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(03-03-2025, 09:06 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(03-03-2025, 07:48 PM)captivating Wrote: How do you feel about Europe paying more to Russia for gas than they spend on Ukraine?
Cite your source.

Not hard to find unless you have your head in the sand.

https://energyandcleanair.org/january-20...sanctions/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-unio...47300.html
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(03-04-2025, 03:10 AM)captivating Wrote:
(03-03-2025, 09:06 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Cite your source.

Not hard to find unless you have your head in the sand.

https://energyandcleanair.org/january-20...sanctions/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-unio...47300.html
The article is pure [BLEEP]. The EU spent like 3-4 times as much money on Ukrainian aid than it did on Russian oil and gas. They compare all the oil and gas purchased by all countries with some minor part of the Ukrainian aid. I don't even know what they're comparing it to, but the EU institutions gave 46 billion in financial aid and that's not counting any individual countries aid. Also, what a weird phrased article; Europe spends more oil and gas is also confusing. Who are we talking about? Portugal? Ireland? Poland? 

Not to mention, the article is comparing gross revenue to aid, which is not a relevant comparison. It's not like Russia received €22bn of profit to funnel into their war machine. The price caps were designed to keep Russia's tangible benefits substantially lower, while not disrupting the global oil market too severely and bringing about greater economic pain on the nations that are working to support Ukraine financially and militarily.

The reality is the EU can't switch off Russian gas over night. The EU went from like 40% of gas being Russian in 2021 to around 10% now. That's quite a quick switch, but getting to 0% Russian gas is another hurdle.
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(03-04-2025, 03:10 AM)captivating Wrote:
(03-03-2025, 09:06 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Cite your source.

Not hard to find unless you have your head in the sand.

https://energyandcleanair.org/january-20...sanctions/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-unio...47300.html

That not the sand his head is stuck in.
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(03-04-2025, 07:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(03-04-2025, 03:10 AM)captivating Wrote: Not hard to find unless you have your head in the sand.

https://energyandcleanair.org/january-20...sanctions/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-unio...47300.html

That not the sand his head is stuck in.

That's pretty Russian of you to say
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(03-04-2025, 08:16 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(03-04-2025, 07:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: That not the sand his head is stuck in.

That's pretty Russian of you to say

Lol, poor Doofy, he's all out of big words to attempt to make him seem smart.
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(03-04-2025, 05:22 AM)TDOSS Wrote:
(03-04-2025, 03:10 AM)captivating Wrote: Not hard to find unless you have your head in the sand.

https://energyandcleanair.org/january-20...sanctions/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-unio...47300.html
The article is pure [BLEEP]. The EU spent like 3-4 times as much money on Ukrainian aid than it did on Russian oil and gas. They compare all the oil and gas purchased by all countries with some minor part of the Ukrainian aid. I don't even know what they're comparing it to, but the EU institutions gave 46 billion in financial aid and that's not counting any individual countries aid. Also, what a weird phrased article; Europe spends more oil and gas is also confusing. Who are we talking about? Portugal? Ireland? Poland? 

Not to mention, the article is comparing gross revenue to aid, which is not a relevant comparison. It's not like Russia received €22bn of profit to funnel into their war machine. The price caps were designed to keep Russia's tangible benefits substantially lower, while not disrupting the global oil market too severely and bringing about greater economic pain on the nations that are working to support Ukraine financially and militarily.

The reality is the EU can't switch off Russian gas over night. The EU went from like 40% of gas being Russian in 2021 to around 10% now. That's quite a quick switch, but getting to 0% Russian gas is another hurdle.

Time to show your source on that statement. I know you'll come back with more popular tripe, but that would just mean you can't.
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(03-04-2025, 11:15 AM)Jag149 Wrote:
(03-04-2025, 05:22 AM)TDOSS Wrote: The article is pure [BLEEP]. The EU spent like 3-4 times as much money on Ukrainian aid than it did on Russian oil and gas. They compare all the oil and gas purchased by all countries with some minor part of the Ukrainian aid. I don't even know what they're comparing it to, but the EU institutions gave 46 billion in financial aid and that's not counting any individual countries aid. Also, what a weird phrased article; Europe spends more oil and gas is also confusing. Who are we talking about? Portugal? Ireland? Poland? 

