Well I have problems with the entire "public education" system to begin with, they don't educate these kids, they train them. The topic at hand is just one example of how the focus of the "public education" system is to train children into obeying orders on every aspect of life from what you wear, to what you eat. to what you believe.


Not to mention while I might not like a specific hairstyle do I like the idea of an institution that I'm forced to participate in dictating the appearance of a free individual? Not a precedent I'm really down with.

"Unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free."

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Is it really all that different than when we were younger and (if you went to Catholic school) and had dress codes/ they wouldn't allow the males to have long hair? 

 

I don't really think its that big of a deal for schools to be enforcing that kind of a thing. I think it is an example of discipline. 

 

Once on summer vaca or done school, you can do whatever you want. Is it really that important to have to "express yourself" as a kid via hairstyle/ clothing while in school when you're supposed to be focusing on learning anyway? 

 

I'm glad I didn't go to a Catholic school. They would not approve of me at all.


The thing is with the whole "on summer vaca you can do what you want" you forget that you're forcing someone to change themselves to conform. That's wrong. The long hair rule that you mentioned would be particularly bad in this regard because long hair is not something that grows over the course of one summer vacation.

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I'm glad I didn't go to a Catholic school. They would not approve of me at all.


The thing is with the whole "on summer vaca you can do what you want" you forget that you're forcing someone to change themselves to conform. That's wrong. The long hair rule that you mentioned would be particularly bad in this regard because long hair is not something that grows over the course of one summer vacation.

 

Umm....we're talking about kids in school here, not full grown (18 y/o + ) adults. 

 

So, you feel that it is necessary for a 10-12 year old to have to "express themselves" via appearance, thus you are against dress codes in school? 

 

I see it as a form of discipline as well as a pre-cursor to much of adult life in the work-force. Bah, theres that word again that everybody hates in todays society......discipline. Everybody should be able to do whatever they want and act on whatever urge they feel at that moment. The MEEEEEE generation. 

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Umm....we're talking about kids in school here, not full grown (18 y/o + ) adults. 

 

So, you feel that it is necessary for a 10-12 year old to have to "express themselves" via appearance, thus you are against dress codes in school? 

 

I see it as a form of discipline as well as a pre-cursor to much of adult life in the work-force. Bah, theres that word again that everybody hates in todays society......discipline. Everybody should be able to do whatever they want and act on whatever urge they feel at that moment. The MEEEEEE generation. 

 

There's a difference when an individual child or adult is forced to participate in an institution and when they have a choice to associate with an institution. By law children are forced to go to school ( you can argue for or against it but it's the law) assume everyone's on the same page of being compelled to participation, are you really ok with the precedent of forcing any personal choice on any individual?

 

I can name a few other things we are now forced to participate in by law, and I can think of a few reasons almost anyone would have an issue with being forced to conform to some personal standard set by a third party of authority.

 

It's not about letting kids "express" themselves, it's about letting them "think" for themselves.

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There's a difference when an individual child or adult is forced to participate in an institution and when they have a choice to associate with an institution. By law children are forced to go to school ( you can argue for or against it but it's the law) assume everyone's on the same page of being compelled to participation, are you really ok with the precedent of forcing any personal choice on any individual?

 

I can name a few other things we are now forced to participate in by law, and I can think of a few reasons almost anyone would have an issue with being forced to conform to some personal standard set by a third party of authority.

 

It's not about letting kids "express" themselves, it's about letting them "think" for themselves.

 

All I am talking about is dress code for minors  in school, though. I don't have much of an issue with that at all. 

 

Other things, yeah. We're probably on the same page regarding some of the other that I assume you'd be referring to. 

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Umm....we're talking about kids in school here, not full grown (18 y/o + ) adults. 

 

So, you feel that it is necessary for a 10-12 year old to have to "express themselves" via appearance, thus you are against dress codes in school? 

 

I see it as a form of discipline as well as a pre-cursor to much of adult life in the work-force. Bah, theres that word again that everybody hates in todays society......discipline. Everybody should be able to do whatever they want and act on whatever urge they feel at that moment. The MEEEEEE generation. 

 

I started growing my hair out when I was in 6th grade and had hair longer than most of the girls all throughout high school. I would have been [BAD WORD REMOVED] very angry if some school policy banned me from having it. It isn't even necessarily about expression (at least for me), it's just who I am. I prefer long hair, and am more comfortable with long hair than I was when I had short hair. I'm not out to make a statement.

 

There is a big difference (IMO) between dictating the hair cut of somebody and having a dress code. You can change your clothes when you get home, your hair is part of body that takes time to grow. Sorry, but it just is not the same.

 

I didn't have a choice in where I went to school. I do have the choice in choosing where I work and not all businesses require a certain hairstyle.

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Well I have problems with the entire "public education" system to begin with, they don't educate these kids, they train them. The topic at hand is just one example of how the focus of the "public education" system is to train children into obeying orders on every aspect of life from what you wear, to what you eat. to what you believe.

 

Not to mention while I might not like a specific hairstyle do I like the idea of an institution that I'm forced to participate in dictating the appearance of a free individual? Not a precedent I'm really down with.

