I guess after further review that is what that should look like. 5 New offensive linemen, three rookie wideouts, running back who's never started and a below average qb. That's what that combination of players will look like on offense.


This will be another long season guys.

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He has thrown for three and the weaker part of the schedule is later in the year and hopefully the WR corps and OL gets better with experience so we shall see.

 

Sunday was supposed to be an exceptionally weak part of the schedule.

 

Also all of Henne's TDs have come on really strong plays by receivers made on poor passes.

 

I can't see it being a regular occurrence.

 

If he gets one lucky TD against Washington I can't see him getting any against decent teams.

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So talent wise on the offensive line and receiving spots is about the same then. They just have an edge in experience. I can't wait until we get expereince then because 41-10 is hard to watch.


Henne has the edge in experience over Newton and he did have Marcedes playeing with him as well. Shouldn't that count for something? I get that these guys have to get some reps together but is that what a new offense really looks like?

After 2-3 years in the league, the talent advantage Newton has more than offsets the experience Henne has.  Henne and Marcedes alone aren't enough to offset all the other stuff that is wrong with the offense.

 

We are all itching to see this offense explode and become a new version of the Greatest Show on Turf.  I am with you on that.  I am with you on the disgust I have had over the team's performance last week and the second half against the Eagles.

 

But expecting it to happen now isn't realistic, no matter how badly we want it now.

 

There will be spurts and increments of improvement and sloppiness.  I think more consistency will come with time and health.

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It is a little discouraging that another team can completely revamp their offensive line successfully while we are a complete failure.

 

The fact that our starting C did not even play the position should be very concerning.  Why was this an acceptable group entering the season?  This is a massive failure on the part of the FO.

 

 

The whole OL looks like a joke.  And it's not like it's been injury riddled.  We're missing Pazstor, but seriously....what the *##$ was the FO thinking when they decided to go forward with this dumpster fire of an OL?

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The whole OL looks like a joke.  And it's not like it's been injury riddled.  We're missing Pazstor, but seriously....what the *##$ was the FO thinking when they decided to go forward with this dumpster fire of an OL?

 

It only makes sense if they:

 

A.  Did not really think they were good enough to win, but were 'ok' with that.

 

B.  Failed to do their job effectively.

 

This will probably be followed with, "Oh ya what would you have done?"  I don't know.  Im not a GM, but I can see other teams that have made improvements and are doing a better job.

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It is a little discouraging that another team can completely revamp their offensive line successfully while we are a complete failure.

 

The fact that our starting C did not even play the position should be very concerning.  Why was this an acceptable group entering the season?  This is a massive failure on the part of the FO.  And what does that say about Nowanko?  Not exactly a ringing endorsement.  We are still in deep trouble with these guys.

 

 

The failure isn't this FO's.  Not yet.

 

The prior regime had its stated focus to build from the trenches, and we have nothing to show for it.

 

Shack and Jack never did fix LT, nor did they ever manage to draft a competent WR.

 

Neither of this regimes predecessors managed to hit on a QB.

 

That's why the rebuild here is so massive.  That's why it's taking so long to put all of the pieces in place.

 

Because of the Shack & Jack's failure to hit on WRs, and Blackmon's drug problems and Shorts' injury problems, the team had to invest in WR.

 

The team had to invest in a QB.

 

The secondary was so bad, the team had to invest in DBs.

 

It wasn't all going to be fixed in even two offseasons. 

 

I suppose one could argue the team would have been better served drafting an OL instead of Robinson, but it's too soon to tell at this point.

 

One could argue that the team should have invested FA dollars in someone other than Beadles.

 

But it wasn't going to be fixed in even two offseasons.

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Sunday was supposed to be an exceptionally weak part of the schedule.


Also all of Henne's TDs have come on really strong plays by receivers made on poor passes.


I can't see it being a regular occurrence.


If he gets one lucky TD against Washington I can't see him getting any against decent teams.

"Lucky" is hard to quantify. I'll just assume those count too.

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The failure isn't this FO's.  Not yet.

 

The prior regime had its stated focus to build from the trenches, and we have nothing to show for it.

 

Shack and Jack never did fix LT, nor did they ever manage to draft a competent WR.

 

That's why the rebuild here is so massive.  That's why it's taking so long to put all of the pieces in place.

 

I disagree.  More could have been done as evidenced by what other teams have been able to do.

 

I think we did good with the DBs and WRs... regardless of recent performance.  We didn't do good with the OL.

 

So we have done ok in 2/3 areas of rebuilding so far (not including the other areas).  Which is not horrible I guess, but a bad OL is probably worse than having bad WRs.

