I would prefer we trade back if we're taking either guy because I don't think we should be reaching at 3, especially for Bridgewater.  If it came down to a pick between the two, I'd take the better QB, Manziel.

 

While I completely disagree with your view that Manziel is the better QB, I agree that if we were to draft either at #3 it would be a loss of value.  I'd start giving them looks if we traded back past #10.

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No complaints then if Carr is the pick?  I know I would...

 

Carr is 2nd tier of QB. He's not in the Teddy/ Bortles/ Manziel class. (at least IMO)

 

So, yes, I would have a problem if Carr was the pick in the first round. 

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If they trade down, I'd be 100% on board. I just made this draft as the (non trade version). Who I'd select if we had to stay at all of our selections. 

 

If you're determined to draft a QB at 3, Manziel is the better option.  If you're trading down to get more value, then it's Bridgewater because you'd be able to buy some time to allow him to develop behind a vet.  Drafting a guy at 3 means he's starting almost immediately, and I think Bridgewater would get killed in that scenario. 

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Carr is 2nd tier of QB. He's not in the Teddy/ Bortles/ Manziel class. 

 

So, yes, I would have a problem if Carr was the pick in the first round. 

 

He's considered a 1st rounder by most though.  And there are tons of rumors swirling that several teams have him #1 on their QB board.

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While I completely disagree with your view that Manziel is the better QB, I agree that if we were to draft either at #3 it would be a loss of value.  I'd start giving them looks if we traded back past #10.

 

I think both if not all 3 (Bridge/ Bortles/ Manziel) will be gone by then. 

 

I know all the "talk" is that they'll drop. I won't be shocked if that is just that "chatter" come Thursday when Jax/ Cleve/ and Minnesota or even Tampa all take QB within the first 8 picks. 

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But, the thing he hammered those "puff piece" mock drafts over was how they didn't focus any time on the negatives.  Did the diva? 

 

I agree that neither of the first two reaches were much of a surprise.  He's kind of painted himself into that corner with his endless talk about Bridgewater and hate for Lewis.  The rest of the draft is meh.  Nothing spectacular.  The only other pick I really agree with is Murray because I don't think the guy he's picking at 3 will ascend to the role he has been hoping for.

 

Absolutely, nothing but positives.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUo2MPkFMI4

 

Unicorns!  Show Ponies!  Where's the beef?!

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While I completely disagree with your view that Manziel is the better QB, I agree that if we were to draft either at #3 it would be a loss of value.  I'd start giving them looks if we traded back past #10.

 

Which is my point. 

 

I don't see either as a good value at 3, but Manziel would be a better option because of the intangibles he brings immediately.  Beyond that, neither one is really a top 5 or even realistically a top 10 pick in a draft where you've got better quality at QB.  We're stuck with what's there, and I think the OP was forced to draft a QB because he's been spouting his love for a certain QB for months.  He couldn't very well dance away from it now, so he was forced by his own rhetoric to reach.

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Absolutely, nothing but positives.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUo2MPkFMI4

 

Unicorns!  Show Ponies!  Where's the beef?!

 

So he pretty much did what he's accused others of doing.  He's Puff Dog now. 

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If they trade down, I'd be 100% on board. I just made this draft as the (non trade version). Who I'd select if we had to stay at all of our selections. 

 

If you made the trade down, you'd have to take the risk of losing Bridgewater, Manziel, Matthews, and whoever your 4th was.  What's your reaction if we trade to 8 or 10 and lost all of those players?  Crucifiction?  

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Absolutely, nothing but positives.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUo2MPkFMI4

 

Unicorns!  Show Ponies!  Where's the beef?!

 

 

I miss Tecmo Bowl. Best football video game ever. 

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I think both if not all 3 (Bridge/ Bortles/ Manziel) will be gone by then. 

 

I know all the "talk" is that they'll drop. I won't be shocked if that is just that "chatter" come Thursday when Jax/ Cleve/ and Minnesota or even Tampa all take QB within the first 8 picks. 

 

I think it's going to be the opposite.

 

MIN is going to take the "prototypical" QB Bortles (just like the Bills took EJ.)

 

Then, no other QB in the first unless Manziel is taken by the Browns at 26.

 

If it turns out that way, then Dave Caldwell will be right when the believes the run on QBs happens in the second round.  Makes perfect sense to me.

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So he pretty much did what he's accused others of doing.  He's Puff Dog now. 

 

But Mr Negative when it's someone other than himself calling the shots.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

If you made the trade down, you'd have to take the risk of losing Bridgewater, Manziel, Matthews, and whoever your 4th was.  What's your reaction if we trade to 8 or 10 and lost all of those players?  Crucifiction?  

