It's easy for people to claim being accurate when using their sources mock draft among the dozens of dumb mocks they posted throughout the year.

 

And frankly who would you rather follow, the guy predicting the draft accurately even the dumbest decision or the guy being wrong about the draft order but right about the player pro success ?

 

If it were easy, everyone would be good at it.

 

As you've suggested, having a good idea of which way a team is selecting and having a good idea of a players' future success are two entirely different animals.

 

So, when you find someone who cuts through all the hype and smoke who you find you can trust to make objective evaluations, it's natural to give their opinions more weight.

 

And as always, if you want to nitpick and play outliers, you'll never find anyone to follow if you're looking for perfection.  At the same time, that also illustrates why no one person's word is gospel.

 

But again, if you have someone who has a reputable track record over time, then you've found someone you can trust.  We all use similar criteria to determine who we decide to trust in our daily lives (I would hope.)

 

So, if you're looking for an accurate mock you probably want Gosselin or Mayock.  Gosselin doesn't do them anymore, but he's still writing articles that give you a lot o good information about the draft, the process, and what he's getting from his inside contacts.  If you're looking for accurate projection of a player, I again recommend Mayock but also Greg Cosell.  For player evaluations, you have to understand that most guys are better at evaluating some positions than others.  That's natural, based on their background and experience (particularly if they have played the game.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Agreed.  So is the level of competition. 

 

Bridgewater is a good QB, but pick 3 good?  I just don't think so.

 

Roethlisberger came from a comparable level of competition.

 

Would you not take him 3rd overall?

 

McNair came from a lower level of competition.

 

As loathe as I am to give the Titans any positive credit whatsoever, were they mistaken in taking McNair 3rd overall?

 

Could you argue Bridgewater doesn't have Big Ben's size, McNair's mobility, and neither's arm strength?

 

Sure.

 

But you could also argue neither Big Ben nor McNair had Bridgewater's football mind when they came out.

 

I don't think competition serves as a significant knock here.

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Roethlisberger came from a comparable level of competition.

 

Would you not take him 3rd overall?

 

McNair came from a lower level of competition.

 

As loathe as I am to give the Titans any positive credit whatsoever, were they mistaken in taking McNair 3rd overall?

 

Could you argue Bridgewater doesn't have Big Ben's size, McNair's mobility, and neither's arm strength?

 

Sure.

 

But you could also argue neither Big Ben nor McNair had Bridgewater's football mind when they came out.

 

I don't think competition serves as a significant knock here.

 

But Big Ben and McNair had what few QBs have... ideal size.  That's something Ted doesn't have, and it's why Bortles has risen (just as Manuel did vs Geno last year.)

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columni...ollege.ece

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">But understand that the NFL draft is not about college production. It’s about a player’s measurables. It always has been and always will be. The NFL covets players who best fit the position prototypes, because having the ideal height, weight, strength and speed give them the best chance for success at the next level.

 

Right or wrong, coaches and GMs have a hubris that lends them to gravitate towards the most ideal sized prospects (not necessarily the most productive) because they believe they "make" the players.

 

In that light, it's very easy to understand why Ted were to slide (if he does... Again, this is simply assuming he does for the sake of conversation.)

 

As far as taking a QB 3rd overall that needs seasoning as McNair did, Houston did give him the opportunity to sit and develop before handing him the keys.  I doubt any QB we take, should we take one at 3, would be given that amount of patience by the fanbase even though they should.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

But Big Ben and McNair had what few QBs have... ideal size.  That's something Ted doesn't have, and it's why Bortles has risen (just as Manuel did vs Geno last year.)

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columni...ollege.ece

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">But understand that the NFL draft is not about college production. It’s about a player’s measurables. It always has been and always will be. The NFL covets players who best fit the position prototypes, because having the ideal height, weight, strength and speed give them the best chance for success at the next level.

 

Right or wrong, coaches and GMs have a hubris that lends them to gravitate towards the most ideal sized prospects (not necessarily the most productive) because they believe they "make" the players.

 

In that light, it's very easy to understand why Ted were to slide (if he does... Again, this is simply assuming he does for the sake of conversation.)

