Matt Barkley

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Matt Barkley

He wasn't near the top pick at the end of the season. Teddy was and dropped a month before the draft.

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He wasn't near the top pick at the end of the season. Teddy was and dropped a month before the draft.

The rumblings started almost mid-season after the Rutgers game when the NFL world was in attendance to see Teddy live and in person.


The media just caught up to the NFL personnel a month ago in terms of how he's viewed around the league.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Matt Barkley

I thought the same thing when I read it but I wasnt gonna say nothing

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The rumblings started almost mid-season after the Rutgers game when the NFL world was in attendance to see Teddy live and in person.


The media just caught up to the NFL personnel a month ago in terms of how he's viewed around the league.

The 2 Dave was live at that I know of was the Rutgers game and the pro day. 

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To be fair, USC quarterbacks are notoriously overrated. Louisville, not so much

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To be fair, USC quarterbacks are notoriously overrated. Louisville, not so much

 

Maybe not until about a couple months ago.  No one expected much from Redman, Brohm, or LeFors.  Certainly not like Leinart, Sanchez, et. al.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

To be fair, USC quarterbacks are notoriously overrated. Louisville, not so much

GIven the fact the top 4 QBs to come out of Louisville were Brohm, Redman, Laflors, Ragone

 

That's pertty much like stating USC QBs have been overrated, Tulane not so much.

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I love how people make up history.

 

Remember Teddy's last game against Miami?

 

Pretty much the entire board was pouting saying "that's it... that settles it - he's going to Houston for SURE"

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I've watched a ton of Teddy B cut ups, and a ton of Manziel cut ups.

 

 

Take away Manziels mobility and he's a 7th round pick.

 

 

Bridgewater might not have the greatest arm in terms of strength, but he's got the best decision making, footwork, pocket presence, and football IQ of all the QBs and i still think he's the best player in this draft. 

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I love how people make up history.

 

Remember Teddy's last game against Miami?

 

Pretty much the entire board was pouting saying "that's it... that settles it - he's going to Houston for SURE"

 

Many, but not all.  Same thing happened last year with Geno, with so many begging for him at #2.

 

And just like with Geno, anyone who dared step out of line to disagree were roasted with insults.  And just like last year, their heads are spinning because they can't comprehend (or admit, whichever is the case) what went wrong.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Many, but not all.  Same thing happened last year with Geno, with so many begging for him at #2.

 

And just like with Geno, anyone who dared step out of line to disagree were roasted with insults.  And just like last year, their heads are spinning because they can't comprehend (or admit, whichever is the case) what went wrong.

Geno was never on Teddys level. 

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Geno was never on Teddys level. 

Its the same thing every year.  Next year there will be a guy where Teddy was never on their level.  I do like Teddy a little more as a prospect but they are not that far off.

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Its the same thing every year.  Next year there will be a guy where Teddy was never on their level.  I do like Teddy a little more as a prospect but they are not that far off.

Maybe not day and night, but Geno just ran everything out of the spread and did not have the leadership that Teddy has (more of a knock on Geno than a compliment to Teddy).  Teddy seems to operate better under pressure too.

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Take away Manziels mobility and he's a 7th round pick.

I would ask you to define 'mobility' Swag.

 

1)Do you mean mobility in 'running straight ahead', like Michael Vick, Cam Newton or RG3?

2)Or do you mean mobility in 'keeping the play alive behind the line scrimmage' before the throw?

 

If you're speaking about number 2, I would agree with you to a degree. But if you're saying number 1, that MAnziel's 'best' attribute is his straight running ability, I would humbly disagree.

 

Johnny had almost identical completion percentage to Teddy last year. 71% to 69.9% if I remember correctly.

Johnny had more yards 'per pass' than Teddy

Johnny had a higher passer efficiency of the two

Johnny overall had more yards passing on the year

Johnny had less sacks than Teddy did last year

Not to mention a higher QBR too.

 

And none of that has anything to do with his running in the open field. Again tho, apologies if you were talking about mobility in regards to him keeping the play alive for a few more seconds before the throw, because if that, then I do agree with you. That is his trademark, not as some think, his strictly his downfield running ability.

