBS CNN and MSNBC has been doing with the coverage of line items and savings amounts. One min and 30 seconds of on air coverage between all three of them over the last 16 days of the amounts wasted, while siding with the poor federal gov employees, who should also be investigated to see if they are adding meaningful value with thier jobs. As someone who worked over my IT career for both the government and as a consultant, my inclination would be that on the whole, the gov employees are probably not working as efficiently as a consultant would for the same money.
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(This post was last modified: 02-26-2025, 05:37 PM by Jag149. Edited 1 time in total.)

Elon stated the reason for the email he sent. He stressed it wasn't a performance review. (I am guessing those will come later.

Are these employees alive?
Are these actual real people? are they fictional people collecting a paycheck?
Can these people write an email?

If this is too much of a burden, then yes, these employees need to go.

I believe they will begin tracking those paychecks that had no email response.
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The MSM, along with the rest of the left, shot their wad persecuting Trump during his last administration and then propping up meat puppet and the woke movement. They have zero credibility now. I saw Kaitlin Collins even resorted to a Jim Acosta stunt the other day in a desperate attempt to be relevant.

Couple that with the lack of USAID provided protestor funds and they're absolutely flummoxed as to how to respond.
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(02-26-2025, 07:49 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: The MSM, along with the rest of the left, shot their wad persecuting Trump during his last administration and then propping up meat puppet and the woke movement. They have zero credibility now. I saw Kaitlin Collins even resorted to a Jim Acosta stunt the other day in a desperate attempt to be relevant.

Couple that with the lack of USAID provided protestor funds and they're absolutely flummoxed as to how to respond.

Life's too short to watch CNN. You ll never get that time back and you ll be dumber for it. Try NewsNation, its a little more reasonable and more moderate.
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(02-26-2025, 08:07 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(02-26-2025, 07:49 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: The MSM, along with the rest of the left, shot their wad persecuting Trump during his last administration and then propping up meat puppet and the woke movement. They have zero credibility now. I saw Kaitlin Collins even resorted to a Jim Acosta stunt the other day in a desperate attempt to be relevant.

Couple that with the lack of USAID provided protestor funds and they're absolutely flummoxed as to how to respond.

Life's too short to watch CNN.  You ll never get that time back and you ll be dumber for it.  Try NewsNation, its a little more reasonable and more moderate.

I watch News Nation. I think that's where I saw the clip. CNN takes up zero of my time.
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(02-26-2025, 05:36 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Elon stated the reason for the email he sent. He stressed it wasn't a performance review. (I am guessing those will come later.

Are these employees alive?
Are these actual real people? are they fictional people collecting a paycheck?
Can these people write an email?

If this is too much of a burden, then yes, these employees need to go.

I believe they will begin tracking those paychecks that had no email response.

I'm most of the way through Musk's biography now and the tactic he's using with the emails is akin to what he did when he bought Twitter. He knew that a large portion of the Twitter accounts were bots and duplicates, so he started charging a small monthly fee to get verified. It wasn't to make money. It was a validation process to ensure the person behind the account was real because they had to provide a credit card number and an email. 

The layoffs are another tactic from what is described as the "Musk algorithm". The rapid turn arounds at SpaceX and tripling the output of the Tesla factory in Fremont was due to his efforts to streamline the process. His emphasis is on deletion of unnecessary parts, procedures and processes with the mindset that if at least 10% of the deleted factors aren't added back in later, then enough wasn't deleted to begin with. It's a method that has served him well.
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Can the Biden Crime Family go any lower to enrich themselves?????

DOGE says Texas nonprofit with former Biden transition member reaped millions operating empty facility
As a result of the contract, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments jumped from $8.3 million in 2020 to $520 million in 2023

The Department of Health and Human Services has terminated a contract with a nonprofit that was paid millions each month to operate a Texas overflow facility that sat empty, according to the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

In a social media post, DOGE said a former U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement employee and Biden transition team member joined Family Endeavors in early 2021, where they helped the organization secure a sole-source HHS contract for overflow housing from licensed care facilities.

"As a result, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments grew from $8.3M in 2020 to $520.4M in 2023, the post states.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/doge-says-tex...y-facility
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(02-27-2025, 07:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(02-26-2025, 05:36 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Elon stated the reason for the email he sent. He stressed it wasn't a performance review. (I am guessing those will come later.

Are these employees alive?
Are these actual real people? are they fictional people collecting a paycheck?
Can these people write an email?

If this is too much of a burden, then yes, these employees need to go.

I believe they will begin tracking those paychecks that had no email response.

I'm most of the way through Musk's biography now and the tactic he's using with the emails is akin to what he did when he bought Twitter. He knew that a large portion of the Twitter accounts were bots and duplicates, so he started charging a small monthly fee to get verified. It wasn't to make money. It was a validation process to ensure the person behind the account was real because they had to provide a credit card number and an email. 