 

For most, if the deal was good enough to trade down, we'd be happy to take the extra picks and move on.  There's no telling what the diva would do. 

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I think it's going to be the opposite.

 

MIN is going to take the "prototypical" QB Bortles (just like the Bills took EJ.)

 

Then, no other QB in the first unless Manziel is taken by the Browns at 26.

 

If it turns out that way, then Dave Caldwell will be right when the believes the run on QBs happens in the second round.  Makes perfect sense to me.

 

 

Well, we'll see on Thursday. You might be right. I just think at least 3 QB go in the top 10. 

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If you made the trade down, you'd have to take the risk of losing Bridgewater, Manziel, Matthews, and whoever your 4th was.  What's your reaction if we trade to 8 or 10 and lost all of those players?  Crucifiction?  

 

If they trade down, but get a good return of picks, then I'll live with it, even if that means losing out on Bridge or Manziel. Now, I don't want the QB pick to then be Carr, so there is a limit....

 

Theres still great picks like Gilbert, Barr or Evans that you can realistically get around pick 10. 

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I think it's going to be the opposite.

 

MIN is going to take the "prototypical" QB Bortles (just like the Bills took EJ.)

 

Then, no other QB in the first unless Manziel is taken by the Browns at 26.

 

If it turns out that way, then Dave Caldwell will be right when the believes the run on QBs happens in the second round.  Makes perfect sense to me.

 

I think you'll see at least 2 of the 3 go in the first round, but it may not be the 3 the "experts" have been predicting.  Remember, last year we heard all about the Smith hype, and he wasn't the first QB drafted.  Instead, a guy nobody really projected as a first rounder went first to Buffalo. 

 

I think there will be a move made for Manziel in the top third of the draft.  I think Bortles probably doesn't make it past Minnesota.  Then I think you get the wild card selection.  All this talk about Carr's stock rising has to have at least a little merit behind it, and I think it's quite possible he goes in the first round.  If that happens, The Jaguars need to start weighing their options about whether they think Bridgewater will fall to them, or if there's another option the feel they can work with.  I think if Teddy gets down into the 27-32 range, there might be some dealing to be done.

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Well, we'll see on Thursday. You might be right. I just think at least 3 QB go in the top 10. 

 

I honestly think the only way they take a QB with the first pick is if they're trading down.  Then, it really depends on how far they are trading down as to which QB they take.  I do think there's a strong possibility the first rounder is a QB, and it could very well be Bridgewater or Manziel.  It just won't happen at 3.

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My thing with the quarterbacks is this:

 

Most people are writing them off as flawed prospects and their value is dropping because teams are realizing this.  My view is that they are just as good as most of the other top 10 quarterback prospects in the last 20 years, but this draft is particularly deeper and there are more top level prospects which will push these quarterbacks back some.  Add the fact that the middle of the round has security at their current QB position.  You have 2 elite level rushers, 2 elite level receivers, 2-3 elite level tackles, and then you have 4 very intriguing prospects that teams could easily fall in love with in Barr, Ebron, Gilbert, and Dennard.  Then add in 4 quarterbacks with 1st round value.  That's an equation for at least 1 or 2 of the QBs to fall just by virtue of the board.

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Playing with the Bears and Dan Hampton....man.  Defense for days!

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My thing with the quarterbacks is this:

 

Most people are writing them off as flawed prospects and their value is dropping because teams are realizing this.  My view is that they are just as good as most of the other top 10 quarterback prospects in the last 20 years, but this draft is particularly deeper and there are more top level prospects which will push these quarterbacks back some.  Add the fact that the middle of the round has security at their current QB position.  You have 2 elite level rushers, 2 elite level receivers, 2-3 elite level tackles, and then you have 4 very intriguing prospects that teams could easily fall in love with in Barr, Ebron, Gilbert, and Dennard.  Then add in 4 quarterbacks with 1st round value.  That's an equation for at least 1 or 2 of the QBs to fall just by virtue of the board.

 

Agreed, but you have to take into consideration the fact that this team has probably circled at most, 3 QBs who they feel would be a decent fit for the Jaguars, especially with the early picks.  I think most of the QBs  have flaws, although none of the top tier guys have fatal deficiencies that would prevent them from being effective at the next level as long as we find a way to work around those issues.  If you look at the top QBs in this draft (Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater), this team could do wonders with any of the 3.

 

I don't think they're as enamored by Garoppolo as indicated early on.  He's really a project.  But, of that 2nd tier of guys, I could see this team looking at a guy like Murray or Mettenberger as options.  Both players have the potential to be good at the next level.  So, now you have 5 guys, all of which you're going to have a legitimate shot at getting in the draft. Which one is your guy, and which ones do you think lasts to 39?  Because you're either drafting a QB in the first or second round, and that's going to be your guy, at least for now. 

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