Ever consider that Caldwell might not agree with other teams on Bridgewater?


The Best QB in the draft doesn't always go first.  Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.  Vince Young (and Matt Leinart) went over Jay Cutler.  Micahel Vick went before Drew Brees.  

 

Of course that's a consideration. 

 

However, I don't think this team was ever as enamored by Bridgewater as many in the media, or on this board. Especially not enough to part ways with multiple picks to go get him, or to select him at #3.  If he somehow slides to 39, I'd be fine with drafting him. 

 

Again, it's debatable he's the best QB in the draft.  Maybe he is?  Maybe he isn't?  We'll see.  I tend to think he isn't, and that's been my view all along based on my own observations. 

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That is exactly why you stay put and not trade away picks to move up for anybody.


You never know if an Aaron Rodgers will fall to you.

 

If you think you can trade up and get Aaron Rodgers, and aren't sure he's going to fall to you, then you should probably trade up for him. I don't think it's too much if Dave thinks he's the guy.  If Dave doesn't think he's the guy, I don't see him doing the trade in the first place.

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I will just throw this trade out there. In 2011 the 49ers traded up from pick #45 to pick #36 to select Kaepernick. To switch 2nd round picks with Denver they had to give up a 4th and a 5th round pick. 

 

My point is giving up a 3rd and 4th round pick to make your 2nd round pick a 1st round pick, isn't a bad thing esp for a QB you feel has 1st round talent....

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If you think you can trade up and get Aaron Rodgers, and aren't sure he's going to fall to you, then you should probably trade up for him. I don't think it's too much if Dave thinks he's the guy. If Dave doesn't think he's the guy, I don't see him doing the trade in the first place.

You dont know if he is truly Aaron Rodgers though. One of the many other QBs still available in rounds 2-3 could be the next Aaron Rodgers. Stay put, take what comes to you. Trading back into the first wont be cheap.

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You dont know if he is truly Aaron Rodgers though. One of the many other QBs still available in rounds 2-3 could be the next Aaron Rodgers. Stay put, take what comes to you. Trading back into the first wont be cheap.

 

Nobody knows anything about how any of the prospects will turn out.  Clowney could get injured in training camp, and never be able to play.  But it's the job of the General Manager to have a pretty good idea of how good a player will be.  You have to trust your scouting.  If you think the guy's an Aaron Rodgers -- you may not know for certain.  But if you can trade up to get him, better to get him, than to let your rivals get him, and have to face him twice a year.

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The only people knocking Teddy are major media that intentionally wants to stir the pot to drive ratings, and 'unnamed sources'. Virtually every other expert still has Teddy comfortably as the top QB in this class, and for obvious reasons.

 

Truth.  Mike Mayock claiming he "went back and look closer at the tape". lol thats a freakin joke and he should be ashamed of himself. The ESPN big wigs (who are usually claimed to be just talking heads regurgitating garbage as most of us jags fans can attest to being true.) are now suddenly the spot on and have all the "inside" information .

 

Nothing has happend to Bridgewater physically other than a meh pro day without his usual glove. He is still leaps and bounds ahead of every other QB prospect mentally and preparation wise which is why the Big Wigs have made it a point to spout on and on about Bortles "size" and Manziels "Fire" lol. If they focused on the traditional QB aspects of reading defenses, using touch and functional mobility in the pocket, situational awareness and controlling the offense it would put Bortles and Manziel to shame.

 

Also FBT we as humans are also known to take a narrative and run with it letting it build without anything backing it up. So far we've seen everything on Bridgewater from he has a weak arm to he lacks leadership and those fly directly in the face of mutiple years of college ball. Or something about him being scared of competition and the big stage yet he is 2-0 in Bowl games and seemed to actually get BETTER in those situations.

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Weird he could read defenses perfectly all season and drew non stop praise for it from coaches ,GMs and opponents alike but i guess he has forgotten all that the in last few weeks since he looked absolutely dominant against Miami in a bowl game picking them apart and routinely finding holes in the zones.

 

Weird he had a above average arm throughout college and is know to hit the deep comeback, 20 yard Dig, and out routes that all require a NFL arm but i guess he must have started  chomping down on bags of cheetoes and stopped working out becuase apparently he is weak armed and cant drive the ball in between spaces anymore.

