He prefers Mike Evans to Sammy Watkins.

 

 

 

I prefer Evans to Watkins myself. Evans as I watch more and more tape is a physical freak of nature for his weight/height. To me he is a taller and faster version of Anquan Boldin.

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Not sure how Gabbert was a "late riser". He was rated higher than Newton for most of that offseason. If anything he was a late faller.

 

Oh, I think it's pretty clear that when it came to falling, Gabbert preferred to do it early.

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Bortles is pretty good in the pocket imo.  He's not Gabbert, but I fear the NFL game will be too fast for him.  His decision making will decide his success.

 

Whether or not he "lights up a room" or "is larger than life" or "takes over a room" will literally do nothing to make him successful as a QB.

 

I think it's a reflection of confidence and leadership, and yes, can have a huge impact on his success.  Teams don't rally around guys they don't believe in, and personality plays into that.

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Bortles is pretty good in the pocket imo.  He's not Gabbert, but I fear the NFL game will be too fast for him.  His decision making will decide his success.

 

Whether or not he "lights up a room" or "is larger than life" or "takes over a room" will literally do nothing to make him successful as a QB.

 

If the Jags ended up going after him, odds are they'd want him to sit for a while behind Henne to acclimate himself to the NFL game. 

 

Lighting up a room doesn't give any indication of how good he might be, but what we have seen since the end of the season is a guy who's clearly working on his skills.  From the bowl game to his pro day, he showed marked improvement in his footwork.  He also went from struggling to throw the ball deep enough to missing his receivers long on pro day.  To me, that means he's coachable.  That's the kind of guy you want to develop, especially if he's got all the other things going for him like size and arm strength. 

 

I'm not concerned about the perception that he's a late riser.  It happens every year, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. 

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Exactly.

 

Nick Foles was a late riser, too.  Ben Roethlisberger.  EJ Manuel.

 

Typically, the "ideal" sized QBs with big arms rise when it comes to draft day (if they weren't on the radar already.)  It's why Logan Thomas is getting so much talk lately.  It doesn't mean they pan out, it's just that's what GMs and coaches covet.  An ideally built QB with a skillset/toolset they think they can craft a top QB out of.  Not much else is looked at, since winning in college doesn't guarantee you can win in the NFL.  You can't win on yesterday's success or failure.  But if you have skills and physical traits that aren't coachable, then coaches believe they can mold the rest into their QB.

 

Personality is a big part of what can't be coached, that is necessary for a franchise QB.  Gabbert came off as the young kid he was, and never commanded a room.  There's at least one QB at the top of this class who is even more that timid.  Doesn't sound like they feel that way about Bortles.  I was actually surprised at Boyd's poise and confidence, even after the humpty dumpty like fall from grace he's had.

 

Personality is not necessary for a franchise QB

 

See Joe Montana

 

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If the Jags ended up going after him, odds are they'd want him to sit for a while behind Gabbert to acclimate himself to the NFL game. 

 

Lighting up a room doesn't give any indication of how good he might be, but what we have seen since the end of the season is a guy who's clearly working on his skills.  From the bowl game to his pro day, he showed marked improvement in his footwork.  He also went from struggling to throw the ball deep enough to missing his receivers long on pro day.  To me, that means he's coachable.  That's the kind of guy you want to develop, especially if he's got all the other things going for him like size and arm strength. 

 

I'm not concerned about the perception that he's a late riser.  It happens every year, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. 

 

I'm not concerned either.  Im ok with the Jaguars targeting him.  I think the personality stuff though is smoke.

 

You can be quiet and calm and still be a great leader by letting your play do the talking.  That is something a meeting room can't reveal.

 

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Personality is not necessary for a franchise QB

 

See Joe Montana

 

 

That was sarcasm, right?

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That was sarcasm, right?

 

Are you familiar with Joe Montana?

 

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I'm not concerned either.  Im ok with the Jaguars targeting him.  I think the personality stuff though is smoke.

