And you have ZERO idea what the amount of interest he's receiving is.  ZERO.

 

None of us do. I see a top prospect in the cutups I watch.  I'd be fine with him at 3.

Actually that is well publicized.

 

Visits, workouts, pro days, who's attending, who's inviting, is all public knowledge. It's easy to see who is showing more attention to whom.

 

That's why the mock drafts change so much. As the media sees these things they adjust accordingly.

 

In reality it is the early mocks that are just guessing. The later mocks are bolstered by observation and information.

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Actually that is well publicized.

 

Visits, workouts, pro days, who's attending, who's inviting, is all public knowledge. It's easy to see who is showing more attention to whom.

 

That's why the mock drafts change so much. As the media sees these things they adjust accordingly.

 

In reality it is the early mocks that are just guessing. The later mocks are bolstered by observation and information.

 

Bridgewater has visited (or has a visit scheduled) with almost every team in the top 10. So what is your point?

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Well he's visiting with the Jaguars, who have the third pick

So are all the QBs. The important thing to notice is who they bring back.

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Bridgewater has visited (or has a visit scheduled) with almost every team in the top 10. So what is your point?

He also scheduled with the pats.

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Bridgewater has visited (or has a visit scheduled) with almost every team in the top 10. So what is your point?

The way he was being hyped there was no point to schedule a visit outside of Houston.

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Actually that is well publicized.

 

Visits, workouts, pro days, who's attending, who's inviting, is all public knowledge. It's easy to see who is showing more attention to whom.

 

That's why the mock drafts change so much. As the media sees these things they adjust accordingly.

 

In reality it is the early mocks that are just guessing. The later mocks are bolstered by observation and information.

 

How do you explain Nassib being mocked in the first round, Manuel being mocked in the second, and nobody dreaming that Geno would fall like he did last year?

 

There are some things that are publicized, but I remember players we've drafted in the past saying, "I had no idea they were interested.  They didn't even meet with me!"

 

Those things you list are poor indicators of a player's value, and has already been pointed out, Bridgewater has meetings with quite a few top teams, anyway.

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How do you explain Nassib being mocked in the first round, Manuel being mocked in the second, and nobody dreaming that Geno would fall like he did last year?

 

There are some things that are publicized, but I remember players we've drafted in the past saying, "I had no idea they were interested.  They didn't even meet with me!"

 

Those things you list are poor indicators of a player's value, and has already been pointed out, Bridgewater has meetings with quite a few top teams, anyway.

People tend to overrate QBs in mocks is pretty much what that shows.

 

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I dont know about overrated to underrated... however I do think Bridgewater has gone from improperly rated to properly rated.  He is the most QB ready prospect in a class weak at the very top.  And he doesnt have the highest ceiling of those at the top.

 

Its easy for us to say "oh yea roll the dice".  But its a much scarier thing for a GM when your career is staked to whichever QB you take that high.  I get the impression Caldwell is smart enough to realize that.

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His tape isnt that good, he hit his first read everytime if he was open even if it was a short hitch on 3rd and 7. He RARLEY went downfield and when he did... Lets just say it was far from impressive, his balls wobble, he played against low competition, he throws a lot of passes that dont have the required velocity and would be picked off in the NFL. Now don't say "Well 90% of johnnys balls would be picks" because you saw that one play against alabama.

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Trolls gonna troll. 

I think Teddy is just more fairly valued now, with the further analysis and scrutiny he has been subjected to.  He's not a 'walk on water' prospect QB, such as was Luck and RG3.  He's a very good QB prospect in a draft class void of any elite QB prospects. 

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Not a fan of Bridgewater, not really a fan of Bridgewater or for that matter Bortles. I prefer Johnny Manziel, Carr or Mettenberger 

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How do you explain Nassib being mocked in the first round, Manuel being mocked in the second, and nobody dreaming that Geno would fall like he did last year?

 

Whoah there...

 

When you have a weak QB class, draftniks always overshoot QB value when in reality the clubs know their true value and that's why those QBs fall on draft day.  It happened with Clausen, Quinn, and others.  In the end, I'm not sure why anyone would have been surprised with Geno, and they shouldn't be if it happens again this year, too (especially with a deep class that doesn't seem to have much separating the so-called "top" from the middle.)  For Manuel, sometimes clubs fall in love with a guy.  Happened in TB with Josh Freeman, and someone will probably overdraft Logan Thomas because of his ideal build.   Just like planet theory for linemen, ideal sized QBs can get overdrafted.

 

A lot of this wild variance across the boards is because there didn't used to be every slappy on the planet having their own website, and every channel having half a dozen self-proclaimed draftnicks talking draft 365 days a year.

 

To be frank, there are a lot of guys out there without a clue who don't have the connections etc. who are also encouraged by their media outlets to create stories and please viewers.

 

It's a circus today, with few truly capable of doing good homework on the draft.  Gone are the Rick Gosselin's of the world who refined the art of the mock.  Now it's all talking heads cackling like hens.  Even with some questionable calls lately, I still think Mayock is the closest to the mark (even though they all miss about as much as they hit.)  What you're seeing with Mayock is that, like Gosselin, he isn't afraid to change his board as he acquires more information.  Gosselin's was a three step process, where his final was a refinement of the first two, with last minute information from the clubs (if he could get it) to shape his opinion.