The layoffs are another tactic from what is described as the "Musk algorithm". The rapid turn arounds at SpaceX and tripling the output of the Tesla factory in Fremont was due to his efforts to streamline the process. His emphasis is on deletion of unnecessary parts, procedures and processes with the mindset that if at least 10% of the deleted factors aren't added back in later, then enough wasn't deleted to begin with. It's a method that has served him well.

Actually it is basic business 101. First thing you do when you are "fixing" a business that is failing is to watch the time clock, monitor login times etc.  I would suspect he has been doing just that.
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(02-27-2025, 07:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(02-26-2025, 05:36 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Elon stated the reason for the email he sent. He stressed it wasn't a performance review. (I am guessing those will come later.

Are these employees alive?
Are these actual real people? are they fictional people collecting a paycheck?
Can these people write an email?

If this is too much of a burden, then yes, these employees need to go.

I believe they will begin tracking those paychecks that had no email response.

I'm most of the way through Musk's biography now and the tactic he's using with the emails is akin to what he did when he bought Twitter. He knew that a large portion of the Twitter accounts were bots and duplicates, so he started charging a small monthly fee to get verified. It wasn't to make money. It was a validation process to ensure the person behind the account was real because they had to provide a credit card number and an email. 

The layoffs are another tactic from what is described as the "Musk algorithm". The rapid turn arounds at SpaceX and tripling the output of the Tesla factory in Fremont was due to his efforts to streamline the process. His emphasis is on deletion of unnecessary parts, procedures and processes with the mindset that if at least 10% of the deleted factors aren't added back in later, then enough wasn't deleted to begin with. It's a method that has served him well.

Neither of you have your thinking caps on it seems. 
If I am exploiting Twitter, using a bot army, I can probably afford to "verify" a few of those bots if all it takes is a monthly payment.
If I'm a skeezy middle manager at some federal department who has fake people on their payroll and is collecting those checks, I can certainly make time to have my various alter egos reply to emails. 
If Elon's plan is just what you say it is, he's not nearly as brilliant as you seem to think he is.
He's either an average but very hard working intelligence who has gotten very lucky, or something very different is going on below the surface.

(02-27-2025, 08:07 AM)The Drifter Wrote: Can the Biden Crime Family go any lower to enrich themselves?????

DOGE says Texas nonprofit with former Biden transition member reaped millions operating empty facility
As a result of the contract, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments jumped from $8.3 million in 2020 to $520 million in 2023

The Department of Health and Human Services has terminated a contract with a nonprofit that was paid millions each month to operate a Texas overflow facility that sat empty, according to the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

In a social media post, DOGE said a former U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement employee and Biden transition team member joined Family Endeavors in early 2021, where they helped the organization secure a sole-source HHS contract for overflow housing from licensed care facilities.

"As a result, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments grew from $8.3M in 2020 to $520.4M in 2023, the post states.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/doge-says-tex...y-facility

Both sides do no-bid contracts. 
The new guy complaining about the old guys no bid contracts is nothing new. Been going on for decades. 
What would be something new, is someone actually getting prosecuted over this kind of thing.

(02-27-2025, 09:34 AM)Jag149 Wrote:
(02-27-2025, 07:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: I'm most of the way through Musk's biography now and the tactic he's using with the emails is akin to what he did when he bought Twitter. He knew that a large portion of the Twitter accounts were bots and duplicates, so he started charging a small monthly fee to get verified. It wasn't to make money. It was a validation process to ensure the person behind the account was real because they had to provide a credit card number and an email. 

The layoffs are another tactic from what is described as the "Musk algorithm". The rapid turn arounds at SpaceX and tripling the output of the Tesla factory in Fremont was due to his efforts to streamline the process. His emphasis is on deletion of unnecessary parts, procedures and processes with the mindset that if at least 10% of the deleted factors aren't added back in later, then enough wasn't deleted to begin with. It's a method that has served him well.

Actually it is basic business 101. First thing you do when you are "fixing" a business that is failing is to watch the time clock, monitor login times etc.  I would suspect he has been doing just that.

Lol no.  Absenteeism and short-timing are usually symptoms of a deeper problem.  The balance sheet usually tells the main story.
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(02-27-2025, 07:56 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(02-27-2025, 07:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: I'm most of the way through Musk's biography now and the tactic he's using with the emails is akin to what he did when he bought Twitter. He knew that a large portion of the Twitter accounts were bots and duplicates, so he started charging a small monthly fee to get verified. It wasn't to make money. It was a validation process to ensure the person behind the account was real because they had to provide a credit card number and an email. 

The layoffs are another tactic from what is described as the "Musk algorithm". The rapid turn arounds at SpaceX and tripling the output of the Tesla factory in Fremont was due to his efforts to streamline the process. His emphasis is on deletion of unnecessary parts, procedures and processes with the mindset that if at least 10% of the deleted factors aren't added back in later, then enough wasn't deleted to begin with. It's a method that has served him well.