 

You can be quiet and calm and still be a great leader by letting your play do the talking.  That is something a meeting room can't reveal.

 

 

You still have to have the kind of leadership qualities that will push your guys to step it up.  Leadership doesn't have to be loud and obnoxious.  But, a leader has to have the ability to take control of a situation.  He can't be painfully shy.

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You still have to have the kind of leadership qualities that will push your guys to step it up.  Leadership doesn't have to be loud and obnoxious.  But, a leader has to have the ability to take control of a situation.  He can't be painfully shy.

 

Obviously the guy cant be a complete [BLEEP], but there are all types of personalities across the spectrum for franchise QBs past and present. 

 

Montana was quiet.  He was not a big personality that would "take over a room".

 

Before the final drive before beating the Bengals in the Super Bowl.  He didn't say anything except something to his teammate:

 

"Hey, look down there in that end zone.  You see that? That's John Candy."

 

Nothing else was said.  They drove down the field and won.  No inspiring speech necessary.

 

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Are you familiar with Joe Montana?

 

 

Well I'll always remember this one take they used to play on ESPN....it spoke about how cool and calm Montana was, but also exhibited that he indeed did have a personality....It was during the winning drive of the Cinci/ 49ers 2nd SB.....well into the drive like on the 30 yard line, in the huddle, the players are all hyped/ nervous and what not, and Montana calmly looks over and says, "hey look over there, in the 2nd row....isn't that John Candy?".....and sure enough, it was, and they all got a kick outta that, but the point being, he DID have a personality, but also a coolness about him which was his personality. 

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Obviously the guy cant be a complete [BLEEP], but there are all types of personalities across the spectrum for franchise QBs past and present. 

 

Montana was quiet.  He was not big personality that would "take over a room".

 

Before the final drive before beating the Bengals in the Super Bowl.  He didn't say anything except something to his teammate:

 

"Hey, look down there in that end zone.  You see that? That's John Candy."

 

Nothing else was said.  They drove down the field and won.  No inspiring speech necessary.

 

 

LOL just posted this, but with a different perspective. 

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LOL just posted this, but with a different perspective. 

 

That isn't personality that takes over a room.  Confidence? Calm?  Yes.  That isn't what "takes over a room" IMO

 

Ya, that is a great story.  If you also notice in that documentary, Montana's post game speech was anything but inspiring.  He didn't say much.  He didn't get too enthusiastic.  He was just a quiet dude.

 

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That isn't personality that takes over a room.  Confidence? Calm?  Yes.  That isn't what "takes over a room" IMO

 

 

I never meant that he had this loud or obnoxious personality, but you can still have a personality without being like that. 

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I never meant that he had this loud or obnoxious personality, but you can still have a personality without being like that. 

 

My point is that personality is almost irrelevant.  You can be a "take over the room guy" or you can be a guy who lets his play do the talking (Which I would include Montana in that category).

 

Is confidence necessary?  Yes.  Is "does he take over a room?" necessary?  No.

 

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Check out this Blast from the past.   These were some dark times.

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Check out this Blast from the past.   These were some dark times.

 

 

Let that be exhibit A, next time someone tries to defer to the players that they know so much more than us MB peasants...

 

Granted, we may not know, .....but they ain't no jen-u-is' either....

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A late rising/ hyped QB that wows you on the chalkboard and in interviews, and with measurables, but wows you not at all on tape. 

 

Did you watch any of his games?  Pro style qb that can make all the throws.  I'm not saying we should take him, but you are talking out of the wrong end.

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My point is that personality is almost irrelevant.  You can be a "take over the room guy" or you can be a guy who lets his play do the talking (Which I would include Montana in that category).

 

Is confidence necessary?  Yes.  Is "does he take over a room?" necessary?  No.

 

 

Roger Staubach wasn't a gregarious leader.  Neither were guys like Bart Starr or Johnny Unitas.  You're not expressing some foreign concept. 

 

I think you're reading too much into the OP. 

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