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I want 3 players. Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel. Jaguars have the number 3 pick. Just give me one of those 3 at 3, and I'm happy.

 

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I do like Teddy a little more as a prospect but they are not that far off.

Their physical tools are pretty similar, but Teddy destroys Geno in the mental aspects of the position. 

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I would ask you to define 'mobility' Swag.

 

1)Do you mean mobility in 'running straight ahead', like Michael Vick, Cam Newton or RG3?

2)Or do you mean mobility in 'keeping the play alive behind the line scrimmage' before the throw?

 

If you're speaking about number 2, I would agree with you to a degree. But if you're saying number 1, that MAnziel's 'best' attribute is his straight running ability, I would humbly disagree.

 

Johnny had almost identical completion percentage to Teddy last year. 71% to 69.9% if I remember correctly.

Johnny had more yards 'per pass' than Teddy

Johnny had a higher passer efficiency of the two

Johnny overall had more yards passing on the year

Johnny had less sacks than Teddy did last year

Not to mention a higher QBR too.

 

And none of that has anything to do with his running in the open field. Again tho, apologies if you were talking about mobility in regards to him keeping the play alive for a few more seconds before the throw, because if that, then I do agree with you. That is his trademark, not as some think, his strictly his downfield running ability.

 

"Johnny had almost identical completion percentage to Teddy last year. 71% to 69.9% if I remember correctly." His completion percentage will not translate to the NFL, he throws to wide open WRs after running around for 5-10 seconds, Teddy makes quick reads and gets the ball to the WR on time and accurately.

 

"Johnny had more yards 'per pass' than Teddy" Teddy didn't have a 6'5 WR to throw the ball up in double coverage who could come down with it.

 

"Johnny had a higher passer efficiency of the two" Again, because he did have the ability to extend plays in college, I do not see this working well in the NFL. 

 

"Johnny overall had more yards passing on the year"  That means absolutely nothing, he did throw the ball deep more often, he ran a college spread type offense with a huge first round WR on his team who could catch anything. 

 

"Johnny had less sacks than Teddy did last year" Not only does Manziels mobility help him in this category, he also has played with 2 OT's that have/will go in the top 10 of their respective drafts. 

 

 

To answer your initial question, yes I meant his mobility not only to take off with the ball, but to avoid pass rushers and to bide time. 

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i feel like i have had all of these conversations before lol

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To answer your initial question, yes I meant his mobility not only to take off with the ball, but to avoid pass rushers and to bide time. 

Okay, so that was a little yes and little no, lol  :thumbsup:

 

I do think, because of RG3's already notorious NFL career, Manziel's open field running will be cut down dramatically. Nevertheless, I think/hope his 'extending the play' is something that will never go out of style in the NFL.

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I want 3 players. Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel. Jaguars have the number 3 pick. Just give me one of those 3 at 3, and I'm happy.

 

My top 6 favorite posters on these boards

Deacon
Pirkster
Shack Del Rio
Haterade
Hurricane
Badger

"Johnny had almost identical completion percentage to Teddy last year. 71% to 69.9% if I remember correctly." His completion percentage will not translate to the NFL, he throws to wide open WRs after running around for 5-10 seconds, Teddy makes quick reads and gets the ball to the WR on time and accurately.

 

"Johnny had more yards 'per pass' than Teddy" Teddy didn't have a 6'5 WR to throw the ball up in double coverage who could come down with it.

 

"Johnny had a higher passer efficiency of the two" Again, because he did have the ability to extend plays in college, I do not see this working well in the NFL. 

 

"Johnny overall had more yards passing on the year"  That means absolutely nothing, he did throw the ball deep more often, he ran a college spread type offense with a huge first round WR on his team who could catch anything. 

 

"Johnny had less sacks than Teddy did last year" Not only does Manziels mobility help him in this category, he also has played with 2 OT's that have/will go in the top 10 of their respective drafts. 

 

 

To answer your initial question, yes I meant his mobility not only to take off with the ball, but to avoid pass rushers and to bide time. 

haha, every excuse in the book

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