1. She initially said the guy who raped her was 5'10 with straight hair. Then a month later it was a 6'4 guy who didn't have straight hair. She left Pots with Jameis and he took her home after they had sex. I guess most people ride home with their rapist after it takes place?

 

2. The girl was a well known sorority skank who chased athletes. Why would Jameis need to rape her?

 

None of her story adds up because she is FOS. No charges were pursued because she's FOS. You can continue to side with her though because you are a woman and so is she.

Yes...it's just because I'm a woman. And everyone else in this thread that sides with her is FSU haters/ Gator homers...You've got it all figured out.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Of course she's the liar....

Ok so just lay it out on the table how you feel about the case. I'm not sure what you are looking for. I don't know if he did it. It is entirely possible he did. It isn't like her side doesn't have a lot of questions or inconsistencies. Both sides do. She may have been raped. she may not have. I don't know. Do you know something I don't?

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Ok so just lay it out on the table how you feel about the case. I'm not sure what you are looking for. I don't know if he did it. It is entirely possible he did. It isn't like her side doesn't have a lot of questions or inconsistencies. Both sides do. She may have been raped. she may not have. I don't know. Do you know something I don't?

Always side with the woman, even when facts point to her being a liar.

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Always side with the woman, even when facts point to her being a liar.

Obviously her lying or inconsistencies are a big reason they didn't prosecute. Maybe she is a liar because she is a liar. Maybe she lied because she felt intimidated or just wanted someone to know she was raped, but didnt want out someone as high profile as Jameis and changed her mind. Maybe the family convinced her she was raped when she wasn't. I mean there are so many reasons for why she lied. Add that to her having a twitter account named cleatchasers doesn't help her credibility. Ultimately it leaves more questions then answers.

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Obviously her lying or inconsistencies are a big reason they didn't prosecute. Maybe she is a liar because she is a liar. Maybe she lied because she felt intimidated or just wanted someone to know she was raped, but didnt want out someone as high profile as Jameis and changed her mind. Maybe the family convinced her she was raped when she wasn't. I mean there are so many reasons for why she lied. Add that to her having a twitter account named cleatchasers doesn't help her credibility. Ultimately it leaves more questions then answers.

 

Then again, maybe she's not lying.  

 

She's certainly persistent.   She's not giving up.   The police did bungle the investigation.   There was a tape that was destroyed by a witness.   And there was the other young woman who wound up in counseling after a consensual sexual encounter with Winston.   What happened to that other young woman that was so weird/depressing/creepy she wound up seeking counseling?  

 

They did find his DNA on the one who accused him of rape and he admitted having sex with her.    What would motivate her to accuse him of rape if it was consensual?   She would have been better off just letting it go.   But she didn't.   She came forward and pressed the case.  

 

Something isn't right here.   Sometimes you can just look at the totality of the facts, and say, something bad happened to her and to that other girl, too. 

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Then again, maybe she's not lying.


She's certainly persistent. She's not giving up. The police did bungle the investigation. There was a tape that was destroyed by a witness. And there was the other young woman who wound up in counseling after a consensual sexual encounter with Winston. What happened to that other young woman that was so weird/depressing/creepy she wound up seeking counseling?


They did find his DNA on the one who accused him of rape and he admitted having sex with her. What would motivate her to accuse him of rape if it was consensual? She would have been better off just letting it go. But she didn't. She came forward and pressed the case.


Something isn't right here. Sometimes you can just look at the totality of the facts, and say, something bad happened to her and to that other girl, too.

She probably felt bad or guilty about having sex with him and having Casher and Darby walk in on it so she decided to cry rape.


Or she decided to make this a smear campaign.

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I don't have a dog in this fight. I like FSU. I also like UF, and most of the other Florida college teams. I think I can be impartial when I give my opinion about this. So, that said, Maybe the school and local authorities did a lousy job with the investigation. All we know is that it's one journalist's opinion, perhaps supported by those who may or may not have an agenda. For all I know, the writer could be completely right, in which case, this would be a travesty. 

 

However...... The investigation has run it's course, and Winston has been vetted in the eyes of the prosecutor responsible for the case. Can it be re-visited? Sure, but hopefully not in the media. If it is re-visited, hopefully it is done without daily press conferences, paparazzi style following, and the ensuing circus which is bound to follow.

 

For all those on BOTH sides, the best thing that could happen is to let the proper authorities do their jobs unmolested and get to as much of the truth as possible. In the meantime, as far as I am concerned, Winston has been investigated and cleared insomuch as there is not enough supporting evidence to charge him with anything. Until that changes, the guy should be left alone.

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Then again, maybe she's not lying.


She's certainly persistent. She's not giving up. The police did bungle the investigation. There was a tape that was destroyed by a witness. And there was the other young woman who wound up in counseling after a consensual sexual encounter with Winston. What happened to that other young woman that was so weird/depressing/creepy she wound up seeking counseling?


They did find his DNA on the one who accused him of rape and he admitted having sex with her. What would motivate her to accuse him of rape if it was consensual? She would have been better off just letting it go. But she didn't. She came forward and pressed the case.