 

As far as taking a QB 3rd overall that needs seasoning as McNair did, Houston did give him the opportunity to sit and develop before handing him the keys.  I doubt any QB we take, should we take one at 3, would be given that amount of patience by the fanbase even though they should.

 

I think regardless of what the fanbase wants, whatever QB we draft will sit for at least part of the season, unless we have a Wilson-Flynn scenario where the new guy outclasses Henne.  Even if we were to grab Manziel or Teddy or Bortles at 3, this would be the case IMO.

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I think regardless of what the fanbase wants, whatever QB we draft will sit for at least part of the season, unless we have a Wilson-Flynn scenario where the new guy outclasses Henne.  Even if we were to grab Manziel or Teddy or Bortles at 3, this would be the case IMO.

 

I agree that's what should happen, but I unfortunately believe this franchise is so QB starved it probably wouldn't be as patient as it should.  I think most would be too eager to take the new car out for a spin before it's race prepped.

 

We're going have our share of struggles this season, and since we're more than a QB away I'd hope most would realize there's no use forcing the rookie to play too soon.  Yes, a Wilson rookie season is rare but possible (if not improbable), but a first round draft pick comes with an expectation that's probably higher than what should be put on the QBs in this crop.  I don't think that kind of baggage would come with a QB in the second, and certainly not with later rounds.

 

That's why, IMO, some fans were/are expecting more from a QB class than I believe it has to offer.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

But Big Ben and McNair had what few QBs have... ideal size.  That's something Ted doesn't have, and it's why Bortles has risen (just as Manuel did vs Geno last year.)

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columni...ollege.ece

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">But understand that the NFL draft is not about college production. It’s about a player’s measurables. It always has been and always will be. The NFL covets players who best fit the position prototypes, because having the ideal height, weight, strength and speed give them the best chance for success at the next level.

 

Right or wrong, coaches and GMs have a hubris that lends them to gravitate towards the most ideal sized prospects (not necessarily the most productive) because they believe they "make" the players.

 

In that light, it's very easy to understand why Ted were to slide (if he does... Again, this is simply assuming he does for the sake of conversation.)

 

As far as taking a QB 3rd overall that needs seasoning as McNair did, Houston did give him the opportunity to sit and develop before handing him the keys.  I doubt any QB we take, should we take one at 3, would be given that amount of patience by the fanbase even though they should.

 

Understand that completely.

 

But I also understand why so many teams can miss.

 

That's why QB hungry teams can pass on Drew Brees until the 2nd round.

 

That's why a guy like Montana can last until the 3rd.

 

Realize that under your size rationale, you'd draft Jonathan Quinn before Teddy Bridgewater...Blaine Gabbert before Mark Brunell.

 

Bridgewater may well drop out of the top ten due to size.

 

That doesn't mean he won't be a productive QB.

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Understand that completely.

 

But I also understand why so many teams can miss.

 

That's why QB hungry teams can pass on Drew Brees until the 2nd round.

 

That's why a guy like Montana can last until the 3rd.

 

Realize that under your size rationale, you'd draft Jonathan Quinn before Teddy Bridgewater...Blaine Gabbert before Mark Brunell.

 

Bridgewater may well drop out of the top ten due to size.

 

That doesn't mean he won't be a productive QB.

 

Completely agree.  That's the definition of drafting the correct value.  If you see risk in the player (such as less than ideal traits) then you set value accordingly.

 

Harbaugh said he thought Kaepernick was the best player in the draft.  That doesn't mean they should have drafted him as high as they could.  You seek to value the player's stock to the best of your ability and draft them as close to that as you can.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Completely agree. That's the definition of drafting the correct value. If you see risk in the player (such as less than ideal traits) then you set value accordingly.


Harbaugh said he thought Kaepernick was the best player in the draft. That doesn't mean they should have drafted him as high as they could. You seek to value the player's stock to the best of your ability and draft them as close to that as you can.

It's an unnecessary risk. Someone jumps San Fran for Kap and Harbaugh regrets it. It's a huge bonus if it works but I think it's too risky for a position that's so important.

