I heard Bridgewater is just 2 midgets in a very intricate costume

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Brett Favre, 6'2", nothing special about his physique or size, he pretty much never missed a game

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I heard Bridgewater is just 2 midgets in a very intricate costume

 

 

Mayock revealed this after his third look at the tape.

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More from Casserly:

 

http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/09/jimmy-garop...nfl-draft/

 

This was a radio interview with Lande on 1010xl

 

http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top...years-qbs/

 

This was February, well before the infamous Pro Day debacle.  In fact, this was roughly three weeks prior to the combine.

 

Again, this has been discussed ad nauseum.  There are plenty more examples in threads on this board if you care to look.  Let's not act as if I hadn't been handing out such links and information this whole time.  I have.  So much so, I've been accused of not having my own opinion, when in fact I was only using the links to support the opinion I had already formed.  Folks acted like I was crazy for being one of the only ones on the board who weren't sold, and I found evidence where GMs and scouts had tipped they felt similarly about the lack of quality at the top of the class.

 

And truly, the quote from Dave Caldwell himself in my sig says quite a lot as well.  Those aren't the types of things said about candidates like Luck, etc.  So right there, it should be clear we're not talking about the same ballpark of prospects.

 

So really, I would advise that if you don't want the answer to the question you're looking for, don't ask the question.  The truth may not be what you're wanting or willing to hear.

 

1.  The first link you provided was from April.

 

2.  The second link you provided was from February.  But it was YOUR OWN WORDS in a thread you started!  It referenced Russ Lande-who is NOT a GM and to my knowledge has NEVER been a GM.

 

3.  You answer to me says absolutely nothing about these so called "GM reports" you referenced earlier.

 

Again, the gist of my post to you did not address scouts concerns regarding Bridgewater.

 

It addressed the "GM reports" you referenced.

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I heard Bridgewater is just 2 midgets in a very intricate costume

Manziel and Doug Flutie looking to make a comeback?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

 

2.  The second link you provided was from February.  But it was YOUR OWN WORDS in a thread you started!  It referenced Russ Lande-who is NOT a GM and to my knowledge has NEVER been a GM.

 

LOL!, wow.... 

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I heard Bridgewater is just 2 midgets in a very intricate costume

 

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One of these days he might just disappear from malnutrition

 

 

He'll be an After School Special.

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1.  The first link you provided was from April.

 

2.  The second link you provided was from February.  But it was YOUR OWN WORDS in a thread you started!  It referenced Russ Lande-who is NOT a GM and to my knowledge has NEVER been a GM.

 

3.  You answer to me says absolutely nothing about these so called "GM reports" you referenced earlier.

 

Again, the gist of my post to you did not address scouts concerns regarding Bridgewater.

 

It addressed the "GM reports" you referenced.

 

Really?  Is that all you've got?

 

You're now asking for "GM reports" when I've referenced guys who reported things they heard from GMs and personel contacts?

 

You're better than this most of the time.  But you really start to reach when you're backed into a corner.

 

You're saying I'm lying about the radio interview with Lande?  He was on just about every week.  If I were to play along with your little charade, I could just as easily ask you about where's the evidence of Casserly's GM "poll" he spoke about.  Ever stop to think that was for conversation's sake and he never did a poll, that he was simply making a poor assumption (just like all the talking heads have done all along?)

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...re-pro-day

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">"There were things you saw on tape when you watched him," said Dominik, who was Bucs GM from 2009-13. "Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he's a quality individual, he's got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you're judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you're looking for."

 

Frangie told a similar story the other day on the radio.  He asked a scout about him and he flat out told him he didn't like him.  More lies, I suppose...

 

There were also whispers that none of the QBs were franchise caliber.  One or two guys hinted at it here and there citing their contacts with organizations.  They were dismissed/ignored at the time.  I've provided links in the past.  You're free to look for them, as I'm certainly not doing your homework for you.  Seems as if you're fine with your current conclusion, so I wouldn't dare suggest you change your mind, or even try to do any more homework at all on the subject.  I've lived through all the mud slung at me, I know what I've read and heard... and if you haven't that's fine.  Don't bother because it doesn't seem as if you care enough to look at the other side.  I tried to give Ted the benefit, but couldn't find anything that backed up all the hype.  Instead, all the mounting evidence brought us to where we are.  Perceptions were wrong about him and what GMs thought about him, and they're only now coming around to what others suspected for a while.

