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Henne – Just the facts
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Yeah, I don't think Garrard was very found of Gabbert. And I doubt he'd like Bortles either.
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I feel bad for David Garrard in the fact that at least Byron Leftwich had a post-career with several teams wanting him, and him getting the opportunites (due to injuries and his hard work learning their playbook) to start for each team. He even got to go to the SuperBowl with the Steelers as a backup and get a ring.
When you look at both of their careers Byron was the more favored QB by teams including the Jaguars, and David was the fighter trying to prove himself constantly and many times doing so only to fail down the road. Both players were inconsitent but I feel Byron's had more to do with injuries than David. Quote:Yeah, I don't think Garrard was very found of Gabbert. And I doubt he'd like Bortles either. What has Garrard said that would make you think he doesn't like Bortles? Honestly I think you're just pulling that one out of your butt. Doesn't matter. Play the kid. Quote:I don't think Henne was as good as 09' Garrard. Well, toss out opinion and just look at the facts. Garrard 2009 16 starts 3597 yards, 15 TDs, 10 INTs 7.0 y/a, 83.5 QBR Garrard also ranked 1st in fumbles with 14 (tie with Matt Cassel) Henne 2013 13 starts 3241 yards, 13 TDs, 14 INTs 6.4 y/a, 76.5 QBR It's really not all that different. But the teams certainly were different. 2009 Jaguars Defense allowed 380 points, 23.8/game MJD 4th in rushing with 1391, 2nd in rushing TDs with 15 MJD 5th in rush yds/game with 86.9 MJD 2nd in total TDs with 16 MJD 4th yards from scrimmage with 1765, 9th all purpose yds with 1886 MJD 3rd in touches with 371 Mike Thomas 7th in yds/touch with 13.0 2013 Jaguars Defense allowed 449 points, 28.1/game Jordan Todman 10th in kick return yds with 712 Jordan Todman 9th in yds/kick return with 27.4 Josh Scobee 8th in FG% with 92.000 Bryan Anger 1st in punts with 95, 1st in punting yds with 4338 Our team "weapon" in 2013 was Bryan Anger, and without question it was MJD in 2009.
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Quote:Well, toss out opinion and just look at the facts. So what you're basically saying is that the game plan to run the ball a lot held down Garrard's stats in '09 while Henne had a pass first game plan and still failed to reach something approaching parity with Garrard? We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
I repeat:
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. - Albert Einstein
You guys are arguing over something that's completely irrelevant. could Henne have a good year this year? Sure and if he does that will say alot about this teams development. If he doesn't we get another good draft pick and Bortles takes over next year either way.
Quote:So what you're basically saying is that the game plan to run the ball a lot held down Garrard's stats in '09 while Henne had a pass first game plan and still failed to reach something approaching parity with Garrard? Your ignorance must be bliss. Garrard was also a league leader in passing attempts (9th with 516, which was two more than 10th rated Drew Brees.) Oops... Sorry the truth doesn't fit your agenda again, again. You really don't understand this game of football, do you? MJD gave them first downs and kept them on the field, allowing them more offensive plays in 2009. The lack of those first downs is also why Anger was a 2013 standout. It's sad this needs to be explained to you, but that's simply par for your course.
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Quote:Your ignorance must be bliss. Garrard was also a league leader in passing attempts (9th with 516, which was two more than 10th rated Drew Brees.) Which is about the same number of attempts that Henne had this year. Sounds like Garrard just did more with the ball. Maybe he was just a better player. No, that couldn't be it. That doesn't fit your agenda. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:Which is about the same number of attempts that Henne had this year. Sounds like Garrard just did more with the ball. Maybe he was just a better player.I think Garrard was more succesful and probably a little better but it dosent matter now.
Quote:I think Garrard was more succesful and probably a little better but it dosent matter now. They are basically the same guy. QBs that will play to the level of the guys around them only Garrard actually had a few years with good teams. Quote:Just to be different, Bortles.
Quote:They are basically the same guy. QBs that will play to the level of the guys around them only Garrard actually had a few years with good teams.In 2009 the Jaguars had MJD and... pretty much no one else of quality. In 2013 the Jaguars had Cecil Shorts, Blackmon for a few games, and pretty much no one else of quality. Garrard was the better QB on another roster depleted Jaguars team, that pirkster is so willing to try to contort the stats and rationalize the situation must mean he's got quite the emotional investment in Henne for some reason.
Quote:In 2009 the Jaguars had MJD and... pretty much no one else of quality. I'd give the nod to Garrard too, he is more likely to create something out of nothing, but its not a huge margin. The 2009 roster was definitely better in just about every department. Shorts doesn't compare to 2009 MJD and we had Mike Sims-Walker playing his best football that year too. Quote:Just to be different, Bortles. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:I'd give the nod to Garrard too, he is more likely to create something out of nothing, but its not a huge margin. I'm not sure the 2009 roster was better. It had the advantage of continuity, but MJD was the only playmaker, kind of like Shorts is the only playmaker that was playing most of the year in 2013. Like you said, Garrard was a game manager and nothing special, but he was still miles ahead of a guy like Henne who is a guy that shoots his own team in the foot on a pretty consistent basis.
Garrard was amazing at quick slant passes, the problem was that he basically only threw quick slants. Once defenses figured that out, he was pretty much neutralized as a Qb.
Henne isn't consistent, but makes throws other than slants. They both are average to bad QBs. I remember by the tail end of Garrard's career, I had given up hope on him. Chad at least is new to the organization, relatively speaking. He probably will have a couple horrible games, a couple mediocre games, and a few games where we'll all just shake our heads. By that time it'll be mid November and BB will be replacing him. I'm hoping Chad comes out guns a blazing. More than likely, he's just filling a spot till BB is ready to go. HOPEFULLY that's around week 9 or 10 Quote:What has Garrard said that would make you think he doesn't like Bortles? Honestly I think you're just pulling that one out of your butt. You took that way too seriously, but yeah, I shouldn't make assumptions. My mistake. Quote:Well, toss out opinion and just look at the facts. How is that not different? That's clearly different, and anyone looking at those statistics can clearly see who was better of the two. Quote:2009 Jaguars Sure, Henne had less to work with in 13' than Garrard had in 09'. However, in 09', Miami's running game was superior to Jacksonville's, and Henne's performance was no different then it was last season. When Henne was on Miami, his surrounding team was just as good as if not better than Garrard's, and he still performed at the same level he's performing at now. You can use the surrounding player argument to make Henne look better, but he's had decent supporting casts in the past and looked no different. Which is why I'm keeping a wait and see attitude about Henne.
I've seen enough of Henne. I don't feel he has it in him regardless of his supporting cast to be anything more than he has been. I would love for him to light it up, but I am not going to lie to myself or make excuses for his sub par performance to date. I expect him to be a liability until such time as he is replaced. Good QBs make those around them better. Henne has never elevated anyone else's play on this level. He has never strung together three decent games in a row. I was so disgusted with his play last year that I cannot give myself false hope that "another year in the system" or "better WRs" are going to have the dramatic impact some claim he is capable of achieving. He is what he has always been.
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:They are basically the same guy. QBs that will play to the level of the guys around them only Garrard actually had a few years with good teams. Agree.
"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."
Quote:Which is about the same number of attempts that Henne had this year. To have earned the 9th spot on the attempts list in 2013 as Garrard did in 2009, he would have had to have thrown 584... roughly 70 more passes. Nice try, but failed yet again. It's quite clear that Garrard was carried by MJD and the running game. Otherwise, there was no weapon (or combination of weapons) available to replace his 16 TDs.
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