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It's an unnecessary risk. Someone jumps San Fran for Kap and Harbaugh regrets it. It's a huge bonus if it works but I think it's too risky for a position that's so important.

Somewhat correct, right now I would have loved to have stayed put in the same draft and lost out.

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It's an unnecessary risk. Someone jumps San Fran for Kap and Harbaugh regrets it. It's a huge bonus if it works but I think it's too risky for a position that's so important.

 

Absolutely no one is irreplaceable.  You draft for value, period.  If you miss, you learn from it, and move on.  There's always another player.

 

It's their job to know when another team is likely to take a player.  You weigh the interest against the likely selection.  It's why teams move when they have to, and don't when it's not necessary.

 

What you're advocating is an Alualu selection, and that's simply indefensible no matter how you spin it.  The Kaepernick, Wilson, Brady, Montana, etc, etc picks prove otherwise, that proper value (not overdrafting as you suggest) is well, priceless.  You never jump the gun and always fit the pick to value as best you can.  That's why if those players were "re-drafted", they would prefer to take them exactly where they went.  As low (not high) as possible.

 

But then, David Hannum was right I suppose.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-exgm-says

 

"I think the media has Teddy Bridgewater in the top 10, but around league circles he's more like a late first, early second-round pick," Savage said Thursday on SiriusXM NFL Radio.

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Some on here blame the media for his "stock dropping" but from this guy, in reality the media is trying to help him and has him higher than were he should be.  Hmmmm ^

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Absolutely no one is irreplaceable. You draft for value, period. If you miss, you learn from it, and move on. There's always another player.


It's their job to know when another team is likely to take a player. You weigh the interest against the likely selection. It's why teams move when they have to, and don't when it's not necessary.


What you're advocating is an Alualu selection, and that's simply indefensible no matter how you spin it. The Kaepernick, Wilson, Brady, Montana, etc, etc picks prove otherwise, that proper value (not overdrafting as you suggest) is well, priceless. You never jump the gun and always fit the pick to value as best you can. That's why if those players were "re-drafted", they would prefer to take them exactly where they went. As low (not high) as possible.


But then, David Hannum was right I suppose.

I am not saying draft Alualu at all and if you think that then I'm done here.

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Completely agree.  That's the definition of drafting the correct value.  If you see risk in the player (such as less than ideal traits) then you set value accordingly.

 

Harbaugh said he thought Kaepernick was the best player in the draft.  That doesn't mean they should have drafted him as high as they could.  You seek to value the player's stock to the best of your ability and draft them as close to that as you can.

Taking this at face value

This can only mean one of three things...


1). Harbaugh and Baalke disagreed over who the best player in that draft was, because that same draft saw the 49ers take Aldon Smith first.


2) Harbaugh was lying...or


3). The 49ers are not a BAP drafting team. The whole thing about BAP drafting is "Rank em and pick em"

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Some on here blame the media for his "stock dropping" but from this guy, in reality the media is trying to help him and has him higher than were he should be.  Hmmmm ^

How in the blue hell is the media trying to help him?!?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

How in the blue hell is the media trying to help him?!?

Do you see who you're talking to?

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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Roethlisberger came from a comparable level of competition.

 

Would you not take him 3rd overall?

 

McNair came from a lower level of competition.

 

As loathe as I am to give the Titans any positive credit whatsoever, were they mistaken in taking McNair 3rd overall?

 

Could you argue Bridgewater doesn't have Big Ben's size, McNair's mobility, and neither's arm strength?



 

Sure.



 

But you could also argue neither Big Ben nor McNair had Bridgewater's football mind when they came out.

 

I don't think competition serves as a significant knock here.

 

This is down right hilarious. Don't forget the baby hands!!!

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This is down right hilarious. Don't forget the baby hands!!!

 

His hands are bigger than kaepernicks....

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

His hands are bigger than kaepernicks....

 

Wonderful. 

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Wonderful. 

 

so if youre going to make fun of him for small hands and then someone provides evidence to prove that small hands doesnt necessarily mean anything, you just say something ignorant. pleasure having a logical discussion with you. 

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."