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Is this the Bucs GM that drafted Josh Freeman?

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Really? Is that all you've got?


You're now asking for "GM reports" when I've referenced guys who reported things they heard from GMs and personel contacts?


You're better than this most of the time. But you really start to reach when you're backed into a corner.


You're saying I'm lying about the radio interview with Lande? He was on just about every week. If I were to play along with your little charade, I could just as easily ask you about where's the evidence of Casserly's GM "poll" he spoke about. Ever stop to think that was for conversation's sake and he never did a poll, that he was simply making a poor assumption (just like all the talking heads have done all along?)

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-declined-before-pro-day'>http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-declined-before-pro-day</a>


<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">"There were things you saw on tape when you watched him," said Dominik, who was Bucs GM from 2009-13. "Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he's a quality individual, he's got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you're judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you're looking for."



Frangie told a similar story the other day on the radio. He asked a scout about him and he flat out told him he didn't like him. More lies, I suppose...


There were also whispers that none of the QBs were franchise caliber. One or two guys hinted at it here and there citing their contacts with organizations. They were dismissed/ignored at the time. I've provided links in the past. You're free to look for them, as I'm certainly not doing your homework for you. Seems as if you're fine with your current conclusion, so I wouldn't dare suggest you change your mind, or even try to do any more homework at all on the subject. I've lived through all the mud slung at me, I know what I've read and heard... and if you haven't that's fine. Don't bother because it doesn't seem as if you care enough to look at the other side. I tried to give Ted the benefit, but couldn't find anything that backed up all the hype. Instead, all the mounting evidence brought us to where we are. Perceptions were wrong about him and what GMs thought about him, and they're only now coming around to what others suspected for a while.

From the same article:

Dominik's remarks echoed what former Cleveland Browns GM Phil Savage expressed about Bridgewater earlier this week.


"I think the media has Teddy Bridgewater in the top 10, but around league circles he's more like a late first, early second-round pick," Savage said Thursday on SiriusXM NFL Radio.

All the evidence is there but people still choose to ignore what's right in their faces.


hrugs:

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From the same article:



All the evidence is there but people still choose to ignore what's right in their faces.


hrugs:

 

Not sure you understand what real evidence is.

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<p style="margin-left:40px;">"There were things you saw on tape when you watched him," said Dominik, who was Bucs GM from 2009-13. "Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he's a quality individual, he's got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you're judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you're looking for."

 

 

Not directed at you, pirk, but I just hate quotes like this.  Absolutely zero substance in this paragraph.

 

"Teddy might not have all the pieces you're looking for"... Well GM, how about you give us substance?  What does he lack?  I understand someone citing his size as a weakness or his SOS, but let's hear the other weaknesses?

 

Is it his arm, his intelligence, his accuracy, his pocket presence, what exactly were they discussing last year that made them not so sure?

 

These former GMs working for the TV need to do better than this.  It's crap reporting and crap TV, IMO.

 

I would have loved to see a real former GM break down film and critique Teddy, saying "this is what I see on film and THIS is why I don't think he can be a franchise QB"

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Really?  Is that all you've got?

 

You're now asking for "GM reports" when I've referenced guys who reported things they heard from GMs and personel contacts?

 

You're better than this most of the time.  But you really start to reach when you're backed into a corner.

 

You're saying I'm lying about the radio interview with Lande?  He was on just about every week.  If I were to play along with your little charade, I could just as easily ask you about where's the evidence of Casserly's GM "poll" he spoke about.  Ever stop to think that was for conversation's sake and he never did a poll, that he was simply making a poor assumption (just like all the talking heads have done all along?)

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...re-pro-day

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">"There were things you saw on tape when you watched him," said Dominik, who was Bucs GM from 2009-13. "Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he's a quality individual, he's got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you're judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you're looking for."

