Let's be honest Shack, for his entire career, all the gametape we have of him, he pretty much played against junior college level players. That's just the truth brother. 

 

Honestly though, the people I feel most bad for when talking about guys like Garapolo, are the really-really talented guys who didn't have the gaudy numbers because they played the best. Guys like McCarron, Shaw, Murray, Boyd. Hell, Tajh Boyd put up over 500 all purpose yards in that last bowl game, outgaining the entire Ohio State team by 78-yards himself! Just think of what guys like that could have and would have done in the woooooeful Ohio Valley Conference. I mean honestly, these guys would have been superstars.

I truly shudder to imagine a Winston or a Manziel playing in the OVC, against the likes of Austin Peay Governors week in and week out. Surely you have to agree on some level Shack.

 

IMO, when looking at the full-body of his work, Jimmy's only truly stellar season was his senior year, and even then he completed only 66 percent of his throws. Good numbers no doubt, but if I were looking at all these draftable QBs equally, I can't possibly fathom how the quarterback who played THE worst level of competition of any QB prospect doesn't have the highest everything statistically?...

 

FYI, Manziel boasted a 69.9% in the hardest conference in the nation, and Bridgewater had a 71.1 completion percentage. Both rank in the top 4 of all QBs in Division-1.

 

He completed only 66 percent of his throws?

 

Oh...the horror.

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Let's be honest Shack, for his entire career, all the gametape we have of him, he pretty much played against junior college level players. That's just the truth brother. 

 

Honestly though, the people I feel most bad for when talking about guys like Garapolo, are the really-really talented guys who didn't have the gaudy numbers because they played the best. Guys like McCarron, Shaw, Murray, Boyd. Hell, Tajh Boyd put up over 500 all purpose yards in that last bowl game, outgaining the entire Ohio State team by 78-yards himself! Just think of what guys like that could have and would have done in the woooooeful Ohio Valley Conference. I mean honestly, these guys would have been superstars.

I truly shudder to imagine a Winston or a Manziel playing in the OVC, against the likes of Austin Peay Governors week in and week out. Surely you have to agree on some level Shack.

 

IMO, when looking at the full-body of his work, Jimmy's only truly stellar season was his senior year, and even then he completed only 66 percent of his throws. Good numbers no doubt, but if I were looking at all these draftable QBs equally, I can't possibly fathom how the quarterback who played THE worst level of competition of any QB prospect doesn't have the highest everything statistically?...

 

FYI, Manziel boasted a 69.9% in the hardest conference in the nation, and Bridgewater had a 71.1 completion percentage. Both rank in the top 4 of all QBs in Division-1.

 

So now we've gone from JU level to junior college level competition? Pretty soon we'll be at high school level. What's next? i9 flag football level competition?

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He completed only 66 percent of his throws?

 

Oh...the horror.

Bridgewater

Manziel

Carr

Boyd

Bottles

McCarron

Gilbert

[BLEEP] Keith Price

All had higher completion percentages against indescribably harder competition/defenses. Very few of the top QB prospects in this draft couldn't have done just as good if not much better in the Ohio Valley Conference had they played there themselves.

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I want 3 players. Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel. Jaguars have the number 3 pick. Just give me one of those 3 at 3, and I'm happy.

 

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So now we've gone from JU level to junior college level competition? Pretty soon we'll be at high school level. What's next? i9 flag football level competition?

Aren't we already there?

 

 

just kidding

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I want 3 players. Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel. Jaguars have the number 3 pick. Just give me one of those 3 at 3, and I'm happy.

 

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Shack Del Rio
Haterade
Hurricane
Badger

Bridgewater

Manziel

Carr

Boyd

Bottles

McCarron

Gilbert

[BAD WORD REMOVED] Keith Price

All had higher completion percentages against indescribably harder competition/defenses. Very few of the top QB prospects in this draft couldn't have done just as good if not much better in the Ohio Valley Conference had they played there themselves.

 

Colt Brennan has the highest career comp % in NCAA history.


woopty doo

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Bridgewater

Manziel

Carr

Boyd

Bottles

McCarron

Gilbert

[BAD WORD REMOVED] Keith Price

All had higher completion percentages against indescribably harder competition/defenses. Very few of the top QB prospects in this draft couldn't have done just as good if not much better in the Ohio Valley Conference had they played there themselves.

 

again its 11 on 11. all kinds of factors that you cant possibly put into consideration. maybe his OL was terrible. maybe he had garbage for wide receivers? maybe the offense they ran made him throw more low percentage shots?

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

I hope we do not draft this guy at all. If he's available as a UDFA then I'm all for it. He has poor mechanics, played against terrible competition and has zero pocket awareness. He does not pass the eye test at all. He is solely an AAR player (arm, athletic, release guy). Maybe if he's coming here to sit for 3-4 years and we took him in round 5 cool but our team can't afford to draft someone at 39 to sit for 3 years.


I'm really not impressed and cant for the life of me understand why he is getting all this love. Carr is a much better prospect in my opinion. There are quite a few prospects better than him in my opinion


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I hope we do not draft this guy at all. If he's available as a UDFA then I'm all for it. He has poor mechanics, played against terrible competition and has zero pocket awareness. He does not pass the eye test at all. He is solely an AAR player (arm, athletic, release guy). Maybe if he's coming here to sit for 3-4 years and we took him in round 5 cool but our team can't afford to draft someone at 39 to sit for 3 years.


