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Income Inequality and Fair Share


Quote:Nope, forget about oil. Invest in renewables and bio diesel.

 

Make the diesel out of industrial hemp and convert the rest of vehicles over to hydrogen which can be generated with excess solar energy.

 

First order of business, though, is every roof covered in solar panels.
 

Because solar has done so well.  I'm all far alternative fuels - when a viable one that is economically feasible arrives.

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Quote:Thats nice in theory, but what about those that for whatever reason lose their "careers" - even through no fault of their own such as their workplace going under?? Sometimes you can't immediately find similar/ equatable "career" work quickly. 

 

What about the people out there that simply aren't as lucky as some and maybe weren't able to get that college education. Maybe they had to take care of their brothers and sisters growing up and the only job they can get is an entry level job....

 

You're showing a lack of empathy and a mindset that every person out there is in the same situations as others. Some aren't as fortunate. 

 

If they are willing/ wanting to work full time and not sponge off the government, shouldn't they be able to earn a livable wage?????
Well said

 

It's real hard to get out from under the welfare line when all the jobs available to you keep you in poverty because you literally can't get out there and earn something yourself. 

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Quote:You don't think a candidate would win the majority black, latino, poor, and progressive vote with that platform?  
 

The problem you have is thinking all of those categories are actually homogenous.

 

A lot of poor people vote republican out of racism religious wedge issues, plus minority groups aren't well known for turning out to vote.

 

Besides that the entire basis of your argument is moronic. Every politician tries to convince people they're giving them what they want. Whether that's crackpot right-wing getting government out of their business (except for getting government into women's uterus) or left-wing getting government to recognize their gay marriage.

 

It's not really as simple as you seem to think.

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Quote:Nope, forget about oil. Invest in renewables and bio diesel.

 

Make the diesel out of industrial hemp and convert the rest of vehicles over to hydrogen which can be generated with excess solar energy.

 

First order of business, though, is every roof covered in solar panels.
Unfortunately solar hasn't progressed enough for some area. Out here in the PNW it's cost prohibitive to have them on residential homes. 

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Quote:Unfortunately solar hasn't progressed enough for some area. Out here in the PNW it's cost prohibitive to have them on residential homes. 
 

Sure, it needs heavy government subsidy. It's part of what bothers me about FL. Here we are one of the southernmost states with A LOT of direct sunlight and no state solar subsidies to get the ball rolling.

 

Once again it gets back to the whole issue of needing central authority to help.

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Quote:Sure, it needs heavy government subsidy. It's part of what bothers me about FL. Here we are one of the southernmost states with A LOT of direct sunlight and no state solar subsidies to get the ball rolling.

 

Once again it gets back to the whole issue of needing central authority to help.
 

California has more sunlight and had 700 million dollars and the state and federal governments backing them and they still bankrupted in a year.  Sounds like a really sound business risk.

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Quote:California has more sunlight and had 700 million dollars and the state and federal governments backing them and they still bankrupted in a year.  Sounds like a really sound business risk.
 

Infrastructure investment can't be seen as a year to year thing.

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Quote:You think the marginal cost of minimum wage workers has a significant bearing on the price of gas, entertainment, or transportation?
 

I'll say it again, no wage is isolated it's a domino effect when you set any wage at X value.

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Quote:The problem you have is thinking all of those categories are actually homogenous.

 

A lot of poor people vote republican out of racism religious wedge issues, plus minority groups aren't well known for turning out to vote.

 

Besides that the entire basis of your argument is moronic. Every politician tries to convince people they're giving them what they want. Whether that's crackpot right-wing getting government out of their business (except for getting government into women's uterus) or left-wing getting government to recognize their gay marriage.

 

It's not really as simple as you seem to think.
 

I said a majority, not all.  Last I checked, that's all you need.  Obama got almost all of the black vote by virtue of being a black democrat and promising ACA.

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Quote:Infrastructure investment can't be seen as a year to year thing.
 

I'm talking about Solyndra.

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Quote:Infrastructure investment can't be seen as a year to year thing.
 

Laughing California's been broke for more than a year man.

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Quote:I said a majority, not all.  Last I checked, that's all you need.  Obama got almost all of the black vote by virtue of being a black democrat and promising ACA.
 

He didn't get the black vote because of being a black democrat and promising the ACA, he got almost all of the black vote because his platform is one of giving people a chance toward social mobility, while the republican platform is to pull the ladder up behind them once they've reached the platform.

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Quote:I'll say it again, no wage is isolated it's a domino effect when you set any wage at X value.
 

Yes, everything is interconnected. Did you have a bigger point or are you just repeating yourself for no reason?

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Besides that the entire basis of your argument is moronic. Every politician tries to convince people they're giving them what they want. Whether that's crackpot right-wing getting government out of their business (except for getting government into women's uterus) or left-wing getting government to recognize their gay marriage.

 
 

Those are social issues.

 

$15/hr min wage, reparations, and legalization are not.

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Quote:Sure, it needs heavy government subsidy. It's part of what bothers me about FL. Here we are one of the southernmost states with A LOT of direct sunlight and no state solar subsidies to get the ball rolling.

 

Once again it gets back to the whole issue of needing central authority to help.
That's not what I meant. What I meant was solar technology has not advanced enough to produce enough power in the PNW. It's cloudy like 80% of the year out here. A lot more R&D needs to be done to get it to work in all areas. This is not AZ/TX/FL here. 

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Quote:Those are social issues.

 

$15/hr min wage, reparations, and legalization are not.
 

Every issue that impacts society is a societal issue.

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Quote:I'll say it again, no wage is isolated it's a domino effect when you set any wage at X value.
Minimum wages have not gone up but neither have average wages for the sub 100k category. Like my pops works at a steel mill in Jax and sure he get standard raises yearly and such but its not like wages go up a ton compared to the rising profits. Shouldn't wages across the board go up in some proportion to increases in profits? 

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Quote:That's not what I meant. What I meant was solar technology has not advanced enough to produce enough power in the PNW. It's cloudy like 80% of the year out here. A lot more R&D needs to be done to get it to work in all areas. This is not AZ/TX/FL here. 
 

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Quote:He didn't get the black vote because of being a black democrat and promising the ACA, he got almost all of the black vote because his platform is one of giving people a chance toward social mobility, while the republican platform is to pull the ladder up behind them once they've reached the platform.
 

Then why didn't he receive similar numbers among whites, hispanics, and asians if it was all about platform.  A large number voted for him because he offered them free healthcare, and the rest because he was black and a democrat.  Hispanics are the next poorest ethnic group in the United States and that's where he got his second highest voting turnout; the hispanics who aren't poor didn't care if he was a black democrat.  Polling numbers support this.

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Quote:Every issue that impacts society is a societal issue.
 

You serious arguing the definition of what's a social issue?  You can't tell the difference or you just don't want to?

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