 

Frangie told a similar story the other day on the radio.  He asked a scout about him and he flat out told him he didn't like him.  More lies, I suppose...

 

There were also whispers that none of the QBs were franchise caliber.  One or two guys hinted at it here and there citing their contacts with organizations.  They were dismissed/ignored at the time.  I've provided links in the past.  You're free to look for them, as I'm certainly not doing your homework for you.  Seems as if you're fine with your current conclusion, so I wouldn't dare suggest you change your mind, or even try to do any more homework at all on the subject.  I've lived through all the mud slung at me, I know what I've read and heard... and if you haven't that's fine.  Don't bother because it doesn't seem as if you care enough to look at the other side.  I tried to give Ted the benefit, but couldn't find anything that backed up all the hype.  Instead, all the mounting evidence brought us to where we are.  Perceptions were wrong about him and what GMs thought about him, and they're only now coming around to what others suspected for a while.

 

1.  I asked about the so called "GM reports" from the beginning of my interaction with you in this thread.  The purpose of my response to you was not to debunk any whispers that may have been circulating about Bridgewater from scouts.  I asked you specifically about GM reports.  Two responses from you later, I still have nothing but filibuster from you, and not one explanation about these "GM reports" have come in any of these filibusters.

 

2.  I didn't say you were lying or being truthful.  But citing YOUR OWN POST in a discussion where your own prior posts were not an issue...citing your own post when the opinions of GMs were the issue is unresponsive, nonpersuasive, and generally bad form that may cause people to question the veracity of your claims, whether they agree with your underlying presise or not.

 

3.  Your citation of Mark Domenik is amusing, considering he brought in a QB you hated in Freeman a full round ahead of where you think he should have been drafted.

 

4.  I heard the Frangie segment to which you refer.  Frangie's comments cited analysis from a "SCOUT" not your purported "GM reports."

 

Finally, I am not "slinging mud" at you.  I am not jumping on the proverbial grenade to insulate Bridgewater from criticism.

 

You specifically referenced "GM reports." 

 

Had you said "scouting reports," I likely would not have responded to you at all.

 

Unless you have some form of "keyboard Tourette's," you knew or should have known exactly what you were typing.

 

I wanted clarification on those "reports."  I've yet to receive the clarification.

 

Now if your misstatements lead to questions that put you on the defensive, that's not my problem or concern.

 

But that questioning certainly doesn't rise to the level of "mudslinging," especially when you made the unsupported assertion about "GM reports," and quoted YOUR OWN POST to argue against a point I didn't make, all while avoiding the questions I posed to you.

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newsflash:  No current GM will give any reports to the media about anyone.  

 

And if they do, they are completely meaningless because they may be out to deceive the public.

 

The former GMs that are on TV are laughable in many ways.  Like I said, I would love to see some real tape break-down of a prospect where they cite their examples as to why they think a certain player will or won't succeed.

 

All the other stuff we hear is just nonsense.  

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newsflash:  No current GM will give any reports to the media about anyone.  

 

And if they do, they are completely meaningless because they may be out to deceive the public.

 

The former GMs that are on TV are laughable in many ways.  Like I said, I would love to see some real tape break-down of a prospect where they cite their examples as to why they think a certain player will or won't succeed.

 

All the other stuff we hear is just nonsense.  

 

I think they are trying to say that if GMs during football season last year were not sold on Teddy, then likely others are not as well.  Therefore, Teddy being a number 1 pick was purely media/fan hype.  Get it?

 

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newsflash:  No current GM will give any reports to the media about anyone.  

 

And if they do, they are completely meaningless because they may be out to deceive the public.

 

  

 

 

Which is exactly the point.

 

At most, a GM would give a report to an owner, and even then, nobody in the media or these message boards would likely have access to them.

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WTH happened with Bridgewater? I wasn't really paying to close of attention this college season but damn did he really stink it up this bad? Tied for 5th?

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I think they are trying to say that if GMs during football season last year were not sold on Teddy, then likely others are not as well. Therefore, Teddy being a number 1 pick was purely media/fan hype. Get it?

No, the real point is that we dont really know whether GMs are sold on him or not.


We'll see. Just 7 more days to go guys!

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