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the Chiefjag · 10-13-2014, 06:39 PM

Take a look at the Jags hanging onto Del Rio for 9 years and tell me how that worked out!

SuperJville · 10-13-2014, 06:39 PM

This team is a perfect reflection of coach Bradley. They have bought into the message. They believe what he preaches.

The team is bad an inexperienced. Like Bradley and the coaching staff.

oface5446 · 10-13-2014, 06:40 PM

Quote:you can be 2-4 and still qualify as "struggling"....

being 0-6 in back to back years with the possibility of being 0-8 in back-to-back years is INEXCUSABLE in professional football.

I think this team is a special case. Shack was bad. Gene was worse. It's not like this team is complete; it's not. Most coaches are at least afforded complete rosters.

Do you think a Chip Kelly (or whoever) would be doing any better?

JesseJames · 10-13-2014, 06:41 PM

Bradley is a fake.

We need a coach with a proven record who knows how to hire assistants.

the Chiefjag · 10-13-2014, 06:42 PM

I think an Andy Reid would do better.

SuperJville · 10-13-2014, 06:43 PM

Quote:I think this team is a special case. Shack was bad. Gene was worse. It's not like this team is complete; it's not. Most coaches are at least afforded complete rosters.

Do you think a Chip Kelly (or whoever) would be doing any better?

Yes, I think Chip Kelly would be doing better.

Not significantly better, but he'd have a few W's this year. I tell you what, we wouldn't be averaging something like 14 points/game if Kelly was the coach.

The Eleventh Doctor · 10-13-2014, 06:43 PM

Quote:I think this team is a special case. Shack was bad. Gene was worse. It's not like this team is complete; it's not. Most coaches are at least afforded complete rosters.

Do you think a Chip Kelly (or whoever) would be doing any better?

I think Bruce Arians would have this team playing at a higher level. I liked Arians as a choice when the Cardinals picked him, and wished we got him instead of Bradley. But alas. Here's hoping Bradley is able to do better soon.

I was wrong about Trent Baalke.

SuperJville · 10-13-2014, 06:46 PM

It's tough to say, but you can look at certain things he's done...

he seems like an amateur when it comes to clock management and challenging calls.

his coordinators are also terrible. So what exactly has he done to warrant such patience?

***jagibelieve*** · 10-13-2014, 06:46 PM

I'm glad that I learned today that a Head Coach magically makes a team play better and score more points.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

clfcrn777 · 10-13-2014, 06:48 PM

Quote:I'm glad that I learned today that a Head Coach magically makes a team play better and score more points.

Umm, yeah, that's his job?

clfcrn777 · 10-13-2014, 06:49 PM

You can't preach "we're a teaching staff" and have this many mistakes every week

oface5446 · 10-13-2014, 06:49 PM

Quote:It's tough to say, but you can look at certain things he's done...

he seems like an amateur when it comes to clock management and challenging calls.

his coordinators are also terrible. So what exactly has he done to warrant such patience?

Nothing. We are waiting to see what he can do with a complete team (which we get to see next year).

Let's not forget the players love him. I think that's an important barometer. The team wants to win for him.

SuperJville · 10-13-2014, 06:51 PM

Quote:Nothing. We are waiting to see what he can do with a complete team (which we get to see next year).

Let's not forget the players love him. I think that's an important barometer. The team wants to win for him.

No NFL roster is "complete"

~~The Mad Dog~~ · 10-13-2014, 06:52 PM

Quote:Has Gus made any really good coaching decisions since he has been here?

How about just any good coaching decisions since he has been here?

I've seen plenty of the bone-headed Bradley decisions, so no need to list those.

Good point.

Can anyone remember ANY specific case where you can point to a game and say Gus' coaching decision there was pivotal???

I can't think of any.

But as you said, the bone headed decisions seem to be mounting.

Quote:I don't agree with firing him now but I will say he needs to start winning some games and show some competitive football on Sundays.

Yeah, we have rookies. Guess what, we also have rookies in the coach's offices and GM's office. They jettisoned the players they didn't like then replaced them with players they did like, yet we still are the chumps of the league.

Regards.....................the Chiefjag

I don't think anyone is suggesting they fire him right now. But at seasons end, we still haven't begun to see some serious change, then I think he should be gone at that point.

Quote:It's concerning that we're one of the 4 worst teams in the history of the NFL.... only 3 other teams in the history of the league have started 0-6 in consecutive years.