 

I think that's what you're seeing here, too.  As it gets closer to the draft, the closer we get to the truth and farther away from the far-too-early premature speculation that even the seasoned drafniks put out far too early in the process (without much reason to, other than for ratings.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

His tape isnt that good, he hit his first read everytime if he was open even if it was a short hitch on 3rd and 7. He RARLEY went downfield and when he did... Lets just say it was far from impressive, his balls wobble, he played against low competition, he throws a lot of passes that dont have the required velocity and would be picked off in the NFL. Now don't say "Well 90% of johnnys balls would be picks" because you saw that one play against alabama.

 

 

Bold #1 :Flat out pulled from your [BLEEP] and i doubt you have went back and tracked this in any way shape or form nor do you know what his reads are on any given play. Bridgewater is a master of hitting the sticks on 3rd down and carries the best 3rd down completion percentage of the big 3.

 

Bold #2 : Yet he won both of his bowl games and did so in stunning fashion. Nevermind the current NFL Qbs from small schools.

 

Bold#3 : You mean the corner routes he routinely hit? Or the deep comeback and deep dig routes he repeatedly hit in the 10-20 yard range? Ya know NFL routes that guys like Bortles and Manziel arent normally asked to throw.

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Im still a big fan of Bridgewater. I think he and Johnny or 1a and 1b for QB's.

 

I am, however, leaning to the Manziel bandwagon. IF Manziel can replicate what he did in college to the NFL and thats a big IF, this team could be in playoff contention right away. Say Manziel and Bridgewater play the exact same way in the NFL like they did in college, who would you take? I think I would go Johnny, but Bridge would also be a great pick. 

 

Im glad im not making this selection..

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Shock the world

In reality it is the early mocks that are just guessing. The later mocks are bolstered by observation and information.

It's actually quite the opposite. The early evaluations are based on what matters - games and tape. The later in the process we get the more the crap that doesn't matter gets thrown into the mix and media can twist that information to fit whatever opinion they want to have. 

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It's actually quite the opposite. The early evaluations are based on what matters - games and tape. The later in the process we get the more the crap that doesn't matter gets thrown into the mix and media can twist that information to fit whatever opinion they want to have. 

 

 

Yup. At this point people are trying to erase 3 seasons of outstanding tape showing great mechanics,leadership and mental ability and replace it with one offseason where he threw at a pro day without a glove he was used to.

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It's actually quite the opposite. The early evaluations are based on what matters - games and tape. The later in the process we get the more the crap that doesn't matter gets thrown into the mix and media can twist that information to fit whatever opinion they want to have. 

 

Well, partially correct.  The teams aren't changing their evaluations.  The issue is that the talking heads have no clue what they're thinking at the beginning of the process.  Not necessarily true as the draft gets closer.

 

What it's changing on, is based on getting a better idea of how teams actually feel about the guys.  Not just what all the amateur speculators think.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Whoah there...

 

When you have a weak QB class, draftniks always overshoot QB value when in reality the clubs know their true value and that's why those QBs fall on draft day.  It happened with Clausen, Quinn, and others.  In the end, I'm not sure why anyone would have been surprised with Geno, and they shouldn't be if it happens again this year, too (especially with a deep class that doesn't seem to have much separating the so-called "top" from the middle.)  For Manuel, sometimes clubs fall in love with a guy.  Happened in TB with Josh Freeman, and someone will probably overdraft Logan Thomas because of his ideal build.   Just like planet theory for linemen, ideal sized QBs can get overdrafted.

 

A lot of this wild variance across the boards is because there didn't used to be every slappy on the planet having their own website, and every channel having half a dozen self-proclaimed draftnicks talking draft 365 days a year.

 

To be frank, there are a lot of guys out there without a clue who don't have the connections etc. who are also encouraged by their media outlets to create stories and please viewers.

 

It's a circus today, with few truly capable of doing good homework on the draft.  Gone are the Rick Gosselin's of the world who refined the art of the mock.  Now it's all talking heads cackling like hens.  Even with some questionable calls lately, I still think Mayock is the closest to the mark (even though they all miss about as much as they hit.)  What you're seeing with Mayock is that, like Gosselin, he isn't afraid to change his board as he acquires more information.  Gosselin's was a three step process, where his final was a refinement of the first two, with last minute information from the clubs (if he could get it) to shape his opinion.

 

I think that's what you're seeing here, too.  As it gets closer to the draft, the closer we get to the truth and farther away from the far-too-early premature speculation that even the seasoned drafniks put out far too early in the process (without much reason to, other than for ratings.)

 

I agree with almost everything you've posted, save for the last paragraph.

 

I'm not convinced that we get any closer to the truth by the end of the process than the beginning, and I believe the wide amount of variance among media outlets bears this out.  Sure, you have guys who mock players in odd places to "shake things up" and guys who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about, but even the ones who do the research and talk to nameless scouts and GMs who they cite have no way to verify whether they're being fed misinformation or outright falsehood.

 

Essentially, the only real feel we have for what the 32 teams think of a guy is the draft itself.  The rest is all rabid speculation.

 

I do miss Gosselin.  Whatever happened to that guy?  Even Mayock, now that he's such a name, seems to do less work on the draft than he used to, IMO.

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I do miss Gosselin.  Whatever happened to that guy?  Even Mayock, now that he's such a name, seems to do less work on the draft than he used to, IMO.

 

I think Gosselin got promoted from the NFL beat to a full time columnist.

 

He was good too.

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Weak arm, skinny build, choked on pro day.  Bust.

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