The whole OL looks like a joke.  And it's not like it's been injury riddled.  We're missing Pazstor, but seriously....what the was the FO thinking when they decided to go forward with this dumpster fire of an OL?

It's not good now.  Give it time.  It will get better.  Offensive lines are one of those units that take time to develop and gel.  They have to work well together as a unit to be effective.  Missing 1 starter from the line is a big deal when you're trying to create that chemistry with a completely rebuild offensive line. 

 

Let's not forget they didn't even decide on a starting center until 3 weeks ago.  It's not like the current group has been playing together very long. 

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It's not good now.  Give it time.  It will get better.  Offensive lines are one of those units that take time to develop and gel.  They have to work well together as a unit to be effective.  Missing 1 starter from the line is a big deal when you're trying to create that chemistry with a completely rebuild offensive line. 

 

Let's not forget they didn't even decide on a starting center until 3 weeks ago.  It's not like the current group has been playing together very long. 

 

Plus it's not like they didn't try to sign Mack.

 

Personally if it were up to me I would have made the deal a little more rich with a lot of up front money just to stick it to the Browns, but at least Caldwell made an offer.

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Why havent we signed a veteran lineman off the street. Is there not one available?

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Plus it's not like they didn't try to sign Mack.

 

Personally if it were up to me I would have made the deal a little more rich with a lot of up front money just to stick it to the Browns, but at least Caldwell made an offer.

Cleveland wasn't letting Mack go.  They made that clear when the process started, so it really didn't matter what they offered.  The Browns were going to match any deal that wasn't ridiculous, and nobody would expect any team to throw ridiculous money out there for a player regardless of how good he might be. 

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Why havent we signed a veteran lineman off the street. Is there not one available?

 

Maybe they don't see one that's worth pursuing? 

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Cleveland wasn't letting Mack go.  They made that clear when the process started, so it really didn't matter what they offered.  The Browns were going to match any deal that wasn't ridiculous, and nobody would expect any team to throw ridiculous money out there for a player regardless of how good he might be. 

 

Yea we didn't have a chance of Mack, sitll happy we tried. I believe Cleveland was the only team that had more cap space than us as well.

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Cleveland wasn't letting Mack go.  They made that clear when the process started, so it really didn't matter what they offered.  The Browns were going to match any deal that wasn't ridiculous, and nobody would expect any team to throw ridiculous money out there for a player regardless of how good he might be. 

 

I would have made it pretty ridiculous.

 

Something like 30 million up front and 50 million over a 5 year deal.

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There is a question that has been nagging at me since this debate about apportionment of blame began.  It was kind of touched on earlier, but not directly.

 

The argument has been made that the offensive line was not responsible for all of the sacks, and that Henne bears responsibility for a lot of them because he had time to get rid of the ball.

 

I do not challenge that proposition, but I wonder, on those passes where he had time to get rid of the ball to avoid a sack, did he have time to make a successful play?

 

If you take Lageman's analysis at face value and assign four of the ten sacks to Henne holding onto the ball, had he done so, would he have been getting rid of the ball just to avoid a sack?  If all four of those plays turned out to be mere incompletions, would the analysis for Henne be any better?  Would it matter that he was pressured into incompletions?

 

Now if he actually had time and open receivers on each of those plays and took the sacks, then to me that elevates his blameworthiness.

 

If not, I think it mitigates his blame to a certain degree.

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Maybe they don't see one that's worth pursuing? 

 

 

After looking at this line the last two Sundays, I'm pretty sur eany veteran leadership could improve this line.Beatles is the only vet out there, McClendon being the journeyman, I dont see how you dont have any option other than at least meeting with some. I know i will get trolled for this but what about Incognito? (if he isnt signed already)

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It's not good now.  Give it time.  It will get better.  Offensive lines are one of those units that take time to develop and gel.  They have to work well together as a unit to be effective.  Missing 1 starter from the line is a big deal when you're trying to create that chemistry with a completely rebuild offensive line. 

 

Let's not forget they didn't even decide on a starting center until 3 weeks ago.  It's not like the current group has been playing together very long. 

 

It's not just "not good".  It's historically bad.  That is a failure.

 

Can they get better to get to at least a serviceable unit this year?  Yes, but I doubt it from what I've seen so far.  This is more than just pass pro problems.  They cant do anything in the run game.

 

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I would have made it pretty ridiculous.

 

Something like 30 million up front and 50 million over a 5 year deal.

But that might be cutting off your nose to spite your face, because if the team has hit on guys like Bortles, Lee and Robinson and Cyprien like we think, we'd ideally want to have the money to re-sign them.

 

I have no doubt Mack would have helped this team, but I'm not sure he was worth potentially ruining the salary structure of the team to do it.

 

I would let more cap savvy persons kick that around in detail, but that's my thoughts on that.

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But that might be cutting off your nose to spite your face, because if the team has hit on guys like Bortles, Lee and Robinson and Cyprien like we think, we'd ideally want to have the money to re-sign them.

 

I have no doubt Mack would have helped this team, but I'm not sure he was worth potentially ruining the salary structure of the team to do it.

 

I would let more cap savvy persons kick that around in detail, but that's my thoughts on that.

 

Those contracts won't be up for years still, and the team doesn't have a lot of guys going forward who are making big money now that will be around in a few years.

 

Besides, if you decide you can't afford Mack later you just cut him 3 years down the road.

 

My point is, though, I would have made him the richest center by a good margin or made sure the browns stroked a really big check to keep him.

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But that might be cutting off your nose to spite your face, because if the team has hit on guys like Bortles, Lee and Robinson and Cyprien like we think, we'd ideally want to have the money to re-sign them.

 

I have no doubt Mack would have helped this team, but I'm not sure he was worth potentially ruining the salary structure of the team to do it.

 

I would let more cap savvy persons kick that around in detail, but that's my thoughts on that.

Exactly.  The team has to be smart about how they use their cap money, and they aren't going to over-reach for a player to that extent no matter how good he might be.  If they think they can get production that's not quite as good, but good enough to move forward from one of their younger players, they'd look at the differential and pass every time.  Teams that wind up in cap trouble blow the bundle on one player.

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Teams that get into cap problems generally have players that are making a lot of money, which usually is a result from them having talent.  Of course we aren't going to have cap problems when we have such a talent-empty roster.  We were $30+ mil under the cap....I'm sure that could've gotten some good 1 year band aids to allow our younger players to continue to develop rather than dropping this turd onto the field and hoping it to turn into a winner.

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One of these years.............

Looks like Prisco is taking Henne to task today.

 

https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/511...49/photo/1

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look at all the time Henne has....there isnt a receiver in sight because thats how much time he has had

 

 

Where's the short underneath WR?

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Where's the short underneath WR?

 

Had so much time he turned it upfield.

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Looks like Prisco is taking Henne to task today.

 

https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/511...49/photo/1

 

The pic doesn't lie, he's open.

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The pic doesn't lie, he's open.

 

ha that is a horrible picture

 

plus all this "look at this picture" talk is pointless.  we all know he sucks.  this is like people taking pictures of a sun rise to prove the sun rises in the east.  SEE LOOK

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The pic doesn't lie, he's open.

 

And Henne doing his best imitation of Gabbert and staring at the rush waiting for the sack.

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