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I'm with you Bullseye, partially. We spent a #2 pick on a LT, spent 30mil on a LG, and traded up in the 3rd for a RG. The fact that, after all of these moves, the OL somehow looks worse, is really concerning.


I'm still bitter about the Joeckel pick too. We had a guaranteed top 10 LT and the #2 overall pick and turned it into the (so far) disappointing Joeckel and a couple of late rounders. So frustrating.

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I'm with you Bullseye, partially. We spent a #2 pick on a LT, spent 30mil on a LG, and traded up in the 3rd for a RG. The fact that, after all of these moves, the OL somehow looks worse, is really concerning.

I'm still bitter about the Joeckel pick too. We had a guaranteed top 10 LT and the #2 overall pick and turned it into the (so far) disappointing Joeckel and a couple of late rounders. So frustrating.

 

Joeckel needs to turn into an elite LT to warrant that pick, not average, not good, he needs to be elite.

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After 2-3 years in the league, the talent advantage Newton has more than offsets the experience Henne has. Henne and Marcedes alone aren't enough to offset all the other stuff that is wrong with the offense.


We are all itching to see this offense explode and become a new version of the Greatest Show on Turf. I am with you on that. I am with you on the disgust I have had over the team's performance last week and the second half against the Eagles.


But expecting it to happen now isn't realistic, no matter how badly we want it now.


There will be spurts and increments of improvement and sloppiness. I think more consistency will come with time and health.

Not to scream about it but does Henne's experience outweight Bortles talent ?

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Not to scream about it but does Henne's experience outweight Bortles talent ?

 

Absolutely....look how well he is changing the protections and getting the teams into the right play!

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I disagree.  More could have been done as evidenced by what other teams have been able to do.

 

I think we did good with the DBs and WRs... regardless of recent performance.  We didn't do good with the OL.

 

So we have done ok in 2/3 areas of rebuilding so far (not including the other areas).  Which is not horrible I guess, but a bad OL is probably worse than having bad WRs.

What have other teams done that is comparable in scope to what the Jaguars are trying with this OL?

 

What other teams completely rebuilt their OL from last year to this year and are showing improvement?

 

Carolina lost two guys, yes, but having a quality C like Kalil helps stabilize it.

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Joeckel needs to turn into an elite LT to warrant that pick, not average, not good, he needs to be elite.

A fair statement on many levels.

 

The one thing I would say is that 2013 draft was very light at the top in terms of quality.

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Not to scream about it but does Henne's experience outweight Bortles talent ?

I don't think so, but there may be things other than pure talent/potential that may be driving the decision to sit Bortles.

 

Nevertheless, I don't think it'll be too much longer until Bortles is inserted as starter.

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A fair statement on many levels.

 

The one thing I would say is that 2013 draft was very light at the top in terms of quality.

Definitely, you can make an argument the only player that warranted going in the top 10 was Ez Ansah, he's a stud. The rest of the top 10 is awful, the best player so far from that draft went 13th to the Jets, and that's the unblockable Sheldon Richardson.

 

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Definitely, you can make an argument the only player that warranted going in the top 10 was Ez Ansah, he's a stud. The rest of the top 10 is awful, the best player so far from that draft went 13th to the Jets, and that's the unblockable Sheldon Richardson.

Star has been pretty good, as well. 

Anyone know what Barkevious Mingo is up to?

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Star has been pretty good, as well. 

Anyone know what Barkevious Mingo is up to?

 

Yea Star has been really good, but Richardson has played at an All Pro level, he's so athletic for a big man. I don't think Mingo has done a lot; he's a situation pass rusher that doesn't have the bulk or strength to play on early downs.

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Yea Star has been really good, but Richardson has played at an All Pro level, he's so athletic for a big man. I don't think Mingo has done a lot; he's a situation pass rusher that doesn't have the bulk or strength to play on early downs.

Makes you wonder; many people thought Star and Sheldon would be great because of their athleticism, while the pass rushers Dion and Barkevious seemed to have more questions. I guess it is that potential and the sexiness of the edge rusher position that made teams draft them so much higher.

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Makes you wonder; many people thought Star and Sheldon would be great because of their athleticism, while the pass rushers Dion and Barkevious seemed to have more questions. I guess it is that potential and the sexiness of the edge rusher position that made teams draft them so much higher.

 

It's potential vs production, I'm all for potential but sometimes teams overlook guys that were productive (Sheldon and Star) for the guys with the bigger upside (Dion and Barkevious). Jordan and Mingo flashed at Oregon and LSU respectively but both guys were incredibly inconsistent, Sheldon and Star dominated at their respective schools and that has transferred over to the NFL level. Somtimes you just have to take the best player.

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