We heard that Gabbert had "all the tools" to become a great pocket passer, too. How'd that one work out?

 

As a matter of fact, I remember constantly hearing arguments around the time the Jags drafted Gabbert, that - "the reason Gabbert wasn't all that productive in Missouri was because he's more suited to be a traditional QB in a traditional offense" and was the #1 QB prospect coming out of high school".....or something similar.....

 

remember those? I do. That claim ran rampant on this board for awhile after the draft. 

The difference is that Mariota actually uses his tools in game, and if you watch him, and know what you are looking for, you would know that. He actually uses his big arm to challenge the defense deep, unlike what I saw from Gabbert at Missouri. Coupled with the fact that Mariota also looks so much more comfortable in the pocket than Gabbert, you can't simply dismiss Mariota and pigeon-hole him as just a 'read-option QB' just because of Oregon's offense. I believe he is much more than that. There's no reason he can't be better than RGIII, as he looks more natural as a passer, and you can't convince me that Bridgewater is in the same class as Luck. So let's just drop those comparisons of comparisons.

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A QB like Teddy is clearly the best fit for what we need. 

I'm not saying otherwise, but we still have 10 more games to go, that #1 pick not ours yet, so if we pick #2 and Teddy is gone, who you got?

 

and it's quite funny how you think that there's only a handful of coaches in the world that know how to utilize a mobile QB.

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I don't think many of you guys understand. The read option is done. The NFL earlier this season that the read option makes a qb "hitable" until declares himself. 

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I don't think many of you guys understand. The read option is done. The NFL earlier this season that the read option makes a qb "hitable" until declares himself.

No one is saying this isn't true. I (most likely the other who like Mariota) think Mariota is a good enough passer from the pocket to be successful. The athleticism he displays while running the read option at Oregon is just an added benefit.

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No one is saying this isn't true. I (most likely the other who like Mariota) think Mariota is a good enough passer from the pocket to be successful. The athleticism he displays while running the read option at Oregon is just an added benefit.

Your talking about tangibles. You can have all the arm strength (see Cam Newton) and all the accuracy (see RG3) in the world but if you cannot properly diagnose a defense, make the correct pass reads and have understanding of what coverages are being run none of that helps in the long run. As we are seeing with both of these qbs.

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Your talking about tangibles. You can have all the arm strength (see Cam Newton) and all the accuracy (see RG3) in the world but if you cannot properly diagnose a defense, make the correct pass reads and have understanding of what coverages are being run none of that helps in the long run. As we are seeing with both of these qbs.

So Mariota can't read defenses now? Care to tell me how you know this.

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Its funny how people just keep throwing out the assertion that Mariota is a good passer. As vagrant first said, guy has trouble maintaining 60% and thats with mostly screens and short passes all day. His footwork and mechanics often look horrible and I'm just not seeing where you people are pulling this stuff out about Mariota looking "natural" as a passer.....its pure fiction. 

 

The real truth is people are gushing over Mariota for much of the same reasons they did of Gabbert, and usually do with most QB - his measureables, arm strength & athleticism. 

 

Well congrats, those things also were prevalent in JaMonster Russell. 

 

Teddy has the important attributes that actually make up a good NFL QB. 

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So Mariota can't read defenses now? Care to tell me how you know this.

He plays in a spread offense that is based on 1 read or run mentality. Granted he looks very good doing it but you are fooling your self if you consider what he does at oregon "reading defenses." I heard the same nonsense about cam, rg3 and locker.

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He plays in a spread offense that is based on 1 read or run mentality. Granted he looks very good doing it but you are fooling your self if you consider what he does at oregon "reading defenses." I heard the same nonsense about cam, rg3 and locker.

 

The difference is you breathe through your nose. People who think what Mariota is doing qualifies as "reading defenses" don't. 

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I think the biggest misnomer in all of college football right now is that Oregon's offense is simple. It is extremely complex and requires a TON of presnap reads. What Mariota is doing right now purely from the mental aspect of the game is not small potatoes. It's not Teddy level but it's not like a lot of people on here are saying either.

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I think the biggest misnomer in all of college football right now is that Oregon's offense is simple. It is extremely complex and requires a TON of presnap reads. What Mariota is doing right now purely from the mental aspect of the game is not small potatoes. It's not Teddy level but it's not like a lot of people on here are saying either.

 

Dennis Dixon's doing well as a pro. He said to say hi. 

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Dennis Dixon's doing well as a pro. He said to say hi. 

This, thread should be closed 

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Dennis Dixon's doing well as a pro. He said to say hi.

Huh? Christian ponder says hi. He was in a pro style offense. You can't just say no to a prospect because of the system. Each player is different.


Like KY said, this offense is way more complex than you think.


To TMD on completion %. Teddy throws like 2-3 more passes at the line of scrimmage than Mariota. Teddy is a much better passer in the 0-10 range (threw more passes in a 3 game span too). So by your logic, his completion % is skewed because of the short passes.

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He plays in a spread offense that is based on 1 read or run mentality. Granted he looks very good doing it but you are fooling your self if you consider what he does at oregon "reading defenses." I heard the same nonsense about cam, rg3 and locker.

Locker played in a pro style offense.

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Dennis Dixon's doing well as a pro. He said to say hi. 

 

Your point being what exactly?

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I think the biggest misnomer in all of college football right now is that Oregon's offense is simple. It is extremely complex and requires a TON of presnap reads. What Mariota is doing right now purely from the mental aspect of the game is not small potatoes. It's not Teddy level but it's not like a lot of people on here are saying either.

Incorrect. It's usually and one or the other type of deal.

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This is what I envision this conversation sounding like in 2005: 

 

I think the biggest misnomer in all of college football right now is that Cal's offense is simple. It is extremely complex and requires a TON of presnap reads. What Rodgers is doing right now purely from the mental aspect of the game is not small potatoes.

 

 

Kyle Boller's doing well as a pro. He said to say hi. 

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The difference is you breathe through your nose. People who think what Mariota is doing qualifies as "reading defenses" don't. 

I'm congested I can't help it

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Locker played in a pro style offense.

Thanks, realized that too. 

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Huh? Christian ponder says hi. He was in a pro style offense. You can't just say no to a prospect because of the system. Each player is different.


Like KY said, this offense is way more complex than you think.


To TMD on completion %. Teddy throws like 2-3 more passes at the line of scrimmage than Mariota. Teddy is a much better passer in the 0-10 range (threw more passes in a 3 game span too). So by your logic, his completion % is skewed because of the short passes.

Christian Ponder's tangibles were absolute garbage, I don't know how he got drafted as high as he did.

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