How about his accuracy?.... :whistling:

Oh, you mean the same thing Bortles has issues with as well?


Despite what people want to think, accuracy isn't the all telling, non fixable trait the media makes it out to be. Both Bortles and Savage have had accuracy issues in school, but there are one of two reasons for that: it's either due to slight mechanical issues such as footwork or putting too much force into your throws, or it's due to not having a feel for the football itself and therefore not being a natural "thrower" of the football.


Logan Thomas falls into the latter category, which is why very few if any believe he will ever play QB in the NFL. The same criticism was applied to Tebow. If you're not a natural thrower of the football and don't have a feel for it, then that is something that's rarely fixable. That's not the criticism applied to Bortles and Savage, who are natural throwers of the football. Their accuracy issues just stem from two different mechanical reasons: Bortles because of unrefined mechanics with his footwork and sometimes throwing motion, and Savage because of being too confident in his arm and therefore forcing balls in the air that tend to sail over the receivers. Two things that can be fixed.


Again, I'm not gonna claim that Savage will definitely pan out not am I saying that he's better than Bortles. I think Bortles will be a good QB once he's developed. My argument is that Savage isn't this completely raw project who was a reach with a compensatory fourth round pick, he was very easily worth a late third round pick and therefore he's a low risk/high reward type guy for the Texans. He's only considered a project because he hasn't had the playing time of other college QB's.

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You can throw Manziel in there too, and there's no "maybe" with Bortles, too many QB needy teams passed on Savage, that alone should tell you something.

Manziel is overrated. That's coming from a Texas guy who has also seen A&M games. He's good, and he may be a premiere QB in the NFL. He's far from a sure thing though. Just because he was drafted in the first round doesn't make him any more

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You can throw Manziel in there too, and there's no "maybe" with Bortles, too many QB needy teams passed on Savage, that alone should tell you something.

Manziel is overrated. That's coming from a Texas guy who has also seen A&M games. He's good, and he may be a premiere QB in the NFL. He's far from a sure thing athough. Just because he was drafted in the first round doesn't make him any more of a sure thing then the QB's taken behind him. The same technically applies to Bortles and Teddy, but the reason I think they're definitely better than Savage is because Teddy has the overall polish and mentality you want at the position and Bortles has the overall physical attributes you desire in a QB to go along with good intangibles and a solid mentality.


Players are always going to be drafted based on college performance, as well as what school they went to. Players need to be evaluated beyond that though. That's why despite being a Texans fan I'm not afraid to say that Clowney was a risky pick. I probably would have preferred Khalil Mack or Bortles. But I could understand being enticed with pairing Clowney with Watt.

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Oh, you mean the same thing Bortles has issues with as well?

 

 



 

You mean the 11th most accurate QB in college football last year?  With 68% of his passes completed?  Savage was 55th by the way.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

You mean the 11th most accurate QB in college football last year? With 68% of his passes completed? Savage was 55th by the way.

Lol you are aware that's because Bortles mainly ran a spread/pistol offense and was hardly ever asked to throw the deep ball, while Savage ran a pro style offense at Pitt and was asked to run a more traditional shotgun/west coast offense right?


Those numbers are severely bloated.

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http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2014/03...ectacular/

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2014/03/2014-quarterback-passing-chart-spectacular/'>http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2014/03/2014-quarterback-passing-chart-spectacular/</a>

Lol yeah, that link proved that Bortles was high on the charts for accuracy. But you also proved my point when Logan Thomas was also high on the lists.

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Lol yeah, that link proved that Bortles was high on the charts for accuracy. But you also proved my point when Logan Thomas was also high on the lists.

Logan Thomas is better than Tom Savage.  But he's still not really that high on the list.  Especially the overall list.  Unless you call 15th high.  But hey, whatever makes you sleep better at night.  Tom Savage won't amount to anything in the NFL no matter how much you want him to though.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Logan Thomas is better than Tom Savage. But he's still not really that high on the list. Especially the overall list. Unless you call 15th high. But hey, whatever makes you sleep better at night. Tom Savage won't amount to anything in the NFL no matter how much you want him to though.

Lol but Logan Thomas will huh? Now I know you're ridiculous. Thomas has terrible mechanics, poor decision making and probably the worst accuracy in college football when he was pressured.


So please explain why Savage can't succeed in the NFL for sure Einstein. Let's see:


1-four star recruit and all american coming out f high school.


2-Has an NFL caliber arm, one that might be better than many QB's already in the league.


3-clean mechanics in the pocket, and handled a pro style offense fairly well as a pocket passer. Something Bortles and Mamziel both struggled with.


4-has good movement in the pocket. As in he's able to extend plays and buy some time to make throws before the play is broken down, even if he can't run for extra yards.


5-gets up after every hit with physical and mental toughness.


Savage clearly has upside. So your argument thy he won't amount to anything for sure is hilarious. Accuracy is his only real issue because of his forced throws as well as the fact that he was simply rusty for not playing for two years before last season. And Savage got better in every game, his accuracy greatly improved the last couple of games.


No QB is a guarantee to succeed. Not Savage, not Bortles, Teddy or Manziel. As a Texan fan I initially wasn't happy taking Savage either, but after studying him and learning his background I can see why O'Brien likes him, he has all the intangibles to go with coachable traits. Are the chances likely that he will succeed? Maybe not, but I respect the Texans' decision to not reach for a QB if they weren't high on anyone but Teddy and Blake in the first couple of rounds. If Savage succeeds, he's essentially a fifth round steal. If he doesn't, the Texans can pool all of their resources into drafting Mariota or Hundley or someone in the next draft.

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http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2014/03...ectacular/

 

Good read, thanks for posting. 

 

However, I seriously doubt the Jags drafted Bortles because of who he is now, they're banking on who he's going to be in 10 years. 

 

Same for the Texans & Savage. Obviously the Jags think Bortles is more likely to be the guy they think he can be than the Texans think of Tom Savage. & they should. In two years, three years in that system, Bortles has shown a lot more than Savage has... in the system he was in for two years, one year playing. 

 

I think Tom showed he's a natural for the game. Had he played two years at Pittsburgh, no doubt in my mind he'd have been much higher on that list in all those categories. But he didn't & it is what it is. That's the main reason I think Savage needs to play. He might not be the best option for the Texans week 1, but the more he plays, the more likely he'll be that guy the Texans want him to be 10 years from now. The more they sit him on the bench, the less likely he'll ever be that guy. 

 

But we'll see. 

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