Here's the list from 1980 onward of WR drafted in the top 5:

 

1980 - Lam Jones, bust

1984  - Kenny Jackson, bust

 

1984  - Irving Fryar, good player but worth 1st overall or even top 5? Debatable for top 5, flat out no for 1st overall. 

 

1992 - Desmond Howard, bust

1995 - Michael Westbrook, bust

 

1996 - Keyshawn Johnson, dunno if "bust" but big time disappointment for top 5, let alone 1st overall where he went

 

2000 - Peter Warrick, bust

2003 - Charles Rogers, bust

2003 - Andre Johnson, STUD

2004 - Larry Fitz, STUD

2005 - Braylon Edwards, overall? bust. 1 year wonder. 

2007 - Megatron, STUD

2011 - AJ Green, STUD

 

2012 - Blackmon, INC. 

 

note, Tim Brown was actually picked 6th overall, I initially thought top 5. 

I am trying to figure what this list has to do with Sammy Watkins?

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I am trying to figure what this list has to do with Sammy Watkins?

 


Because he isn't 6'3" (a whole two inches taller) he will be a bust.

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Here's the list from 1980 onward of WR drafted in the top 5:

 

1980 - Lam Jones, bust

1984  - Kenny Jackson, bust

 

1984  - Irving Fryar, good player but worth 1st overall or even top 5? Debatable for top 5, flat out no for 1st overall. 

 

1992 - Desmond Howard, bust

1995 - Michael Westbrook, bust

 

1996 - Keyshawn Johnson, dunno if "bust" but big time disappointment for top 5, let alone 1st overall where he went

 

2000 - Peter Warrick, bust

2003 - Charles Rogers, bust

2003 - Andre Johnson, STUD

2004 - Larry Fitz, STUD

2005 - Braylon Edwards, overall? bust. 1 year wonder. 

2007 - Megatron, STUD

2011 - AJ Green, STUD

 

2012 - Blackmon, INC. 

 

note, Tim Brown was actually picked 6th overall, I initially thought top 5. 

There have been some recent studs, but I wouldn't consider Watkins in that group.

 

All were much more complete players entering the draft.

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Here's the list from 1980 onward of WR drafted in the top 5:

 

1980 - Lam Jones, bust

1984  - Kenny Jackson, bust

 

1984  - Irving Fryar, good player but worth 1st overall or even top 5? Debatable for top 5, flat out no for 1st overall. 

 

1992 - Desmond Howard, bust

1995 - Michael Westbrook, bust

 

1996 - Keyshawn Johnson, dunno if "bust" but big time disappointment for top 5, let alone 1st overall where he went

 

2000 - Peter Warrick, bust

2003 - Charles Rogers, bust

2003 - Andre Johnson, STUD

2004 - Larry Fitz, STUD

2005 - Braylon Edwards, overall? bust. 1 year wonder. 

2007 - Megatron, STUD

2011 - AJ Green, STUD

 

2012 - Blackmon, INC. 

 

note, Tim Brown was actually picked 6th overall, I initially thought top 5. 

 

Yeah, you need to downplay Fryar and his nearly 13,000 yards receiving, 80+ TDs, and 5 Pro Bowls as being undeserving of the pick.

 

You could do the same type of analysis for every position drafted in the top 5 and you'd probably see a very similar trend for the % of hits that came from the top of the drafts over the past 30+ years. 

 

Should we just not draft anyone, or is it only acceptable to reach on an overrated (by you) QB?

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I am trying to figure what this list has to do with Sammy Watkins?

He's trying to create the straw man argument that drafting a receiver in the top 5 is always a bad move. 

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There have been some recent studs, but I wouldn't consider Watkins in that group.

 

All were much more complete players entering the draft.

 

Unless you have a crystal ball that can tell us all the future, all you have is your own opinion on the matter. 

 

Considering the fact that there's a consensus that Watkins is a top 5 pick, should we take the opinion of some puddle spreading chihuahua, and you?  Or, should we give credence to the opinion of those who are actually paid to make these calls? 

 

In the end, I think I'm going to go with the people who watch film, talk to personnel guys, and are generally plugged in over a fry cook, and, well, you.  Sorry.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I am trying to figure what this list has to do with Sammy Watkins?

 

It generally shows that the WR that actually prove worthy of a pick that high seem to be of similar build/ skill set. The bigger framed WR, that go up and outphysical their defenders and get the ball at its highest point. (A JOhnson/ Megaron/ Fitz/ Green)

 

Many of the WR that had builds closer to Watkins' from the top 5, turned out to be disappointments.

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I am trying to figure what this list has to do with Sammy Watkins?

 

Nothing.

 

But this type of interaction is what gets him through the day.

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Selecting rail thin, average arm strength QBs in the top 5, especially when they arent of the Elway/Manning/Luck mold has long proven to be a bad decision.

 

Basically there is no one worth taking in top 20 of this draft.