 

I dont think he is a perfect prospect and TBH i wouldnt mind Manziel or if we took a 2nd rd QB instead but the guy is being trashed by hype not hyped but being trash. Its sickening to see these ESPN sheep flocking to whatever scrap of info they can and running with it. 

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Haha, its funny if people don't have Teddy as the number 1 QB God that it is some conspiracy theory lol

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Or something about him being scared of competition and the big stage yet he is 2-0 in Bowl games and seemed to actually get BETTER in those situations.

 

When you have 3-4 weeks to prepare for better teams, you should look good. 

 

I don't think many people question his talent, but just because he possibly is the best QB in this draft class, doesn't mean he is a top 5 prospect or even a top 10 one. If he or Manziel fell into the teens though I would look for us to trade up. 

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If you think you can trade up and get Aaron Rodgers, and aren't sure he's going to fall to you, then you should probably trade up for him. I don't think it's too much if Dave thinks he's the guy.  If Dave doesn't think he's the guy, I don't see him doing the trade in the first place.

 

Sorry, but I've seen nothing that suggests Ted is going to be another Aaron Rodgers.

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Truth.  Mike Mayock claiming he "went back and look closer at the tape". lol thats a freakin joke and he should be ashamed of himself. The ESPN big wigs (who are usually claimed to be just talking heads regurgitating garbage as most of us jags fans can attest to being true.) are now suddenly the spot on and have all the "inside" information .

 

Nothing has happend to Bridgewater physically other than a meh pro day without his usual glove. He is still leaps and bounds ahead of every other QB prospect mentally and preparation wise which is why the Big Wigs have made it a point to spout on and on about Bortles "size" and Manziels "Fire" lol. If they focused on the traditional QB aspects of reading defenses, using touch and functional mobility in the pocket, situational awareness and controlling the offense it would put Bortles and Manziel to shame.

 

Also FBT we as humans are also known to take a narrative and run with it letting it build without anything backing it up. So far we've seen everything on Bridgewater from he has a weak arm to he lacks leadership and those fly directly in the face of mutiple years of college ball. Or something about him being scared of competition and the big stage yet he is 2-0 in Bowl games and seemed to actually get BETTER in those situations.

 

I haven't seen much in the way of narratives talking about a weak arm, lack of leadership, or being scared of competition.  My whole issue here is related to the hype that has surrounded this kid.  You mention he's 2-0 in bowl games, and that's all fine and good.  Still, even those bowl games don't give you a good indication of what he'll face in the NFL. 

 

I'm not saying Bridgewater won't turn out to be a very good QB.  I just don't subscribe to the notion that he's head and shoulders better than anyone else in the draft.  He may be more NFL ready now, but there are other guys who could very easily have a higher ceiling. 

 

I wouldn't have a problem if the team drafted him.  I just don't personally think he's worth the #3 pick, and I wouldn't want to see the team trading up to get back into the 1st round later to grab him. 

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Sorry, but I've seen nothing that suggests Ted is going to be another Aaron Rodgers.

 

He's not. He is going to be his own player. I would say if he can continue to do what he did in college he will be a cross between Chad Pennington and Carson Palmer, but hopefully more consistent than either of those guys.

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Sorry, but I've seen nothing that suggests Ted is going to be another Aaron Rodgers.

 

Time will tell.  And of course it's still what Caldwell sees -- not anybody else.  Not you, not me, not Mel Kiper, or Gene Smith.  We all have things we like and dislike about players. In the end we're all just amateurs with opinions.

 

I don't think -- and I think you'd agree with me -- that when someone is drafted makes any difference as to how they play.  Going first, second, third, or fourth doesn't make one a better or worse player.  

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Nobody knows anything about how any of the prospects will turn out. Clowney could get injured in training camp, and never be able to play. But it's the job of the General Manager to have a pretty good idea of how good a player will be. You have to trust your scouting. If you think the guy's an Aaron Rodgers -- you may not know for certain. But if you can trade up to get him, better to get him, than to let your rivals get him, and have to face him twice a year.

