What makes you so sure an idiot who destroys a Tesla is "left"?  What if I tried to make you answer for the behavior of Warren Jeffs? You'd say, "that's not fair, he doesn't represent my side."  Great.  People who burn Teslas have nothing to do with the point I'm making either.  I'm talking only about elected officials, appointed officials, prominent lobbyists, prominent pundits.  I'm not talking about arsonists.

I didn't bring up people who burn Tesla cars.
It was never really on topic.



Jag149There are trade offs for both. Electric batteries weigh a ton and rape the landscape mining for materials. Expect to be purchasing tires more often. This puts more "tire pollution on the roads and at the recycle plant. When they get around to evaluating all things expect to pay more to register the car. The extra weight will require more road upkeep and they purchase no gas so add the tax portion to that. By the time you charge a battery at your home the T&D loss negates the efficiency saving of electric over gas. The power company will need to generate almost 2x the power. Both systems have trade offs. Personally I am looking for both to be replaced by Hydrogen burning or Hybrid Hydrogen battery cars. These have been handcuffed by the "old money" oil guys for years.

The weight of the batteries only gets cumbersome if you demand 300 mi driving range. If you accept say 150 mi driving range, the weights are pretty similar. And people outside of North America are more often willing to accept shorter driving ranges.
And as I said the different thread, different places have different power mixes, if you have a lot of nuclear or renewables in your local power mix, then the electric vehicle becomes a huge win for the environment, even with the mining and manufacturing drawbacks you point out.

Actually, you did bring up people burning Teslas.  Post #24, quoted above.

A 150 range is just not adequate for the vast majority of Americans.  I couldn't drive from Neptune Beach to Disney on a single charge.  As a second car for local commuting, fine, but who wants to be so limited in their primary vehicle?  The limited range is still a major drawback.

You went all the way back to post 24, and then you pretended not to notice that post 24 was in reply to post 21, which was by you. And post 21 was the first one to talk about burning other people's cars as a political move.

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How was the weather outside the Tesla dealership yesterday, Mike?  


Just kidding. I'm only busting your balls.

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Actually, you did bring up people burning Teslas.  Post #24, quoted above.

A 150 range is just not adequate for the vast majority of Americans.  I couldn't drive from Neptune Beach to Disney on a single charge.  As a second car for local commuting, fine, but who wants to be so limited in their primary vehicle?  The limited range is still a major drawback.

You went all the way back to post 24, and then you pretended not to notice that post 24 was in reply to post 21, which was by you. And post 21 was the first one to talk about burning other people's cars as a political move.

Hey Mike if your nice Sneakers will lower some food and water down into that hole your digging if you want.

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You're simply making excuses for the behavior of the left.  What "internal logic" supports the vandalism/destruction of a vehicle owned by a complete stranger (whose political views may ironically be aligned with your own)?

What makes you so sure an idiot who destroys a Tesla is "left"?  What if I tried to make you answer for the behavior of Warren Jeffs? You'd say, "that's not fair, he doesn't represent my side."  Great.  People who burn Teslas have nothing to do with the point I'm making either.  I'm talking only about elected officials, appointed officials, prominent lobbyists, prominent pundits.  I'm not talking about arsonists.

Actually, you did bring up people burning Teslas.  Post #24, quoted above.

A 150 range is just not adequate for the vast majority of Americans.  I couldn't drive from Neptune Beach to Disney on a single charge.  As a second car for local commuting, fine, but who wants to be so limited in their primary vehicle?  The limited range is still a major drawback.

You went all the way back to post 24, and then you pretended not to notice that post 24 was in reply to post 21, which was by you. And post 21 was the first one to talk about burning other people's cars as a political move.

LOL.  First you say you didn't, then you admit you did, but only because the devil made you do it.  
Show me the words "burning" or "fire" in post 21 and I'll proclaim you to be the greatest poster in the history of the message board.   Or just keep digging, your choice.

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What makes you so sure an idiot who destroys a Tesla is "left"?  What if I tried to make you answer for the behavior of Warren Jeffs? You'd say, "that's not fair, he doesn't represent my side."  Great.  People who burn Teslas have nothing to do with the point I'm making either.  I'm talking only about elected officials, appointed officials, prominent lobbyists, prominent pundits.  I'm not talking about arsonists.

You went all the way back to post 24, and then you pretended not to notice that post 24 was in reply to post 21, which was by you. And post 21 was the first one to talk about burning other people's cars as a political move.

LOL.  First you say you didn't, then you admit you did, but only because the devil made you do it.  
Show me the words "burning" or "fire" in post 21 and I'll proclaim you to be the greatest poster in the history of the message board.   Or just keep digging, your choice.

Vandalism, destruction, and burning are all synonyms in this case. Do you think there is a difference, morally or ethically, between someone who damages a Tesla with a sledgehammer and someone who damages it with fire?

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Ethical therapists only discuss politics with their patients if the patient brings up politics. 
There is no way that 90% of a therapist's patients are bringing a politics, so this therapist is either lying, or unethically bringing politics into the conversation himself.

