in reality i know this. But i have never seen anyone grasping for as many straws as the Teddy fans when it comes to their savior for excuses. At one point Teddy was a decent prospect to me but his fans has made it rough. Its like TMD wanting Matt Barkley in the first but worse.

You must have a memory hole for the Tebros then. Bridgewater isn't even in the Manziel class of annoyance.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

in reality i know this. But i have never seen anyone grasping for as many straws as the Teddy fans when it comes to their savior for excuses. At one point Teddy was a decent prospect to me but his fans has made it rough. Its like TMD wanting Matt Barkley in the first but worse.

Umm...jaw surgery is grasping at straws? I would really hate to see what it would take to have a legit excuse for something...maybe an amputation? Maybe?

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No he didn't. Tampa Bay trading what they did for Gruden is irrelevant to the assertion I made and him trying to refute that assertion. Gannon and Brad Johnson were older veteran QB. And as for Brunell...I'm sure Holmgren had the most influence of anyone in regards to his "development" while there. Gruden was a WR's coach.


Lets all stop sucking up to everyone that tries to go anti-TMD, 'k?

hmmm so it's not possible that Gruden helped Gannon and Johnson produce career years? No chance at all huh? Just because I agree with jungle kitten dosent mean I'm anti you. Stop thinking the world is against you and acting like a 5 year old when people disagree.

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hmmm so it's not possible that Gruden helped Gannon and Johnson produce career years? No chance at all huh? Just because I agree with jungle kitten dosent mean I'm anti you. Stop thinking the world is against you and acting like a 5 year old when people disagree.

 

Once a QB has that many years under their belt as Brad Johnson and Gannon had, they are well past the "development" stage. Sorry, but I am not giving Gruden any credit for "developing" either of them. Gruden's history with drafting/ developing young QB is hideous, at best. 

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Umm...jaw surgery is grasping at straws? I would really hate to see what it would take to have a legit excuse for something...maybe an amputation? Maybe?

 

 

 

yeah, no kidding....

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Once a QB has that many years under their belt as Brad Johnson and Gannon had, they are well past the "development" stage. Sorry, but I am not giving Gruden any credit for "developing" either of them. Gruden's history with drafting/ developing young QB is hideous, at best.

perhaps development is the wrong word but he certainly helped coach them

To career years. He knew what worked for them and got the best out of them.

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perhaps development is the wrong word but he certainly helped coach them

To career years. He knew what worked for them and got the best out of them.

 

Yeah, Gruden is a pretty much a veterans coach, IMO. 

 

He's not good with young QB. 

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Yeah, Gruden is a pretty much a veterans coach, IMO.


He's not good with young QB.

so Gruden still has his value as reshape my veteran QBs. No idea why you argue over such silly things.

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Wait.....  I'm confused.  Caldwell and Bradley are still idiots for winning four meaningless games and screwing this franchise for years to come, right?  

 

LOL.  I kid, but it will really be interesting to see what happens with this Bridgewater kid.  Sooooo many posters have hung their hats on one side of the fence or the other with him.  Lots of folks are gonna chew crow no matter what happens with his career.  Even if he's injured and has to retire. 

 

All the talk about his size is valid IMO.  And it's not height or weight that concern me.  It's the narrow shoulders, shallow chest and generally slight frame. Adding muscle to it will help, but his structure is quite narrow.  It won't keep him from being a good QB, but I think it may increase traumatic injury possibility. 

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All the talk about his size is valid IMO. And it's not height or weight that concern me. It's the narrow shoulders, shallow chest and generally slight frame. Adding muscle to it will help, but his structure is quite narrow. It won't keep him from being a good QB, but I think it may increase traumatic injury possibility.

I don't even know what this means.

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I don't even know what this means.

It's simple. His skeleton has a narrow frame.  His shoulder width is narrow in comparison to most NFL players. His rib cage is shallow rather than deep.  

I think that when a 300 pound man lands on top of him these things may become a factor.  

 

You've heard the terms "barrel chested" and "broad-shouldered"  ?  They refer to bone structure - not muscle mass. And he's the opposite of both of those terms.  

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so Gruden still has his value as reshape my veteran QBs. No idea why you argue over such silly things.

 

What does that matter to the subject at hand, which is his drafting/ development of young QB. THATS what I took issue with. I never said Gruden was 100% just a garbage football coach. 

 

Face it, Jungle Cat failed in arguing vs that premise and for whatever reason, you tried to stick up for him and also were wrong by association. 

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If that is true that he played at 220 for his sophomore year, then I would agree his frame is less of a concern.

Its no concern.


He isnt a scrambler. Whther or not he gets hurt will depend on the pocket protection.


Brett Favre was not big. He never missed a game.

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It's simple. His skeleton has a narrow frame. His shoulder width is narrow in comparison to most NFL players. His rib cage is shallow rather than deep.

I think that when a 300 pound man lands on top of him these things may become a factor.


You've heard the terms "barrel chested" and "broad-shouldered" ? They refer to bone structure - not muscle mass. And he's the opposite of both of those terms.

Yet he weighs over 200 lbs.


Big Ben = giant QB


He gets hurt too

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Its no concern.


He isnt a scrambler. Whther or not he gets hurt will depend on the pocket protection.


Brett Favre was not big. He never missed a game.

 

Isn't Favre like 6'3" , 220 ish? 

 

I think a better comparison would be Brees to Bridgewaters frame. 

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Isn't Favre like 6'3" , 220 ish?


I think a better comparison would be Brees to Bridgewaters frame.

6'2"


But does .5 - .75 of an inch make that much of a difference?


This "frame" talk is non sense. If anybody has size concerns, its Manziel since he runs alot. Even then, guys know how to transition to the pro game and slide more.

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Aaron Rodgers has been missing time lately. Maybe he is too small. The Packers should trade him.

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Aaron Rodgers has been missing time lately. Maybe he is too small. The Packers should trade him.

Yup. It's the nfl. Everyone gets hurt regardless of their frame.

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Yup. It's the nfl. Everyone gets hurt regardless of their frame.

If you have pass protection problems, you will have an injured QB problem.

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What does that matter to the subject at hand, which is his drafting/ development of young QB. THATS what I took issue with. I never said Gruden was 100% just a garbage football coach.


Face it, Jungle Cat failed in arguing vs that premise and for whatever reason, you tried to stick up for him and also were wrong by association.

easy there mad puppy.

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