 

Based on the criteria the diva has established as the benchmark, that's partly correct.  There is no one worth taking int he top 20 of this draft unless they have the glittery endorsement of the diva.  If that means drafting a waif at 3, then that's the smart call, right?

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Yeah, you need to downplay Fryar and his nearly 13,000 yards receiving, 80+ TDs, and 5 Pro Bowls as being undeserving of the pick.

 

You could do the same type of analysis for every position drafted in the top 5 and you'd probably see a very similar trend for the % of hits that came from the top of the drafts over the past 30+ years. 

 

Should we just not draft anyone, or is it only acceptable to reach on an overrated (by you) QB?

 

Wow, Fryar compiled that much? Craig Biggio, right there. Fryar was good, but never would put him in the Megatron/ Green/ Fitz/ tier. 

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I am trying to figure what this list has to do with Sammy Watkins?

 

If Lam Jones being a bust in 1980 doesn't prove Watkins will be a bust, I don't know what will.

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It generally shows that the WR that actually prove worthy of a pick that high seem to be of similar build/ skill set. The bigger framed WR, that go up and outphysical their defenders and get the ball at its highest point. (A JOhnson/ Megaron/ Fitz/ Green)

 

Many of the WR that had builds closer to Watkins', turned out to be disappointments. (the rest)

 

So now it's about build? 

 

This just keeps getting better. 

 

Can you list all of the twiggish, average height QBs drafted over the past 35 years who have succeeded in the NFL? 

 

As far as build goes, the two greatest receivers who ever put on a Jags jersey were similarly built.

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So now it's about build? 

 

This just keeps getting better. 

 

Can you list all of the twiggish, average height QBs drafted over the past 35 years who have succeeded in the NFL? 

 

As far as build goes, the two greatest receivers who ever put on a Jags jersey were similarly built.

 

The Jags duo wasn't drafted top 5. Irrelevant. 

 

 

You don't draft someone like Watkins in the top 5. Especially in a deep draft at WR. Its proven too risky. 

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Wow, Fryar compiled that much? Craig Biggio, right there. Fryar was good, but never would put him in the Megatron/ Green/ Fitz/ tier. 

 

Spin spin spin, tiny dancer.

 

If Lam Jones being a bust in 1980 doesn't prove Watkins will be a bust, I don't know what will.

 

If anything, what that evaluation proves is that teams have gotten better at identifying receiver talent in recent years.  

 

If the Jags go Watkins, I think I'll trust the evaluation process of Caldwell & Co. over Cookie and Mo.

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The Jags duo wasn't drafted top 5. Irrelevant. 

 

 

You don't draft someone like Watkins in the top 5. Especially in a deep draft at WR. Its proven too risky. 

 

He's a consensus top five pick, while your beloved Bridgewater is not.

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IIn todays NFL, I dont think you have to be the Megatron type build (of course it helps).  The rules and play dictate smaller receivers having success

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If anything, what that evaluation proves is that teams have gotten better at identifying receiver talent in recent years.


If the Jags go Watkins, I think I'll trust the evaluation process of Caldwell & Co. over Cookie and Mo.

Bingo.

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Its going to be funny when the Jags DONT draft Watkins, and then the same people that are talking him up will take on the "oh, well he wasn't worth a top 5 pick", take...

 



 

Meanwhile, MY take on Watkins will remain consistent, even after we don't select him. 

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IIn todays NFL, I dont think you have to be the Megatron type build (of course it helps). The rules and play dictate smaller receivers having success

You dont find Megatrons every year lol Watkins is and will be very good but he will never be Calvin.

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Here's the list from 1980 onward of WR drafted in the top 5:

 

1980 - Lam Jones, bust

1984  - Kenny Jackson, bust

 

1984  - Irving Fryar, good player but worth 1st overall or even top 5? Debatable for top 5, flat out no for 1st overall. 

 

1992 - Desmond Howard, bust

1995 - Michael Westbrook, bust

 

1996 - Keyshawn Johnson, dunno if "bust" but big time disappointment for top 5, let alone 1st overall where he went

 

2000 - Peter Warrick, bust

2003 - Charles Rogers, bust

2003 - Andre Johnson, STUD

2004 - Larry Fitz, STUD

2005 - Braylon Edwards, overall? bust. 1 year wonder. 

2007 - Megatron, STUD

2011 - AJ Green, STUD

 

2012 - Blackmon, INC. 

 

note, Tim Brown was actually picked 6th overall, I initially thought top 5. 

 

Good research.


 

Based on your list, I'd say that scouting the top WRs has improved greatly in the last ten years. Even Blackmon and Edwards had the talent, just not the character.


 

Ten years ago I was of the same opinion as you, that it was a mistake to draft a WR in the top 10 unless the value was overwhelming because the bust rate was very high for the position. But with the new rules protecting QBs and WRs, it seems that things have changed.

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