I think you trust your scouting, but also be humble enough to know that you dont really know who is going to pan out. Dont put your eggs in one basket. Jmo


Its better to stay put with your two high picks and supplement them with as many late rounders as possible. It increases your odds of hitting a home run.

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Time will tell.  And of course it's still what Caldwell sees -- not anybody else.  Not you, not me, not Mel Kiper, or Gene Smith.  We all have things we like and dislike about players. In the end we're all just amateurs with opinions.

 

I don't think -- and I think you'd agree with me -- that when someone is drafted makes any difference as to how they play.  Going first, second, third, or fourth doesn't make one a better or worse player.  

 

No, but it does change the expectations for the player.  As unfair as that is, if a guy is drafted top 5, there's a pretty high bar set for what should be expected by both those in the media, and by fans. 

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I haven't seen much in the way of narratives talking about a weak arm, lack of leadership, or being scared of competition.  My whole issue here is related to the hype that has surrounded this kid.  You mention he's 2-0 in bowl games, and that's all fine and good.  Still, even those bowl games don't give you a good indication of what he'll face in the NFL. 

 

Pat White was 4-0 in bowl games.  So much for that argument.

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No, but it does change the expectations for the player.  As unfair as that is, if a guy is drafted top 5, there's a pretty high bar set for what should be expected by both those in the media, and by fans. 

I think that's actually totally fair.

 

Of course in the end what really matters is how everything pans out.  A lot of times, players will surpass expectations.  Others will fail to live up to them.  

 

Right now, personally I'd be weary about taking Bridgewater in the Top 3.  Despite believing in him, and having been a big supporter most of last year.  I still think he might be the best QB of this class.  Thankfully it's not my job to figure out if he is. If Caldwell were to select him, I'd be excited, and believe he has it in him because Caldwell so far hasn't made too many questionable decisions.  It's the same way I've felt about Manziel.  I personally don't think he'll succeed, but I'd find it hard not to be excited if Caldwell selected him at 3. 

 

Results are what matters in the end.  Time will tell on each player.  Their stories won't be done for years to come.  Hopefully if Jacksonville selects a QB this year, the story will be fantastic.  I know I wouldn't complain if Dave trades up for a QB -- at least not until it's proven to be a bad move.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Wait, you people are complaining that a 2, 3, and 4 to get the best QB in the draft is bad? Sheesh. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-nfl-draft

 

That's more than a bit assumptive.

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Agreed here, and I think Caldwell agrees, as well.  Giving up three valuable picks to draft a QB in free fall wouldn't make sense. 


 

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Nothing is guaranteed as far as player success in the NFL.

 

Draft pick quantity will always win out in the end, as the odds will be in your favor of hitting with more of the selections. 


 

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For those of you saying trading the 3rd and 4th round picks to move back to the 1st round would be a bad thing.....


 

From 2000 - 2013, the number of 3rd and 4th round picks that made the pro bowl is 62 out of 896 picks (not including compensatory picks). That is 6.9% of the picks taken during that 14 year span.

 

 

In contrast, the number of 1st round picks that have made the pro bowl is 167 out of 448 picks. That is 37.3% of the picks taken during that 14 year span.

 

Your odds of selecting a talented player actually increase in the first round. The more 1st round picks you have the better your odds are, not the other way around.

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For those of you saying trading the 3rd and 4th round picks to move back to the 1st round would be a bad thing.....


 

From 2000 - 2013, the number of 3rd and 4th round picks that made the pro bowl is 62 out of 896 picks (not including compensatory picks). That is 6.9% of the picks taken during that 14 year span.

 

 

In contrast, the number of 1st round picks that have made the pro bowl is 167 out of 448 picks. That is 37.3% of the picks taken during that 14 year span.

 

Your odds of selecting a talented player actually increase in the first round. The more 1st round picks you have the better your odds are, not the other way around.

 

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So we should trade away the players who are the foundation of the team and only pick guys in the first round because that's where the pro bowlers are found?

 

Seriously, you need those later round picks to identify good players who can become solid contributors.  Not every player drafted must make the pro bowl, and to be quite honest, I'm not sure the pro bowl should be a bar for any player drafted. 

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