Career starts has little to do with whether I think they will be a starter or backup in the NFL...but it is a relevant indicator as to whether a QB has much growth potential left. 

My point was, no matter how many starts or what kind of numbers they put up (regardless of the player), there is no real way to know anything until they face that first real pro pash rush. I (like yourself) have dove head first into spending countless amounts of time looking at this class, and have downgraded some guys and upgraded others that I loved the past couple of years.

My top 10 entering the off-season

Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel,mccarron, Fales, Garoppolo, Boyd, Metterberger,Murray, Carr

 

After taking a couple minutes to dig deeper the only 2 I would take in the mid-first would be the 2 B's

Followed by Manziel and Mettenberger in the second

AJ in the third

Murray, Boyd, maybe Carr would be fourth

Garoppolo  and Wenning would be my late round guys

So my 10 changed quite a bit as I dug more

Feel like guys like Fales and Savage will go higher than I see them worth.

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Thanks for the input, however im not surprised you missed my point!

 

It wasn't difficult.

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It wasn't difficult.

Well, may want to learn how to read. Although I see you have trouble with left and right, so one step at a time.

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Thanks for the input, however im not surprised you missed my point! Right now I have no intrest with an argument with a clueless agenda poster.

 

What's my agenda?  That I don't think Murray is a franchise quarterback?  And I'm posting on a post entitled "Aaron Murray Is The Guy" stating why I don't believe it to be true.  The shock must run deep.

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I thought Manziel was small

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Are you saying that Murray can be a franchise guy?

 

I haven't said anyone from this class is a sure franchise guy.

 

Given that, I don't see Murray as any more or less capable of being a franchise guy over time, than the rest of these guys.  They all need their share of work (and fortune to fall in their favor, I might add.)

 

Are you saying this draft class is full of franchise QBs?  Because it certainly doesn't look like it will be.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Listen, I am a huge UGA fan. Murray is a good QB, but he's nothing more than a respectable back-up in the NFL. He doesn't have "it". He couldn't get it done in the big games throughout his career. Believe me, I know. Once we lost some of our more key players on defense, and Green went off to the Bengals, he was left with Gurley. Gurley is really the difference maker on our offense up there. When Gurley was out of the line-up or taking a play-off, we cringe. Normally the drive would stall emediately without him in the line-up. He's got the SEC passing records, good for him. But it still doesn't make up for the fact that he couldn't get it done in the more important games. I wouldn't mind seeing him in Jacksonville. But for you on here that think he'll be our next starter for ten some odd years, need to relax a little bit.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

 He's got the SEC passing records, good for him. But it still doesn't make up for the fact that he couldn't get it done in the more important games
. I wouldn't mind seeing him in Jacksonville. But for you on here that think he'll be our next starter for ten some odd years, need to relax a little bit.

 

That also falls on the play calling. Not fair to put that on him.

 

Not to mention, in 2013 they lost like what 4 games with him? One was against Clemson by a field goal? He held up against LSU and South Carolina, too right? Both wins. I hate the "I'm a fan so I know better" card. It's weak.

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That also falls on the play calling. Not fair to put that on him.

 

Not to mention, in 2013 they lost like what 4 games with him? One was against Clemson on a field goal? He held up against LSU and South Carolina, too right? Both wins. Don't play the "I'm a fan so I know better" card. It's really weak.

 

I am not playing that card. I am just saying, I have seen enough out of him to say that at the next level, I wouldn't feel comfortable/confident with him leading an NFL offense. I like how you skated around the points that I made regarding the fact that once we lost key defensive starters, Green to the Bengals, and when Gurley was missed a few times due to injury this year, that, Murray struggled to take over completely during his last year as a Bulldog and really carry that team. That's not to discredit him completely. Like I said, I like the kid. Wouldn't mind him being a Jaguar. Just don't hold him up to these lofty expectations. Before the knee injury he was still pegged as a 2nd day pick..... not even in the top five as well. I honestly don't like very many of this year's QB class. I really don't. But I know we'll have to take a QB.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

But for you on here that think he'll be our next starter for ten some odd years, need to relax a little bit.