Neither of you have your thinking caps on it seems. 
If I am exploiting Twitter, using a bot army, I can probably afford to "verify" a few of those bots if all it takes is a monthly payment.
If I'm a skeezy middle manager at some federal department who has fake people on their payroll and is collecting those checks, I can certainly make time to have my various alter egos reply to emails. 
If Elon's plan is just what you say it is, he's not nearly as brilliant as you seem to think he is.
He's either an average but very hard working intelligence who has gotten very lucky, or something very different is going on below the surface.

(02-27-2025, 08:07 AM)The Drifter Wrote: Can the Biden Crime Family go any lower to enrich themselves?????

DOGE says Texas nonprofit with former Biden transition member reaped millions operating empty facility
As a result of the contract, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments jumped from $8.3 million in 2020 to $520 million in 2023

The Department of Health and Human Services has terminated a contract with a nonprofit that was paid millions each month to operate a Texas overflow facility that sat empty, according to the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

In a social media post, DOGE said a former U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement employee and Biden transition team member joined Family Endeavors in early 2021, where they helped the organization secure a sole-source HHS contract for overflow housing from licensed care facilities.

"As a result, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments grew from $8.3M in 2020 to $520.4M in 2023, the post states.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/doge-says-tex...y-facility

Both sides do no-bid contracts. 
The new guy complaining about the old guys no bid contracts is nothing new. Been going on for decades. 
What would be something new, is someone actually getting prosecuted over this kind of thing.

(02-27-2025, 09:34 AM)Jag149 Wrote: Actually it is basic business 101. First thing you do when you are "fixing" a business that is failing is to watch the time clock, monitor login times etc.  I would suspect he has been doing just that.

Lol no.  Absenteeism and short-timing are usually symptoms of a deeper problem.  The balance sheet usually tells the main story.

Really? do tell.  Sometimes you crack me up. ...Wink
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(02-27-2025, 07:56 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(02-27-2025, 07:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: I'm most of the way through Musk's biography now and the tactic he's using with the emails is akin to what he did when he bought Twitter. He knew that a large portion of the Twitter accounts were bots and duplicates, so he started charging a small monthly fee to get verified. It wasn't to make money. It was a validation process to ensure the person behind the account was real because they had to provide a credit card number and an email. 

The layoffs are another tactic from what is described as the "Musk algorithm". The rapid turn arounds at SpaceX and tripling the output of the Tesla factory in Fremont was due to his efforts to streamline the process. His emphasis is on deletion of unnecessary parts, procedures and processes with the mindset that if at least 10% of the deleted factors aren't added back in later, then enough wasn't deleted to begin with. It's a method that has served him well.

Neither of you have your thinking caps on it seems. 
If I am exploiting Twitter, using a bot army, I can probably afford to "verify" a few of those bots if all it takes is a monthly payment.
If I'm a skeezy middle manager at some federal department who has fake people on their payroll and is collecting those checks, I can certainly make time to have my various alter egos reply to emails. 
If Elon's plan is just what you say it is, he's not nearly as brilliant as you seem to think he is.
He's either an average but very hard working intelligence who has gotten very lucky, or something very different is going on below the surface.

(02-27-2025, 08:07 AM)The Drifter Wrote: Can the Biden Crime Family go any lower to enrich themselves?????

DOGE says Texas nonprofit with former Biden transition member reaped millions operating empty facility
As a result of the contract, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments jumped from $8.3 million in 2020 to $520 million in 2023

The Department of Health and Human Services has terminated a contract with a nonprofit that was paid millions each month to operate a Texas overflow facility that sat empty, according to the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

In a social media post, DOGE said a former U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement employee and Biden transition team member joined Family Endeavors in early 2021, where they helped the organization secure a sole-source HHS contract for overflow housing from licensed care facilities.

"As a result, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments grew from $8.3M in 2020 to $520.4M in 2023, the post states.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/doge-says-tex...y-facility

Both sides do no-bid contracts. 
The new guy complaining about the old guys no bid contracts is nothing new. Been going on for decades. 
What would be something new, is someone actually getting prosecuted over this kind of thing.

(02-27-2025, 09:34 AM)Jag149 Wrote: Actually it is basic business 101. First thing you do when you are "fixing" a business that is failing is to watch the time clock, monitor login times etc.  I would suspect he has been doing just that.

Lol no.  Absenteeism and short-timing are usually symptoms of a deeper problem.  The balance sheet usually tells the main story.
Logging in and responding to an email is more difficult than you think, plus the act will lead to finding the fake employees. If you log in, you will be tracked. Either you are working on a government issued laptop and connecting to a VPN or connecting to a VM. So either way, they know where and how you logged in. If you use the same laptop, they will know. If you use different laptops, they will still know your network details. Are you going to try and hide your IP and location? Most government employees won't do that.

This catches people who aren't doing their job and aren't even bothering to log in and check emails.

Where the fake people come into play is at the management level. Would a manager really have an employee that reports to them and they never talk to them? I would find it hard to believe that happens but who knows. Likelier is that the manager has created the employee and is the one collecting the check or getting a cut of it.

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