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KYjaggy · 04-17-2014, 04:45 PM

Anyway, I've said my piece on Murray and his developmental (or lack theirof) prospects. Good luck with the rest of this thread folks.

And rfc, well said you and I are copacetic here.

Achilles · 04-17-2014, 04:47 PM

according to everything kyjaggy has been saying... qb purgatory would be a guy like schaub, but ill tell you, 4 years ago? i would be ecstatic if the jags had schaub.

Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

HIGH SCORE · 04-17-2014, 04:50 PM

Quote:Opinions in no way have to be biased...c'mon now.

And no, to be honest I don't think I'm in the same boat as everyone on here. I think I would be pretty accurate in saying I do more draft study in a week than most people on here do for the entire draft. It's just like I said earlier I woudn't say I'm in the same boat as some of my friends (if I could really even call them friends) that put in nearly 100 hours of draft work a week.

I could practice shooting a basketball twice as much as LeBron James...Doesn't mean I'll ever be better at basketball than him.

You don't have any better chance of being right about a prospect than the rest of us.

Professional GMs and scouts- just like yourself (lol) put months and years onto scouting a player. And they are often wrong.

For you to swing your hose around here like you're big man on campus, and immune from being wrong about something, is laughable.

SilentJaguar · 04-17-2014, 05:12 PM

MEH. 5th-6th rounder to me.

pirkster · 04-17-2014, 05:29 PM

Quote:And I would never call Teddy a developmental candidate. What you see with him is what you get, too.

That's exactly what I'm saying, you don't get the phrase developmental QB.

Exactly what you've said, is that you've done nothing to illustrate what I do or don't know about what it means to be a developmental QB.

But then, making stuff up and pulling nonsense out of your rear isn't new for you. "Purgatory" is a shining example. Perhaps the crown jewel.

No, Ted isn't a developmental candidate. I never said he was, but I suppose you had to suggest that strawman to suit your agenda. But yes, he still needs his share of work put in before he'll be ready to shoulder a franchise, if ever.

You're all talk, and talk is cheap. If you ever try substance for a change, I'll certainly be shocked. I didn't think that would be so hard for someone who supposedly puts in so many "hours." Remove the lotion and tissue from the equation, and watch clips of someone other than Ted and you might get farther than this.

"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

pirkster · 04-17-2014, 05:33 PM

Quote:according to everything kyjaggy has been saying... qb purgatory would be a guy like schaub, but ill tell you, 4 years ago? i would be ecstatic if the jags had schaub.

It's a moving target. If you never stop looking, you're never in so-called "purgatory."

Draft, develop, repeat. It (should) never end. If you're doing it right, your up and coming is ready to pick up the slack when your starter is in decline.

"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

KYjaggy · 04-17-2014, 05:45 PM

Quote:according to everything kyjaggy has been saying... qb purgatory would be a guy like schaub, but ill tell you, 4 years ago? i would be ecstatic if the jags had schaub.

The difference is pay grade. QB purgatory is fine while the QB is cheap. Schaub wasn't hurting the Texans 4 years ago, Garrard didn't hurt the Jags, Sanchez didn't hurt the Jets, and Dalton isn't hurting the Bengals while he is cheap. Then Schaub got the big money and Mario Williams, Eric Winston, Demeco Ryans (you know some of the keys cogs in the teams real success) etc had to be let go. The pain part comes in when it comes time to give them the second contract.

I will give the Bengals big applause if they can manage to stay away from the mistake of giving Dalton a big second deal if he doesn't take a big step forward this year. It's so hard to do that though when the QB, as always, gets so much credit for the teams success.

atburg · 04-17-2014, 07:26 PM

Quote:Opinions in no way have to be biased...c'mon now.

And no, to be honest I don't think I'm in the same boat as everyone on here. I think I would be pretty accurate in saying I do more draft study in a week than most people on here do for the entire draft. It's just like I said earlier I woudn't say I'm in the same boat as some of my friends (if I could really even call them friends) that put in nearly 100 hours of draft work a week.

There's that draft ego I love so much! You do so much scouting, yet all you can come up with is the same lines over and over. I spend close to 2 hours or more everyday breaking down film and scouting reports and I'm not even half as far as I would like to be on evaluating prospects across the board, yet you do a couple hours watching a few cut-ups and you're an expert?

Scarecrow · 04-17-2014, 07:43 PM

He strikes me as a future Chad Henne...we don't need that here. If given the right situation he could succeed but that right situation will involve a lot of the pieces of the puzzle being pretty darn good for him to be successful.

I could be entirely wrong and he could be a future superstar and I hope that is exactly what happens. He's had a heck of a career at an SEC school, by all accounts I can find is a good guy and should be allowed to sit on the sidelines and learn at the NFL level. I wish him the best but I'm not sure I would take him where I think he'll be taken.

atburg · 04-17-2014, 08:02 PM

Quote:He strikes me as a future Chad Henne...we don't need that here. If given the right situation he could succeed but that right situation will involve a lot of the pieces of the puzzle being pretty darn good for him to be successful.