I have no doubt that there are more liberals in therapy than conservatives, but the ratio isn't 9 to 1. And the cause has nothing to do with liberal politics per se, it is just that people from conservative or traditional backgrounds are more likely to associate therapy with shame.

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LOL.  First you say you didn't, then you admit you did, but only because the devil made you do it.  
Show me the words "burning" or "fire" in post 21 and I'll proclaim you to be the greatest poster in the history of the message board.   Or just keep digging, your choice.

Vandalism, destruction, and burning are all synonyms in this case. Do you think there is a difference, morally or ethically, between someone who damages a Tesla with a sledgehammer and someone who damages it with fire?

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Ethical therapists only discuss politics with their patients if the patient brings up politics. 
There is no way that 90% of a therapist's patients are bringing a politics, so this therapist is either lying, or unethically bringing politics into the conversation himself.

I have no doubt that there are more liberals in therapy than conservatives, but the ratio isn't 9 to 1. And the cause has nothing to do with liberal politics per se, it is just that people from conservative or traditional backgrounds are more likely to associate therapy with shame.

I see blame the therapist....nice deflection. Then close with a statement that you cannot prove.

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Vandalism, destruction, and burning are all synonyms in this case. Do you think there is a difference, morally or ethically, between someone who damages a Tesla with a sledgehammer and someone who damages it with fire?

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Ethical therapists only discuss politics with their patients if the patient brings up politics. 
There is no way that 90% of a therapist's patients are bringing a politics, so this therapist is either lying, or unethically bringing politics into the conversation himself.

I have no doubt that there are more liberals in therapy than conservatives, but the ratio isn't 9 to 1. And the cause has nothing to do with liberal politics per se, it is just that people from conservative or traditional backgrounds are more likely to associate therapy with shame.

I see blame the therapist....nice deflection. Then close with a statement that you cannot prove.

You don't actually think this random screenshot from Twitter is true do you?

If someone you love went to see a therapist, would you think it was okay for the therapist to ask that person their political leanings? Before this person said anything about politics themselves?

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I see blame the therapist....nice deflection. Then close with a statement that you cannot prove.

You don't actually think this random screenshot from Twitter is true do you?

If someone you love went to see a therapist, would you think it was okay for the therapist to ask that person their political leanings? Before this person said anything about politics themselves?

Vegans and lefties both have the same problem, it's their whole personality, so they can't help but tell you about it within seconds of being introduced.

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You don't actually think this random screenshot from Twitter is true do you?

If someone you love went to see a therapist, would you think it was okay for the therapist to ask that person their political leanings? Before this person said anything about politics themselves?

Vegans and lefties both have the same problem, it's their whole personality, so they can't help but tell you about it within seconds of being introduced.

Well said.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I see blame the therapist....nice deflection. Then close with a statement that you cannot prove.

You don't actually think this random screenshot from Twitter is true do you?

If someone you love went to see a therapist, would you think it was okay for the therapist to ask that person their political leanings? Before this person said anything about politics themselves?

Perhaps you are looking at how the data was collected all wrong.   Maybe it was a general poll with a question of party affiliation and another question of do you see a therapist.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

You don't actually think this random screenshot from Twitter is true do you?

If someone you love went to see a therapist, would you think it was okay for the therapist to ask that person their political leanings? Before this person said anything about politics themselves?

Perhaps you are looking at how the data was collected all wrong.   Maybe it was a general poll with a question of party affiliation and another question of do you see a therapist.

That's not what the screenshot says.

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Perhaps you are looking at how the data was collected all wrong.   Maybe it was a general poll with a question of party affiliation and another question of do you see a therapist.

That's not what the screenshot says.

The meme does not state how that number was achieved.  You assumed the poster asked each patient.  I merely suggested an alternative to your conclusion.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

That's not what the screenshot says.

The meme does not state how that number was achieved.  You assumed the poster asked each patient.  I merely suggested an alternative to your conclusion.

"90% of my patient load are liberals"
That's what he said.  How can he know that without discussing politics with his patients? You're saying he might have gotten that data from someone else's poll. No.  Those wouldn't be his patients.  They would be patients of any number of other therapists. 
Back to my statement, he is either unethical, or lying. The good news is, like most stuff that goes viral on social media, this is just something someone made up. It's a lie.  He's lying.

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You don't actually think this random screenshot from Twitter is true do you?

If someone you love went to see a therapist, would you think it was okay for the therapist to ask that person their political leanings? Before this person said anything about politics themselves?

Vegans and lefties both have the same problem, it's their whole personality, so they can't help but tell you about it within seconds of being introduced.

Such people still aren't 90% of his patient load unless he's in a deep-blue big city.

And no, lefties aren't like vegans in this regard, not in my experience.

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The meme does not state how that number was achieved.  You assumed the poster asked each patient.  I merely suggested an alternative to your conclusion.