Something isn't right here. Sometimes you can just look at the totality of the facts, and say, something bad happened to her and to that other girl, too.

Maybe. I don't know. The other girl didn't actually say those things first person. We also don't know her mental make up, etc... to me unless something more comes out, it's hard to take much from it. It definitely seems TPD made mistakes or possibly you could go further and say they did cover up type things. But that doesn't make him guilty nor does it make him innocent. Honestly I just don't know.

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Well, when you're a liar...

Jameis or the girl?

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"Allegedly", raped isn't being raped. You can believe either side of the story you wish as it's your right to do so.. But in the eyes of the law, the law stated that no rape occurred.. 

With the investigation that was done it was determined. That being said, it was a botched (to put in nicely) investigation as pointed out from just about everyone.

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What does that even mean? We would need more to the story then that.

If that doesn't make your wheel house start turning nothing will.

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None of her story adds up because she is FOS. No charges were pursued because she's FOS. You can continue to side with her though because you are a woman and so is she.

No, that's not the reason at all.

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None of us know the details so we should stop pretending like we know what happened.

 

All we know is that they f'd up the investigation. It seems like with all rape cases its guilty till proven innocent. I get it. Its a very sensitive issue. But you can not condemn the kid because the investigation was mishandled. 

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Then again, maybe she's not lying.  

 

She's certainly persistent.   She's not giving up.   The police did bungle the investigation.   There was a tape that was destroyed by a witness.   And there was the other young woman who wound up in counseling after a consensual sexual encounter with Winston.   What happened to that other young woman that was so weird/depressing/creepy she wound up seeking counseling?  

 

They did find his DNA on the one who accused him of rape and he admitted having sex with her.    What would motivate her to accuse him of rape if it was consensual?   She would have been better off just letting it go.   But she didn't.   She came forward and pressed the case.  

 

Something isn't right here.   Sometimes you can just look at the totality of the facts, and say, something bad happened to her and to that other girl, too. 

Not to mention the big FSU booster who started th investigation didn't look at any of the cameras in the bar "didn't look into it", when the bar had 30 some off cameras.

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Not to mention the big FSU booster who started th investigation didn't look at any of the cameras in the bar "didn't look into it", when the bar had 30 some off cameras.

Or if you are ever alleged to have committed a crime...see if the police just give you a curtesy call and don't show up and have you come in for questioning.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

With the investigation that was done it was determined. That being said, it was a botched (to put in nicely) investigation as pointed out from just about everyone.

Is he a free man? Yup.. That said, the sexual act that took place, if she was being forced to perform that sexual act, Jameis Winston would be missing a vital piece that would consider him a male.


I guess someone who is openly a "Cleat Chaser", is extremely credible and would NEVER try to exploit a star athelete..

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and thats where the i believe the evidence was tampered with. 

 

Most police departments send evidence such as that to an outside organization or larger agency for testing. Usually, they can't "tamper" with it even if they wanted.

 

If you're pro-Winston, the police did everything they could. If you're anti-Winston, they're corrupt and covered up the actual events. It seems like everyone is one or the other.

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2. The girl was a well known sorority skank who chased athletes. Why would Jameis need to rape her?

 

 

 

Thank goodness for that! I was worried the police were at worst complicit and at best incompetent. But since its a fact that she was a well known skank, I'm just glad they didn't waste valuable time and resources investigating her stupid claims. Can you imagine if Winston had had to miss a practice dealing with this [BLEEP]?

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Just to be different, Bortles.

Most police departments send evidence such as that to an outside organization or larger agency for testing. Usually, they can't "tamper" with it even if they wanted.

 

If you're pro-Winston, the police did everything they could. If you're anti-Winston, they're corrupt and covered up the actual events. It seems like everyone is one or the other.

 

I'm not anti or pro Winston, I have no idea what actually happened. You don't have to have a horse in this race (although quite frankly anyone who puts football ahead of a rape investigation is wrong in the head) to see the police investigation was a joke and because of that we will never know what happened.

 

A woman claimed she was raped, I don't care if she is a hooker with a sex addiction, if someone alleges a crime of that severity, the police who are there to protect us should investigate fully and that clearly didn't happen. Some of the language being used on here regarding the alleged victim makes me feel quite ill. I honestly hope you people dismissing her as a 'skank' or a 'cleat chaser' don't have daughters.

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Just to be different, Bortles.

I'm not anti or pro Winston, I have no idea what actually happened. You don't have to have a horse in this race (although quite frankly anyone who puts football ahead of a rape investigation is wrong in the head) to see the police investigation was a joke and because of that we will never know what happened.


A woman claimed she was raped, I don't care if she is a hooker with a sex addiction, if someone alleges a crime of that severity, the police who are there to protect us should investigate fully and that clearly didn't happen. Some of the language being used on here regarding the alleged victim makes me feel quite ill. I honestly hope you people dismissing her as a 'skank' or a 'cleat chaser' don't have daughters.

Having daughters has NOTHING to do with it.. Having a daughter who enguages in sexual activity with star athletes for the status alone, is another thing.. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, must be a duck.. She gets no benefit of a doubt simply because she's a woman.. Thats ridiculous..

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