 

There's not a single QB in this draft I would say that about.  Finding our franchise QB is a process that's probably going to take longer than 2014.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I am not playing that card. I am just saying, I have seen enough out of him to say that at the next level, I wouldn't feel comfortable/confident with him leading an NFL offense. I like how you skated around the points that I made regarding the fact that once we lost key defensive starters, Green to the Bengals, and when Gurley was missed a few times due to injury this year, that, Murray struggled to take over completely during his last year as a Bulldog and really carry that team. That's not to discredit him completely. Like I said, I like the kid. Wouldn't mind him being a Jaguar. Just don't hold him up to these lofty expectations. Before the knee injury he was still pegged as a 2nd day pick..... not even in the top five as well. I honestly don't like very many of this year's QB class. I really don't. But I know we'll have to take a QB.

 

I didn't skate around it. Hell, it took Flacco years to finally start putting the Ravens franchise on his own shoulders and stop relying on his defense. That doesn't make you a bad QB. Just not a good leader.

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There's not a single QB in this draft I would say that about.  Finding our franchise QB is a process that's probably going to take longer than 2014.

 

I feel the same way. I know the fanbase wants a new face at QB. But we really need to get it right this time. Whether it's this year on day-two, or next year or 2016, we cannot keep rehasing the QB position like we've been doing.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Murray is the guy Morris should've been. A fourth round hold a clipboard flier.

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He's Colt McCoy...no thanks

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Aaron Murray, I think, is a 1st round QB. He's underrated right now because of his ACL tear. I think that he's going to be a big steal outside of the 2nd round.

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there is absolutely nothing about Murray that screams potential NFL starter.  The guy started all 4 years at Georgia.  Put up a ton of numbers.  Got a ton of wins.  His known for working hard.  Puts in the time to study film.  Team leader.  etc...  Well then why in the world is no one talking about him as a 1st rounder!?  Because he is barely 6'0 and has an average at best arm.

 

The NFL is about the physical abilities.  Where they played is irrelevant.  If he is a great team leader is irrelevant.  You either have the physical ability to do it or you dont.  Murray just doesnt have it.  There is absolutely nothing he can do to be a multi-year legit NFL quality starter.  Nothing.  He just physically cant do it.  

 

There is a long list of well accomplished, very good if not great college players that just physically couldnt compete at the NFL level.  You were either born with it or you werent.  Murray wasnt.  The guy is a backup.

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I am not playing that card. I am just saying, I have seen enough out of him to say that at the next level, I wouldn't feel comfortable/confident with him leading an NFL offense. I like how you skated around the points that I made regarding the fact that once we lost key defensive starters, Green to the Bengals, and when Gurley was missed a few times due to injury this year, that, Murray struggled to take over completely during his last year as a Bulldog and really carry that team. That's not to discredit him completely. Like I said, I like the kid. Wouldn't mind him being a Jaguar. Just don't hold him up to these lofty expectations. Before the knee injury he was still pegged as a 2nd day pick..... not even in the top five as well. I honestly don't like very many of this year's QB class. I really don't. But I know we'll have to take a QB.

what about the olinemen and the wr that got hurt

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Tebow is left handed but nice try

I know right.  I am still trying to figure that post out.  Is he serious?

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I think that Murray is a under rated prospect, i think he could be a very good QB in the right system and any QB we draft has to sit and learn, i think we learned what happens if you rush a QB Ala Gabbert

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52 starts in college has nothing to do with what they are going to do in the pros.  Andrew Luck had 38 starts in college, does that mean if he would have stayed for his senior year and had 50 starts - 52 starts he wouldn't be as good as a pro?

 

Come on now...  Can someone please explain to me how starting more college games can hamper you in the pros?  Is this some made up stat by Kyjaggy? I know no one takes him seriously, but geez, can he really be this much of a joke?

 

Russell Wilson--- 50 starts?  Let me guess?  Outlier???? 

 

Kyjaggy is a huge fan of Derek Carr, am I right?  44 career starts.  Is there that much of a difference?

 

Teddy Bridgewater?  39 starts?

 

But yet, doesn't like Manziel and he has 26 starts?  Does anyone see the missing link here?

 

Let me guess...

 

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