 

You'd love the military.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

When I was in high school, I volunteered to check the girls to make sure they were wearing bras, a dress code requirement.

 

My offer was not accepted for some reason.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

You'd love the military.

I believe that's part of his point. The military is, outside of drafts, a voluntary institution. You choose to join the military. You don't choose to go to school, you're required to.

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There's a difference when an individual child or adult is forced to participate in an institution and when they have a choice to associate with an institution. By law children are forced to go to school ( you can argue for or against it but it's the law) assume everyone's on the same page of being compelled to participation, are you really ok with the precedent of forcing any personal choice on any individual?

 

I can name a few other things we are now forced to participate in by law, and I can think of a few reasons almost anyone would have an issue with being forced to conform to some personal standard set by a third party of authority.

 

It's not about letting kids "express" themselves, it's about letting them "think" for themselves.

I'm sure being told that they can't wear their hair a certain way will completely shut down all ability to think for themselves.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I'm sure being told that they can't wear their hair a certain way will completely shut down all ability to think for themselves.

 

It's forcing someone to change part of their body. These aren't clothes that you can just take off when you get home. If, for example, I was required to cut my hair for school it would take years for it to grow back. You shouldn't be required to change your own body to appease an institution that you had absolutely no choice in regards to whether or not you were part of said institution.


Sure, it won't shut down your ability to think, but it's still an unnecessary requirement based on perceived "wrongs" regarding certain hairstyles.

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It's forcing someone to change part of their body. These aren't clothes that you can just take off when you get home. If, for example, I was required to cut my hair for school it would take years for it to grow back. You shouldn't be required to change your own body to appease an institution that you had absolutely no choice in regards to whether or not you were part of said institution.


Sure, it won't shut down your ability to think, but it's still an unnecessary requirement based on perceived "wrongs" regarding certain hairstyles.

 

Is this real?   :blink:

 

This is for kids, were talking about, right?....

 

And we wonder why they have such little respect for authority in todays society...smh...

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It's forcing someone to change part of their body. These aren't clothes that you can just take off when you get home. If, for example, I was required to cut my hair for school it would take years for it to grow back. You shouldn't be required to change your own body to appease an institution that you had absolutely no choice in regards to whether or not you were part of said institution.

Sure, it won't shut down your ability to think, but it's still an unnecessary requirement based on perceived "wrongs" regarding certain hairstyles.

I don't think the issue is with long hair...but hair styles that are distracting to the rest of the class. Wouldn't you hate sitting behind a two foot high blue mohawk or a pile of braids with hair bow sticking out the top? Should their right to "be an individual" supersede my right to see what's going on in class?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I'm guessing you're the "sue the school" type parent as opposed to the take the belt out parent, when junior misbehaves in school. 

 

amirite?

 

I'm 18, I have no kids.


I have been in advanced classes since the 1st grade and I graduated from college before high school because I participated in the Dual Enrollment program. I finished high school with an entire semester of extra credits. The most "trouble" I got into in school was getting a "yellow card" for talking to the kid sitting next to me in 2nd grade one day. Yet, under your system, I'd be required to cut my hair just to conform with your system of what a "proper" hairstyle is.

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I don't think the issue is with long hair...but hair styles that are distracting to the rest of the class. Wouldn't you hate sitting behind a two foot high blue mohawk or a pile of braids with hair bow sticking out the top? Should their right to "be an individual" supersede my right to see what's going on in class?

I've sat behind mohawks, "hippe dreads" (bandana and all), bright blue "emo hair", you name it. Didn't bother me, or anyone near me a single bit.

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Honestly, I'd absolutely hate to be your child.

 

 

...just as you'd probably hate to have been coached by someone like Tom Coughlin, too...

 

I know, discipline sucks, huh?....

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I know, discipline sucks, huh?....

I got plenty of discipline when necessary. I would have been grounded for an entire quarter had I gotten a "C". What you're proposing is not discipline. It's forcing conformity on those who don't necessarily deserve to be punished. You're "punishing" someone on looks alone and literally nothing more. Do you honestly believe that someone who literally has a degree before their high school diploma is some undisciplined little brat simply because they don't want to wear the same hairstyle as you?

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I've sat behind mohawks, "hippe dreads" (bandana and all), bright blue "emo hair", you name it. Didn't bother me, or anyone near me a single bit.

Because everyone is just like you...not distracted by anything. The "man" is just trying to keep you down for no reason I guess!! :yes:

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Because everyone is just like you...not distracted by anything. The "man" is just trying to keep you down for no reason I guess!! :yes:

 

I said "and anyone around me." Oh, and yes, they did talk about.

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I got plenty of discipline when necessary. I would have been grounded for an entire quarter had I gotten a "C". What you're proposing is not discipline. It's forcing conformity on those who don't necessarily deserve to be punished. You're "punishing" someone on looks alone and literally nothing more. Do you honestly believe that someone who literally has a degree before their high school diploma is some undisciplined little brat simply because they don't want to wear the same hairstyle as you?

You do realize that most kids in school AREN'T like you, right?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???