"90% of my patient load are liberals"
That's what he said.  How can he know that without discussing politics with his patients? You're saying he might have gotten that data from someone else's poll. No.  Those wouldn't be his patients.  They would be patients of any number of other therapists. 
Back to my statement, he is either unethical, or lying. The good news is, like most stuff that goes viral on social media, this is just something someone made up. It's a lie.  He's lying.

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Vegans and lefties both have the same problem, it's their whole personality, so they can't help but tell you about it within seconds of being introduced.

Such people still aren't 90% of his patient load unless he's in a deep-blue big city.

And no, lefties aren't like vegans in this regard, not in my experience.

I am saying if nearly 90% of all people that seek therapy are liberals, then would it not be safe to say that nearly 90% of his patients are liberals?  

You are so finite in your conclusions when a conservative viewpoint is at question.  He is either unethical for discussing politics or lying.  Period!  No room for discussion!  Yet when a question concerning a liberal viewpoint you bounce around like Sonic The Hedgehog.  I actually agree with you though, 9 out of 10 sounds high but 3 out of 4 sounds plausible to me.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

The meme does not state how that number was achieved.  You assumed the poster asked each patient.  I merely suggested an alternative to your conclusion.

"90% of my patient load are liberals"
That's what he said.  How can he know that without discussing politics with his patients? You're saying he might have gotten that data from someone else's poll. No.  Those wouldn't be his patients.  They would be patients of any number of other therapists. 
Back to my statement, he is either unethical, or lying. The good news is, like most stuff that goes viral on social media, this is just something someone made up. It's a lie.  He's lying.

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Vegans and lefties both have the same problem, it's their whole personality, so they can't help but tell you about it within seconds of being introduced.

Such people still aren't 90% of his patient load unless he's in a deep-blue big city.

And no, lefties aren't like vegans in this regard, not in my experience.

Because 9 out of 10 of his patients include their politics as part of the crisis they went to him to address (TDS, irrational climate fear, civil rights anxiety, hallucinating Nazis everywhere, impulse to commit political violence, etc.). You're free to discount it since it seems you don't know any lefties (lol) but most of us know exactly how true my statement is in the real world.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

"90% of my patient load are liberals"
That's what he said.  How can he know that without discussing politics with his patients? You're saying he might have gotten that data from someone else's poll. No.  Those wouldn't be his patients.  They would be patients of any number of other therapists. 
Back to my statement, he is either unethical, or lying. The good news is, like most stuff that goes viral on social media, this is just something someone made up. It's a lie.  He's lying.

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Such people still aren't 90% of his patient load unless he's in a deep-blue big city.

And no, lefties aren't like vegans in this regard, not in my experience.

I am saying if nearly 90% of all people that seek therapy are liberals, then would it not be safe to say that nearly 90% of his patients are liberals?  

You are so finite in your conclusions when a conservative viewpoint is at question.  He is either unethical for discussing politics or lying.  Period!  No room for discussion!  Yet when a question concerning a liberal viewpoint you bounce around like Sonic The Hedgehog.  I actually agree with you though, 9 out of 10 sounds high but 3 out of 4 sounds plausible to me.

I don't see lefty points of view posted here, and when I do (anyone remember TDoss) someone else always squashes them before I get there.

HB just posted a video where Thomas Sowell responds to AOC.  I had nothing to add.  AOC was overly broad and inaccurate in her statements, and Sowell's takedown was well done.

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"90% of my patient load are liberals"
That's what he said.  How can he know that without discussing politics with his patients? You're saying he might have gotten that data from someone else's poll. No.  Those wouldn't be his patients.  They would be patients of any number of other therapists. 
Back to my statement, he is either unethical, or lying. The good news is, like most stuff that goes viral on social media, this is just something someone made up. It's a lie.  He's lying.

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Such people still aren't 90% of his patient load unless he's in a deep-blue big city.

And no, lefties aren't like vegans in this regard, not in my experience.

I am saying if nearly 90% of all people that seek therapy are liberals, then would it not be safe to say that nearly 90% of his patients are liberals?  

You are so finite in your conclusions when a conservative viewpoint is at question.  He is either unethical for discussing politics or lying.  Period!  No room for discussion!  Yet when a question concerning a liberal viewpoint you bounce around like Sonic The Hedgehog.  I actually agree with you though, 9 out of 10 sounds high but 3 out of 4 sounds plausible to me.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I am saying if nearly 90% of all people that seek therapy are liberals, then would it not be safe to say that nearly 90% of his patients are liberals?  

You are so finite in your conclusions when a conservative viewpoint is at question.  He is either unethical for discussing politics or lying.  Period!  No room for discussion!  Yet when a question concerning a liberal viewpoint you bounce around like Sonic The Hedgehog.  I actually agree with you though, 9 out of 10 sounds high but 3 out of 4 sounds plausible to me.

Maybe you should ask questions before you jump to conclusions! Because you usually assume wrong.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Maybe you should ask questions before you jump to conclusions! Because you usually assume wrong.

Lol, I've never been wrong about you.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato