I'm sure if he meets your expectations, you'll simply move the goal line. After all, he's not Gabbert. 

 

LOL... he acts as if he hasn't already lost all credibility (what little there ever was via n00b courtesy was spent rather quickly at the onset.)

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There's that lack in maturity I was mentioning. Right on schedule.

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Quit making fun of the guy. You've just never seen him with a decent team and the same coach two years in a row. This year is going to be different!

Hard to say he'll be a substantially better player, but with more weapons and another year in the system, he should get about 3900 to 4000 yards and about 18 or 20 TDs.


Some people believe that is terrible production. Those people should go back to playing their game consoles.

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Henne is still in the league.  Garrard is hoping for a shot to land on a roster after being out of the league for a while.  He got an opportunity to latch on to the Jets roster toward the end of last season, but never saw the field. 

 

Garrard was not without question better than Henne.  He was just in, without question, a much better situation than Chad was with MJD in his prime, a defense that was effective, and enough receiving talent to be effective. 

 

Garrard, like Henne, is not a guy who is going to carry the team when things aren't working. 

 

Garrard didn't put up overly impressive statistics beyond a few key bits during the 2007 season that got him a mega contract.  Beyond that anomaly, Garrard has been pedestrian on his best days. 

 

Not playing up Henne, but to say Garrard was better without question despite the fact that their situations are different is pointless.  Neither QB is going to set the world on fire.  Both are better suited to hold a clipboard.  Both have been starters for this team.  That tells you how bad the talent at QB has been here.  Fortunately, that streak should be coming to an end at some point this year.  Until then, Henne will be a serviceable starter for the team.  Nothing impressive.  But serviceable.

Well.. Garrard has been in the league 6 years longer than Henne and has surpassed the 15 TD plateau. Garrard threw 23 TDs with who exactly at WR? DG didn't turn the ball over as much and was better extending plays out of the pocket.

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Let's not let the passing of time cloud the mind.  Henne was every bit as good as Garrard 2009.

 

Garrard's best season, 2007, was one where he effectively managed the game as asked.  He had not one, but two outstanding running backs and a very capable and stout defense to bail him out, and bail him out they did quite often.  Of the only two memorable plays of his entire career, one was blind luck (Hail Mary) and the other was assisted by a blatant hold that wasn't called or it would have never happened.

 

He was carried by the team throughout his career, which (even in down seasons) was certainly exponentially more talented than what we put on the field last year.  If we had competent play at QB during his tenure, we'd certainly gone better than 1 for 2 in the playoffs.

 

I don't think Henne was as good as 09' Garrard. Garrard took care of the ball better, throwing 10 picks in 16 starts compared to Henne's 14 picks in 13 starts. Garrard was also superior in Passer Rating, completion %, YPA, and overall record. Henne edges him out in yards but that's about it.

 

As for the hold in the Pittsburgh playoff game, yes it was a hold, it still should not have been needed because of the blatant PI call the gave Pittsburgh the lead. Fair's fair, but I don't know why you're bringing this up, because Henne's never even sniffed a playoff game. 

 

Henne's supporting cast in Miami was every bit as good as Garrard's supporting cast post-2007. And we had competent QB play. A great QB would've taken the team much deeper, but the divisional round game in NE was far from Garrard's fault. In fact, I seem to remember our Defense getting steam-rolled along with having both Dennis Northcutt and Matt Jones drop TD's in the second half. 

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Well.. Garrard has been in the league 6 years longer than Henne and has surpassed the 15 TD plateau. Garrard threw 23 TDs with who exactly at WR? DG didn't turn the ball over as much and was better extending plays out of the pocket.

 

I don't get it either. Henne hasn't matched Garrard stat-wise nor has he matched him record-wise once.

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Well.. Garrard has been in the league 6 years longer than Henne and has surpassed the 15 TD plateau. Garrard threw 23 TDs with who exactly at WR? DG didn't turn the ball over as much and was better extending plays out of the pocket.

 

 

Where is Garrard today? 

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I don't get it either. Henne hasn't matched Garrard stat-wise nor has he matched him record-wise once.

 

It's not about matching anything stat wise.  It's about mediocrity being mediocrity.  Garrard was, and so is Henne.  You and others here are debating about who is the taller midget.  Garrard is both gone, and irrelevant to the discussion.  Henne is here, and is the starter until such time as Bortles is ready to go.  It's okay to move on.

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Where is Garrard today?

Where will Henne be in six years?

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Where will Henne be in six years?

Irrelevant.

 

Bortles hopefully owns the job long before that.

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Where is Garrard today? 

 

That's a pretty flawed argument. David Garrard came into the league way before Henne.

 

It's not about matching anything stat wise.  It's about mediocrity being mediocrity.  Garrard was, and so is Henne.  You and others here are debating about who is the taller midget.  Garrard is both gone, and irrelevant to the discussion.  Henne is here, and is the starter until such time as Bortles is ready to go.  It's okay to move on.

 

Garrard was clearly superior to Henne throughout all his seasons. I honestly don't see how it's even debatable. And he is relevant to the discussion, because we're talking about Henne's ceiling for this season. Some say he can pull off a Garrard-level season, and some say he's Garrard level already. If this were the "Bortles' reps increases over Henne's," thread, then Garrard would be irrelevant.

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Irrelevant.


Bortles hopefully owns the job long before that.

It's irrelevant that Garrard came into the league six years earlier? You are bagging on DG for not having a job in the league as if performance alone is the reason and that age and wear doesn't factor. Six years from now, if not sooner, Henne will be in that same boat. Don't kid yourself.

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. It's irrelevant that Garrard came into the league six years earlier? You are bagging on DG for not having a job in the league as if performance alone is the reason and that age and wear doesn't factor. Six years from now, if not sooner, Henne will be in that same boat. Don't kid yourself.

 

It's irrelevant because Garrard is out of the league, and Henne will have long since moved on.  It's really not that difficult to understand.  It doesn't matter if Henne would match Garrard's pretty mediocre stats in 6 years because neither one of them are going to be the QB for this team beyond this season.  You're welcome to obsess about something that's irrelevant if you want.  I'm not kidding myself about anything.  I simply don't care. 

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That's a pretty flawed argument. David Garrard came into the league way before Henne.

 

 

Garrard was clearly superior to Henne throughout all his seasons. I honestly don't see how it's even debatable. And he is relevant to the discussion, because we're talking about Henne's ceiling for this season. Some say he can pull off a Garrard-level season, and some say he's Garrard level already. If this were the "Bortles' reps increases over Henne's," thread, then Garrard would be irrelevant.

 

Clearly superior?  Thanks for the laugh.  Mr. Self Sack could be a turnover machine at times, and was just as adept as Henne at derailing drives.  It's amazing how much people want to romanticize mediocrity once it's long gone. 

 

But hey, keep clinging to Garrard. He really matters right now, doesn't he?

 

Pulling off a Garrard level average season isn't like climbing Mt. Everest. 

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It's irrelevant because Garrard is out of the league, and Henne will have long since moved on.  It's really not that difficult to understand.  It doesn't matter if Henne would match Garrard's pretty mediocre stats in 6 years because neither one of them are going to be the QB for this team beyond this season.  You're welcome to obsess about something that's irrelevant if you want.  I'm not kidding myself about anything.  I simply don't care.

With all due respect, this is the weakest argument I have ever heard from you. You are normally fairly reasonable. This is nonsense.

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Clearly superior?  Thanks for the laugh.  Mr. Self Sack could be a turnover machine at times, and was just as adept as Henne at derailing drives.  It's amazing how much people want to romanticize mediocrity once it's long gone. 

 

But hey, keep clinging to Garrard. He really matters right now, doesn't he?

 

Pulling off a Garrard level average season isn't like climbing Mt. Everest. 

 

He was clearly superior. Henne hasn't broken an 80 rating nor had a season where he posted more TD's than INT's, and has a career completion % below 60. You call Garrard Mr. Self Sack, yet Henne was sacked more on a start by start basis compared to Garrard while with the Jags, and I even took the liberty of throwing out Garrard's 07' season when making the calculation. 

 

I'm not clinging to Garrard, I'm just not simply touting Henne as something he is not. And yes, Henne can play at Garrard's level, but he hasn't yet.

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Let's not let the passing of time cloud the mind.  Henne was every bit as good as Garrard 2009.

 

Garrard's best season, 2007, was one where he effectively managed the game as asked.  He had not one, but two outstanding running backs and a very capable and stout defense to bail him out, and bail him out they did quite often.  Of the only two memorable plays of his entire career, one was blind luck (Hail Mary) and the other was assisted by a blatant hold that wasn't called or it would have never happened.

 

He was carried by the team throughout his career, which (even in down seasons) was certainly exponentially more talented than what we put on the field last year.  If we had competent play at QB during his tenure, we'd certainly gone better than 1 for 2 in the playoffs.

 

I'm far from a Garrard fan.
 Like you, I wanted the Jags to upgrade the position when Garrard was QB, and they never did. I still painfully remember the 2004 game against the tacks. But let's not re-write history just to make a point.

 

In 2007, Garrard more than managed the game. I remember lots of times when he completed 1st down passes on 3rd and long. It was his only above average season, but he was exceptional that year. There's a reason the Jags gave him the big contract. The run against the Steelers was aided by a hold, but that kind of hold is fairly common and rarely called. There's holding on just about every play. Of course Steeler fans made a big deal out of it at the time. The Jags won that game legitimately.


 

And after 2005 Garrard never had a receiver I would consider better than a mediocre #2. Northcutt was the best of a bad bunch, and he was little more than a journeyman. Henne has better receivers. Garrard had a better OL. It's hard to judge the two vs. each other, except that Henne has yet to have an even average season.

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When Bortles has his first bad game, how many of these knuckleheads will have turned on him and be clamoring for the "next great thing"? I can name each and every one from this thread.

 

It's the Madden syndrome at work. The "I can do it better than the team" mentality. All the while, we are seated firmly behind computers, not at some NFL executive office.....

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It sure does seem like the longer Garrard has been gone the better he was when he was here. He had the one good year capped off with a road playoff win against the hated Steelers. Other then that he was pretty average with the occasional flash of being above average. Heck, even Henne has shown brief flashes of being above average, although as we all know, it doesn't last very long and rarely ends well.

 

I guess to really settle the Garrard vs Henne debate, you only have to ask yourself 1 question: Which of the 2 would you want to be your starting QB on the current Jags team going into this season?

 

Answer that question and that will tell you who the better average QB is.

 

Personally I would take Garrard b/c I believe he gives you the better chance of winning a game between the 2.

 

I know Henne's play is much more fresh in your minds, but i would still pick DG over Henne if I could only choose between the 2.

 

On a side note, I would pick Henne over Blaine Gabbert, so as you can see I'm not a Henne hater.

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It sure does seem like the longer Garrard has been gone the better he was when he was here. He had the one good year capped off with a road playoff win against the hated Steelers. Other then that he was pretty average with the occasional flash of being above average. Heck, even Henne has shown brief flashes of being above average, although as we all know, it doesn't last very long and rarely ends well.

 

I guess to really settle the Garrard vs Henne debate, you only have to ask yourself 1 question: Which of the 2 would you want to be your starting QB on the current Jags team going into this season?

 

Answer that question and that will tell you who the better average QB is.

 

Personally I would take Garrard b/c I believe he gives you the better chance of winning a game between the 2.

 

I know Henne's play is much more fresh in your minds, but i would still pick DG over Henne if I could only choose between the 2.

 

On a side note, I would pick Henne over Blaine Gabbert, so as you can see I'm not a Henne hater.

 

For the current situation with Bortles, Henne is the better choice. Garrard was a competitive QB, did not like being a backup, and was not a good guy to have around if you're trying to develop a young QB. I don't think that's true about Henne.

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