I'm really not impressed and ant for the life of me understand why he is getting all this love. Carr is a much better prospect in my opinion. There a quite a few prospects better than him in my opinion


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did you just make up that term "AAR player?"   from reading, it sounds like people are impressed most with his mental make up and his quick release. ive read his footwork needs a little refinement and that he needs to feel pressure better. but the competition argument is already one proven to be worthless. 

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

did you just make up that term "AAR player?" from reading, it sounds like people are impressed most with his mental make up and his quick release. ive read his footwork needs a little refinement and that he needs to feel pressure better. but the competition argument is already one proven to be worthless.

Lol yes it's a term I made up when I talk football with my friends. He does have mental make up because he gets up from hits due to lack of awareness and trust his arm even after picks but that's as far as that goes.


Again he looks just like a guy with a arm and a quick release to me. I don't doubt he could eventually be a good qb but would need to sit for a few years. Just at this point in his career I'm not impressed with him as a franchise qb.

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did you just make up that term "AAR player?"   from reading, it sounds like people are impressed most with his mental make up and his quick release. ive read his footwork needs a little refinement and that he needs to feel pressure better. but the competition argument is already one proven to be worthless. 

 

A little?

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A little?

 

a little. yes. the thing ive learned about players, especially quarterbacks, is that if theyre good and you want them on your team, dont try to change them too much. they started messing with rivers and his play dropped pretty bad. sometimes your footwork doesnt have to be prototypical for you to be a good player. 

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Other than them both being tall, I can't think of a single trait that they have in common. Mind explaining?

Sloppy mechanics under pressure, questionable pocket presence. Gabbert was drafted for his potential, as Bortles will be. I don't think Bortles will come close to Gabbert bust level, but I wouldn't be shocked if Bortles busted in the traditional sense.

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Does anybody hope for the sake of our team that the Jimmy thing is a smokescreen? It would be concerning to me if we found "our guy" at QB, and then just let everyone know about it. Something seems off with our love for Garoppolo.

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Sloppy mechanics under pressure, questionable pocket presence. Gabbert was drafted for his potential, as Bortles will be. I don't think Bortles will come close to Gabbert bust level, but I wouldn't be shocked if Bortles busted in the traditional sense.

I dont agree with these 2, thats some of his strengths.  He does wind the ball back sometimes right before his release but that coached.

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I dont agree with these 2, thats some of his strengths

 

Sloppy Mechanics under pressure, and questionable pocket presence aren't a strength.  Otherwise Gabbert would be our starter.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

did you just make up that term "AAR player?"   from reading, it sounds like people are impressed most with his mental make up and his quick release. ive read his footwork needs a little refinement and that he needs to feel pressure better. but the competition argument is already one proven to be worthless. 

Yeah competition argument isn't the greatest but to focus on other issues I  don't see a starter in him not at least for 3 years. He doesn't pass the eye test. If he can't get passed that one with me I don't even bother focusing on him as much as the others. Now if we are talking about a true 5-6 round prospect that we will develop over 2-3 years with hopes of becoming something then I can see him in that light. But at this very exact moment I wouldn't draft him earlier than that. 

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I dont agree with these 2, thats some of his strengths.  He does wind the ball back sometimes right before his release but that coached.

I can't remember the thread but someone posted a review of him playing on youtube. You might want to check it out. He has very poor mechanics under pressure and senses phantom pressure as well; coupled with poor pocket presences. These are issues that take time to be corrected,  if they ever can be in some players because these are more instinctual trait than actual mechanical. Eli was someone who could fix it, David Carr could not. We will see if Blaine ever does. 

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I dont agree with these 2, thats some of his strengths. He does wind the ball back sometimes right before his release but that coached.

Watch for when he gets out of the pocket or getting rushed a bit. He changes his throwing motion and it screws with his accuracy a good bit. Something I could see having a snowball effect in the NFL. I'm also extremely harsh on QBs. Gabbert ruined my innocence with QB evaluation.

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Yeah competition argument isn't the greatest but to focus on other issues I  don't see a starter in him not at least for 3 years. He doesn't pass the eye test. If he can't get passed that one with me I don't even bother focusing on him as much as the others. Now if we are talking about a true 5-6 round prospect that we will develop over 2-3 years with hopes of becoming something then I can see him in that light. But at this very exact moment I wouldn't draft him earlier than that. 

 

3+ years for what? if he needs seasoning, you can do that in 1 year. i mean maybe 2 if youre super raw. but to project 3 whole years is kind of outlandish.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

3+ years for what? if he needs seasoning, you can do that in 1 year. i mean maybe 2 if youre super raw. but to project 3 whole years is kind of outlandish.

Maybe I'm from the old school of thought but years ago guys would sit on the bench for what seemed like an eternity before they were ready to play. This whole microwave culture has changed everyone's opinions of how long somes guys need before they are ready and although there have been very few to play well early the fact remains that most of these guys play to early before the time they should. The nature of the position causes these guys to get over drafted and put in situations way before they are ready.

 

When I look at JG I see a guy who need quite some time to develop. That's not a bad thing. If he sits for three years and becomes Aaron Rodgers it was all worth it. Don't get caught in the hype of the Luck's, Ryan's and Manning's of the world (Peyton not Eli to prove my point). These guys need time and some need a lot of time. Some need adequate situations to be in and the right system. He is one of those players and it is nothing wrong with that but if you think he will be ready after a season or two then you and I are not looking at the same player. 

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