Not to mention, the article is comparing gross revenue to aid, which is not a relevant comparison. It's not like Russia received €22bn of profit to funnel into their war machine. The price caps were designed to keep Russia's tangible benefits substantially lower, while not disrupting the global oil market too severely and bringing about greater economic pain on the nations that are working to support Ukraine financially and militarily.

The reality is the EU can't switch off Russian gas over night. The EU went from like 40% of gas being Russian in 2021 to around 10% now. That's quite a quick switch, but getting to 0% Russian gas is another hurdle.

Time to show your source on that statement. I know you'll come back with more popular tripe, but that would just mean you can't.

Let's start here (last year data)

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-...ng-ukraine



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This counts for BOTH humanitarian aid, and military aid.

More important to note that isn't being noted, this is ALL aid, delivered and promised. It's including certain nations promising to provide aid multiple years from now, as equal to already delivered aid.  
 
Among bilateral donors, the U.S. remains the top provider of aid, with a total of 75.1 billion Euro in allocations, driven in large part by its 51.6 billion euros of military aid.

Germany, the U.K., Japan, and Canada follow, with 14.7, 13.1, 9.1, and 7.2 billion Euro in total allocations respectively, to complete the ranking of the top 5 bilateral donors.

In terms of total bilateral allocations as a percent of 2021 GDP, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania top the ranking with 1.8, 1.7, and 1.4 percent.

As a whole, Europe, which includes the EU institutions and member states as well as the U.K, Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, has allocated a total of 110.2 billion Euro, of which roughly half (51.5 billion Euro) has been for military aid.


Look at the numbers, Europe does more than the USA.

Also, most Ukraine refugees are taken in by other European countries. This is also a burden on the countries budgets. How many Ukranian refugee has the US took? How about this year under Orange Jesus?

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(03-04-2025, 01:58 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(03-04-2025, 11:15 AM)Jag149 Wrote: Time to show your source on that statement. I know you'll come back with more popular tripe, but that would just mean you can't.

Let's start here (last year data)

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-...ng-ukraine



[Image: Screenshot-20250304-114547-Reddit.jpg]

This counts for BOTH humanitarian aid, and military aid.

More important to note that isn't being noted, this is ALL aid, delivered and promised. It's including certain nations promising to provide aid multiple years from now, as equal to already delivered aid.  
 
Among bilateral donors, the U.S. remains the top provider of aid, with a total of 75.1 billion Euro in allocations, driven in large part by its 51.6 billion euros of military aid.

Germany, the U.K., Japan, and Canada follow, with 14.7, 13.1, 9.1, and 7.2 billion Euro in total allocations respectively, to complete the ranking of the top 5 bilateral donors.

In terms of total bilateral allocations as a percent of 2021 GDP, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania top the ranking with 1.8, 1.7, and 1.4 percent.

As a whole, Europe, which includes the EU institutions and member states as well as the U.K, Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, has allocated a total of 110.2 billion Euro, of which roughly half (51.5 billion Euro) has been for military aid.


Look at the numbers, Europe does more than the USA.

Also, most Ukraine refugees are taken in by other European countries. This is also a burden on the countries budgets. How many Ukranian refugee has the US took? How about this year under Orange Jesus?

Thank you, a very nice graph. It is a way to lie with statistics. However, that is only a portion of our investment. (the bills that went through congress) The USAID stuff is not included to begin with. There are others as well. Since you like that source and there was a graph of the amounts showing  175 billion to Ukraine via congressional bills and another 106 in military equipment. Where the above one you posted showed 77plus 23. Why did you choose to show the one you did on your post, a mistake perhaps?

Last tally I saw from all us sources was around 300 billion from all sources. The international sites don't track these other sources due to the expenditures being hidden like we found in the USAID ones.
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