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Would Khalil Mack in the top 5 feel like a "Gene Smith type of pick"?
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Quote:I looked up Ware's Scouting Report from 2005 on the old NFLDraftScout page that Rob Rang used to run then compared that to Mack's profile that Rang does for CBSSports.com. There's some interesting coincidences between the two. Excellent work. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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Quote:Excellent work. You know me, lookin' up football stuff on the internet is kinda my thing.
I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.
Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!
Quote:If I could prove it, I would be willing to put a large chunk of cash on it that you have watched Matthews a grand total of 5 plays or less. What was said by me about Matthews that would give you that indication? I've seen several A & M games this past season, and thats not the first time I've watched him. What don't you like about Matthews, other than the fact that he's a Tackle? I see very little weakness in his game. He could walk right into the ORT position and give it standout play for the next 10 years. He wouldn't be uncomfortable there like Joeckel was. And in this division with the Texans defense, especially should they land Clowney, the Jags will need top level bookends to counter it. Matthews is already the better prospect of he & Joeckel. Quote:If I could prove it, I would be willing to put a large chunk of cash on it that you have watched Matthews a grand total of 5 plays or less.And yet he's already HOF caliber because of it. In college non the less. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:The back tracking here is amazing. He agrees he is a Terrel Suggs type player...who wouldnt take that guy at 3?! Oh wait, if Manziel or Bridgewater are hall of famers, its a bad pick....Thanks Nostradamus. What was backtracked??? Seriously - asking you directly what was backtracked?? I think Mack will be a decent player in the league, otherwise, I wouldn't have said "I was ok with a Mack selection after a trade down".
Quote:I looked up Ware's Scouting Report from 2005 on the old NFLDraftScout page that Rob Rang used to run then compared that to Mack's profile that Rang does for CBSSports.com. There's some interesting coincidences between the two. What's impressive about the stats is Mack did a lot more at Buffalo than Demarcus did at Troy, Ware was primarily asked to rush the passer, Mack was asked to do everything. Yet his career sacks and tackles for loss are better than Ware's, there's a reason why he's being called the best player in the draft.
Mack is a more physical player than Ware. Which is why I used the Suggs comparison. Mack like Suggs is also great at creating forced fumbles.
Also Suggs has 94 sacks over 11 years which is about 8.5 per year. I think HOF caliber is quite a bit of hyperbole.
Quote:It's his schtick to be on both sides of any argument. Its not about passing on it - no one would,....but as said, people are using that argument as if the entire rest of the top 10 will be bums. I wouldn't want Suggs over a guy like Bridgewater/ Manziel if either indeed becomes the franchise QB I see them becoming, for instance. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:I looked up Ware's <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=55196&draftyear=2005&genpos=OLB'>Scouting Report</a> from 2005 on the old NFLDraftScout page that Rob Rang used to run then compared that to <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1754653/khalil-mack'>Mack's profile</a> that Rang does for CBSSports.com. There's some interesting coincidences between the two. Its really not close at all when you factor in the QB pressures. That's the most important stat. Did I get it right? Quote:What's impressive about the stats is Mack did a lot more at Buffalo than Demarcus did at Troy, Ware was primarily asked to rush the passer, Mack was asked to do everything. Yet his career sacks and tackles for loss are better than Ware's, there's a reason why he's being called the best player in the draft. To me, the big disparity between the two is at Total Tackles (327 to 195), QB hurries (31 to 74) and Interceptions (4 to 1). To me, it backs up what you are saying in that Mack was used all over the field whereas Ware was basically a Defensive End who went after the passer. Mack made his tackles more because the Defense moved him around more. Ware hurried the QB more because that was his primary job.
I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.
Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!
Mack looks like he has elite athleticism for his position. I think he will be a very good player with the potential to be elite.
The ONLY reason I wouldn't take him at #3 is because I think we need to score points. Having Mack and other pass rushers will be pointless if we can't score any points. That's why I say take Sammy Watkins #3 overall.
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Quote:Mack is a more physical player than Ware. Which is why I used the Suggs comparison. Mack like Suggs is also great at creating forced fumbles. Suggs is not a HOF player on any team that did not win a SB. The SB is the ONLY reason Suggs will make it, if he does. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:What was said by me about Matthews that would give you that indication? I've seen several A & M games this past season, and thats not the first time I've watched him. What don't you like about Matthews, other than the fact that he's a Tackle? I see very little weakness in his game. He could walk right into the ORT position and give it standout play for the next 10 years. He wouldn't be uncomfortable there like Joeckel was. And in this division with the Texans defense, especially should they land Clowney, the Jags will need top level bookends to counter it. Matter of fact, Matthews played RT the prior three seasons, before moving to LT only after Joeckel became a Jaguar.
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Quote:I see Matthews as HOF caliber at his position. He's technically perfect. The only reason why he's seen to be drafted at less than 3 (not 10-12, btw) is because Tackle isn't the "sexy" position as Clowney/ the QB/ Watkins/ etc etc. Matthews might be a better player at his position than all but Clowney when its all said and done. ok thats fine, but if you can pick him at 10 after a trade down and get more value, then wouldnt THAT be stupid and gene smithesque? like you are arguing the mack move would be? if mack winds up just as good or better than clay matthews or "HOF" caliber then wouldnt you still select him at 3?
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Quote:Its really not close at all when you factor in the QB pressures. That's the most important stat. Ware primarily rushed passer at Troy, Mack played a lot of coverage at Buffalo, that's where the discrepancy factors in.
Quote:Matter of fact, Matthews played RT the prior three seasons, before moving to LT only after Joeckel became a Jaguar. You'll be hard pressed to find many talent evaluators who currently think that Joeckel is the better prospect of the 2. The fact that Matthews is comfortable and can play at top level at both OLT and ORT is a bonus for the team selecting him, and would be perfect for us. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:To me, the big disparity between the two is at Total Tackles (327 to 195), QB hurries (31 to 74) and Interceptions (4 to 1). To me, it backs up what you are saying in that Mack was used all over the field whereas Ware was basically a Defensive End who went after the passer. Mack made his tackles more because the Defense moved him around more. Ware hurried the QB more because that was his primary job. The guy is truly a jack of all trades, he'd be the ultimate movable piece in coach Bradley's defense, he's a guy offensive coordinators will have to account for on every snap.
Quote:You know me, lookin' up football stuff on the internet is kinda my thing. ....and slightly upping the height & weight/ numbers of one, and slightly down for the other,....excellent work. Crafty, even.
Quote:What was said by me about Matthews that would give you that indication? I've seen several A & M games this past season, and thats not the first time I've watched him. What don't you like about Matthews, other than the fact that he's a Tackle? I see very little weakness in his game. He could walk right into the ORT position and give it standout play for the next 10 years. He wouldn't be uncomfortable there like Joeckel was. And in this division with the Texans defense, especially should they land Clowney, the Jags will need top level bookends to counter it. You know its very unlikely we will pick a tackle since we picked one last year, so you are going to push how good he is....so you can say how dumb Caldwell is when we dont pick him. |
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