I could be entirely wrong and he could be a future superstar and I hope that is exactly what happens. He's had a heck of a career at an SEC school, by all accounts I can find is a good guy and should be allowed to sit on the sidelines and learn at the NFL level. I wish him the best but I'm not sure I would take him where I think he'll be taken.

The biggest issue I've seen with him is his passes that get knocked down at the line, could be a very bad habit at the next level.

Dakota · 04-17-2014, 08:03 PM

Quote:QB purgatory is the step right below franchise QB...that's not really a knock on the prospect it just holds the franchise hostage.

How do Seahawk fans feel about their hostage situation?

For that matter, how does the Seahawk organization feel about being held hostage by Wilson?

What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

atburg · 04-17-2014, 08:07 PM

Quote:How do Seahawk fans feel about their hostage situation?

For that matter, how does the Seahawk organization feel about being held hostage by Wilson?

I know, what a waste of a third round pick. LOL

KYjaggy · 04-17-2014, 08:11 PM

Quote:How do Seahawk fans feel about their hostage situation?

For that matter, how does the Seahawk organization feel about being held hostage by Wilson?

The flaw there is the assumption that Wilson is QB purgatory. He is firmly a franchise QB to me, and is only another year or two of consistency from being in the elite QB class.

flgatorsandjags · 04-17-2014, 08:16 PM

Quote:How do Seahawk fans feel about their hostage situation?

For that matter, how does the Seahawk organization feel about being held hostage by Wilson?

Quote:The flaw there is the assumption that Wilson is QB purgatory. He is firmly a franchise QB to me, and is only another year or two of consistency from being in the elite QB class.

Haha, Wilson is good and won a SB now so he wont use QB purgatory. If Wilson was in this draft it would be same song different dance and Wilson would be QB purgatory.

Dakota · 04-17-2014, 08:19 PM

Quote:The flaw there is the assumption that Wilson is QB purgatory. He is firmly a franchise QB to me, and is only another year or two of consistency from being in the elite QB class.

How in the world can a smaller, low round pick be a franchise QB? You all but said that is not possible.

Let's just call Russell "an outlier" then. It's a cool "buzzword" these days. It's almost a "talking point".

How about Kaepernick? How do niner fans and that organization feel about being in QB purgatory?

What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

KYjaggy · 04-17-2014, 08:19 PM

Quote:There's that draft ego I love so much! You do so much scouting, yet all you can come up with is the same lines over and over. I spend close to 2 hours or more everyday breaking down film and scouting reports and I'm not even half as far as I would like to be on evaluating prospects across the board, yet you do a couple hours watching a few cut-ups and you're an expert?

Interesting, where do you get your flim...it is very hard to come across real film and I would love to get some myself. I have also, for about the 5th time, never called myself an expert. The most I've said is amateur draftnik. Don't let that stop you from misrepresenting though. I also haven't claimed to know the draft prospects across the board. I feel like I know this years QBs, big school WRs, RBs, TEs, pass rushers, and interior oline pretty well. I haven't studied much OT, DT, or ILB this year, and I hardly every do much secondary study because it's nearly impossible to get a proper evaluation of DBs on film.

KYjaggy · 04-17-2014, 08:20 PM

Quote:Haha, Wilson is good and won a SB now so he wont use QB purgatory. If Wilson was in this draft it would be same song different dance and Wilson would be QB purgatory.

Yeah I didn't love Wilson before the super bowl...definitely not.

flgatorsandjags · 04-17-2014, 08:20 PM

Quote:How in the world can a smaller, low round pick be a franchise QB? You all but said that is not possible.

Let's just call Russell "an outlier" then. It's a cool "buzzword" these days. It's almost a "talking point".

How about Kaepernick? How do niner fans and that organization feel about being in QB purgatory?

Its the same thing TMD does with the name thing. If they are good already then it sounds like a good football name.

atburg · 04-17-2014, 08:21 PM

Quote:The flaw there is the assumption that Wilson is QB purgatory. He is firmly a franchise QB to me, and is only another year or two of consistency from being in the elite QB class.

You must have a crystal ball. Would love to have seen your breakdown oh him coming out. I'm betting you had him ahead of Luck.

KYjaggy · 04-17-2014, 08:27 PM

Quote:You must have a crystal ball. Would love to have seen your breakdown oh him coming out. I'm betting you had him ahead of Luck.

Nah he was my #3 originally and a mid first rounder, but then I followed the herd and dropped him because of his height to #4 and a second rounder. I moved Tannehill ahead of him, and a mid 1st overall, based on his potential (which I think he still has) and surprisingly adept pocket skills considering he was a WR when he started college.