Oh please, feel free to go look back at my comments on Mayock long before they pertained to Teddy. It's been a steady and precipitous decline ever since he took the Thursday Night Football gig years ago. He doesn't even start looking at college film until mid/late February anymore, as quoted by himself. That's just not enough time to get a firm grasp on very much at all. 

 

He used to be one of the very best, no doubt about that...but nowadays there are many, many people who run circles around him if for no other reason than they put in literally 10x the work on the class. 

 

You still in there trying, aren't you?

 

How in the world do you know how much time anyone spends doing anything? Of course, you don't. Now, if Mayock was praising Teddy the supposed amount of work he does or doesn't do won't even matter, would it?

 

Don't worry. Two weeks after the draft no one will remember or care that you were driving the Teddy Train. It's just not that important.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Franchise qb > any other position

 

No one disagrees. Strawman much?

 

Teddy Bridgewater is not worth top 3 pick. Agree?

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You still in there trying, aren't you?

 

How in the world do you know how much time anyone spends doing anything? Of course, you don't. Now, if Mayock was praising Teddy the supposed amount of work he does or doesn't do won't even matter, would it?

 

Don't worry. Two weeks after the draft no one will remember or care that you were driving the Teddy Train. It's just not that important.

Mayock said himself that he studies only the NFL until the Super Bowl, then he takes a vacation, then he starts doing draft study starting in mid/late February. That's how I know how much time he spends doing something...because it came out of his own mouth. And like I also said (and have said many times about Mayock in other threads), he has been in decline for years and Teddy has nothing to do with it. I really don't get how dense and illiterate some of you all are at times...

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No one disagrees. Strawman much?


Teddy Bridgewater is not worth top 3 pick. Agree?

I think he is worth a top 3 pick.


Not being a straw man either.

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Had Mayock's opinion been similar pre and post pro day workout, then I'd have more respect for the opinion. 

 

I dont have a problem with Teddy's stock dropping after his pro day.  If pro days were worthless they wouldnt exist.  But many times this is the only chance to see a kid throw in person.


Who is Teddy?  Is he a big guy that is going to shake off would be sacks and turn a loss into a positive play?  No.  Is he a guy who will rifle a ball 30 yards on a rope between defenders?  No.  He is a slender guy with an average arm that has great pocket awareness and wont miss a throw 15 yards or shorter.... who has had a lot of practice being a checkdown king.  So how in the world can a guy facing no pressure who needs to rely on impeccable accuracy to be a successful NFL QB struggle so badly with that very thing?  Its not like you are drafting him because of his potential to break tackles with his size and extend plays like Bortles.  Its not like you are drafting him for his bigtime arm talent like Carr.  You expect them to miss a few balls on their pro day because you arent drafting them for their amazing accuracy.  But that is what you're drafting Teddy for.  And he couldnt do it.

 

Its easy to dismiss it when you arent the one making the decision.  But its definitely a red flag for a GM who will lose his job if he misses on the pick.  I'm not surprised his stock has dropped.  Just like Mayock, teams will have to go back and see if they missed something on the tape.

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I think he is worth a top 3 pick.


Not being a straw man either.

 

Well, of course you do. You have proved to be one of the most stubborn posters on this board. You still think Geno Smith was worth a top 2 pick (franchise QBs > any other position). For some odd reason, you aren't man enough to admit you may have over-valued a player like Bridgewater and Geno.

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I dont have a problem with Teddy's stock dropping after his pro day.  If pro days were worthless they wouldnt exist.  But many times this is the only chance to see a kid throw in person.

Who is Teddy?  Is he a big guy that is going to shake off would be sacks and turn a loss into a positive play?  No.  Is he a guy who will rifle a ball 30 yards on a rope between defenders?  No.  He is a slender guy with an average arm that has great pocket awareness and wont miss a throw 15 yards or shorter.... who has had a lot of practice being a checkdown king.  So how in the world can a guy facing no pressure who needs to rely on impeccable accuracy to be a successful NFL QB struggle so badly with that very thing?  Its not like you are drafting him because of his potential to break tackles with his size and extend plays like Bortles.  Its not like you are drafting him for his bigtime arm talent like Carr.  You expect them to miss a few balls on their pro day because you arent drafting them for their amazing accuracy.  But that is what you're drafting Teddy for.  And he couldnt do it.

 

Its easy to dismiss it when you arent the one making the decision.  But its definitely a red flag for a GM who will lose his job if he misses on the pick.  I'm not surprised his stock has dropped.  Just like Mayock, teams will have to go back and see if they missed something on the tape.

 

Nice post..  +1

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I respect Mike Mayock's opinions and I usually agree with him as far as ranking the draft prospects but I think Bridgewater is definitely still a first round prospect.

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Franchise qb > any other position

And Teddy is not a franchise qb.  He will develop into a starter...but not a franchise qb.  He will never be a Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, etc.

 

And no way is he the 2nd best qb in this draft behind Manziel.  Not even close.

 

I don't get the man-love for this kid.  Nothing about him is impressive.

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And Teddy is not a franchise qb.  He will develop into a starter...but not a franchise qb.  He will never be a Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, etc.

 

And no way is he the 2nd best qb in this draft behind Manziel.  Not even close.

 

I don't get the man-love for this kid.  Nothing about him is impressive.

 

Care to share next week's winning Lotto numbers?

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Care to share next week's winning Lotto numbers?