Now, maybe we're setting ourselves up for the most miraculous comeback in the history of the NFL, but I highly doubt we will.

I like Gus, but he honestly has not done much to prove he's a keeper. We should keep him around for next year as well but I wouldn't be surprised if by mid-season next year, he is canned.

I wouldn't be shocked if we started something like 1-4 next year and sit at 3-7 after 10 games, and the excuses will be the same. It'll be "well we're playing with a bunch of rookies and 2nd year players and we need to continue to learn and get better"

Caldwell should keep his eye on a proven head coach that is known for his offense and grooming QBs. We have the QB, now is the time to find a head coach that will suit Bortles perfectly.

Wow, I didn't know only 3 other teams in the history of this league have started 0-6 in consecutive seasons..... I wonder if ANY of those teams were under the SAME head coach?.....

Quote:Do you want to keep him around for next year if we go 0-16 this year?

Regards..................the Chiefjag

Given what we have seen from Gus so far and what we've learned about him as a head coach, I don't think I'd want him back next year if we go 4-12 or less, this year. If he showed more as a coach up until this point, I'd be more hesitant to see him go, but we've really seen very little other than being a head cheerleader.

Quote:It would be different if we had a complete team. We are still missing FS, the entire LB corps, and a whole lot of depth, among other things. If we had those pieces in place and we were still struggling, that would be one thing. As it is, there are too many variables to make a judgement on coach. I think a lot of coaches would struggle with this squad.

The reasoning of needing top players at every position before you start seeing results is lame.

Good coaches and good QB are able to do more with less. Gus has not made what we have, better.

MalabarJag · 10-13-2014, 06:53 PM

Quote:I'm glad that I learned today that a Head Coach magically makes a team play better and score more points.

Did you not see the improvement in Oakland this week?

"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Sneakers · 10-13-2014, 06:57 PM

Quote:Yes... fire the Head Coach again... Take a look at the Browns' coaching history and tell me how that's worked out.

Their problem isn't the frequency of the change, it's the quality of the replacement. Coaches are no different than players in that respect. You don't get better replacing a chump with another chump.

When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

~~The Mad Dog~~ · 10-13-2014, 06:58 PM

Quote:Yes... fire the Head Coach again... Take a look at the Browns' coaching history and tell me how that's worked out.

Are the Browns bad because they hired and fired a lot of head coaches, or have they been bad because they simply continued to hire BAD head coaches?

Quote:I believe you fire the coach after he's had some time to prove he can be the guy.

Gus hasn't proven squat yet. I'm not saying fire him today or tomorrow, but if you start your career 4-12 and then a hypotethical 3-13, and follow that up with a 1-4 start in year 3, does that require further patience?

Not at all.

2 years is enough to start showing something. Look at where the Dallas Cowboys were by the end of year 2 under the Jimmy Johnson regime. And this was after finishing 1-15 in his first year.

Quote:I think this team is a special case. Shack was bad. Gene was worse. It's not like this team is complete; it's not. Most coaches are at least afforded complete rosters.

Do you think a Chip Kelly (or whoever) would be doing any better?

No this is not a special case. Gimme a break. Its excuses like that that have this team in a 14 year funk.

Quote:Bradley is a fake.

We need a coach with a proven record who knows how to hire assistants.

I agree.

Quote:I think an Andy Reid would do better.

I think there are a number of coaches that would be doing better than Bradley over the last 2 years had they been our coach. Andy Reid is only one of them.

~~The Mad Dog~~ · 10-13-2014, 07:01 PM

Quote:You can't preach "we're a teaching staff" and have this many mistakes every week

Another good point.

Quote:Nothing. We are waiting to see what he can do with a complete team (which we get to see next year).

Let's not forget the players love him. I think that's an important barometer. The team wants to win for him.

Quote:No NFL roster is "complete"

Not only that but you also shouldn't need to have a complete roster before you start seeing significant improvement. The same excuses are being made for Bradley that were made for bad head coaches like Mularkey and Del Rio.

It never seems to end....

Scarecrow · 10-13-2014, 07:01 PM

All of you Bradley supporters, mainly those jumping on people with negative opinions of him, please list what you'you've been impressed with thus far? What has he done well?

sit back and let it soak in...

SuperJville · 10-13-2014, 07:02 PM

I think the organization knows that the honeymoon period is officially over.

I expect some moves to be made this offseason ...

My prediction is that babich or fish get canned at least.