Cute.  Takes no clairvoyance to see his extraordinary average-ness.

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Cute.  Takes no clairvoyance to see his extraordinary average-ness.

It does take clairvoyance or a time machine to see what he will develop into.  

 

Still curious as to why you didn't warn anybody about Blaine Gabbert not being a franchise guy.  Since it takes no clairvoyance to see these sorts of things.  And surely you knew that sixth rounder Tom Brady would develop into a franchise QB.  I'm sure Tom Coughlin would have appreciated the information.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Well, of course you do. You have proved to be one of the most stubborn posters on this board. You still think Geno Smith was worth a top 2 pick (franchise QBs > any other position). For some odd reason, you aren't man enough to admit you may have over-valued a player like Bridgewater and Geno.

To be fair, Geno was showing a lot of stuff down the stretch of last year that would suggest a top pick would have been warranted. Especially considering he had probably the worst WR corps in the league and a well below average RB stable to take the pressure off too. 

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To be fair, Geno was showing a lot of stuff down the stretch of last year that would suggest a top pick would have been warranted. Especially considering he had probably the worst WR corps in the league and a well below average RB stable to take the pressure off too. 

 

To be fair, Geno Smith was not worth the #2 overall pick like bleedingteal and the rest of the "franchise QB HERP DERP!" crowd was clamoring for.

 

12 TDs, 21 INTs, 4 fumbles, 55.8 completion %, 6.88 YPA, 66.5 QB rating. Those are not numbers I'm expecting out of a top 2 pick.

 

A mediocre 5 game stretch against Miami x2, Cleveland, Oakland, and Carolina, to end the season, does not change that.

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Well, of course you do. You have proved to be one of the most stubborn posters on this board. You still think Geno Smith was worth a top 2 pick (franchise QBs > any other position). For some odd reason, you aren't man enough to admit you may have over-valued a player like Bridgewater and Geno.

 

dude, just shut up. WHo are you to be labeling anyone else as stubborn. Pot/ kettle..

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You're proving your own short-sighted ignorance.

 

What's not to love about Gabbert and Alualu?

 

Gabbert was ruined by the ineptitude of a franchise with no idea on how to develop a quarterback. The guy just might be salvageable, which is why the Gator-infested media is all over Colin Kaepernick using the dubious TMZ media-crack pushers to feed the junkies. All this red-neck brutality for not being Tim Tebow is following Gabbert out west. Disqualify Colin Kaepernick to force Gabbert onto the field again, too soon. Nice.

 

Alualu has a place in the NFL. I seriously doubt that Mayock was not as shocked as anyone else in the NFL world was when Tyson was reached for by the Team Gene Regime.

Wut?

Go watch Gabberts college tape, he doesn't look much better than he does now. Just his terrible play was slightly more succesful because the competition was crap. 

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To be fair, Geno Smith was not worth the #2 overall pick like bleedingteal and the rest of the "franchise QB HERP DERP!" crowd was clamoring for.

 

12 TDs, 21 INTs, 4 fumbles, 55.8 completion %, 6.88 YPA, 66.5 QB rating. Those are not numbers I'm expecting out of a top 2 pick.

 

A mediocre 5 game stretch against Miami x2, Cleveland, Oakland, and Carolina, to end the season, does not change that.

 

It's Gabbert-itis.  Most people want to see a QB that's not Blaine Gabbert or Chad Henne.  It's the same reason people want Garoppolo in the second, and the same reason people wanted Matt Scott in the 4th. (He was available as an undrafted Free Agent)

 

Aside from Blaine Gabbert, this team has not used a draft pick on a QB since 2003.  In 10 years the team had selected only Gabbert in the draft as far as QB's go.  Not even a flier on a 4th rounder.  

 

I'd still say Geno Smith should be given another year before he's judged.  Perhaps you would be more likely to if he were a Jaguar, but not if he's a Jet.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

dude, just shut up. WHo are you to be labeling anyone else as stubborn. Pot/ kettle..

 

You telling someone else to shut up is rich.

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It does take clairvoyance or a time machine to see what he will develop into.  

 

Still curious as to why you didn't warn anybody about Blaine Gabbert not being a franchise guy.  Since it takes no clairvoyance to see these sorts of things.  And surely you knew that sixth rounder Tom Brady would develop into a franchise QB.  I'm sure Tom Coughlin would have appreciated the information.

Great.  Just proved yourself a smart-aleck jerk.  Gratz. 

 

Gabbert had everything you're looking for in qb prospect.  He got ruined early in his development.  So did David Carr, btw.  Leftwich was not worth it from the beginning.  And I called that one, along with many other forum posters.

 

Other than offering my opinion that TB won't develop, which apparently offended you, my observations stand.  TB has no special qualities.

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It's Gabbert-itis.  Most people want to see a QB that's not Blaine Gabbert or Chad Henne.  It's the same reason people want Garoppolo in the second, and the same reason people wanted Matt Scott in the 4th. (He was available as an undrafted Free Agent)

 

Aside from Blaine Gabbert, this team has not used a draft pick on a QB since 2003.  In 10 years the team had selected only Gabbert in the draft as far as QB's go.  Not even a flier on a 4th rounder.  

 

I'd still say Geno Smith should be given another year before he's judged.  Perhaps you would be more likely to if he were a Jaguar, but not if he's a Jet.

 

Fair enough

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