Quarterback: WAYYYYYY better.  We've went from Roseanne Barr to Kate Upton.


Wide Receivers: Also better, but young.  Went from a turkey sandwich to a turkey dinner.


Not a lot of upgrades elsewhere, but not that much of a downgrade in most places either.  The o-line still needs work, but it'll come.  It's young.  We've went from crappy lite beer to wine that's not yet aged.

 

That's a really good way to put it.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Well, we'll see...Gratz hasn't been a good anything so far. I have my doubts about the above. 

He hasn't been great but it's not like he's been terrible. IMO, his skillset fits the nickel role well.

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His drafts have been solid, but his FA signings have been disappointing. Definitely need to make a splash this offseason.

The thing about FAs is that there have to be players available and that have some value. Caldwell went after Mack but it didn't work out.

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They all contributed to the 0-6.

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He got a draft pick for. BLAINE GABBERT.



Enough said

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I like both drafts by Caldwell. It's still too early to know for sure about many of them - but it seems we may have as many as 9 long term starters from the past two drafts. (I'd say at least 5 if you're not feeling optimistic) 

 

I actually think he's done well in free agency also.  Beadles is obviously a disappointment, but his contract won't hurt much. Clemons is hot and cold, but seems like a good guy to mentor Branch and Davis. Bryant has helped vs. the run. Watson got hurt right away and might not work out.  Geno Hayes has served a purpose as a placeholder until he can be upgraded. 

 

 It's the unexpected surprises that make me like Caldwells free agency work, however.  

Miller, Marks, and Alan Ball have been better than average/sometimes very good -  and very economical for their production.  I think Caldwell is batting about .500 in free agency and that's not bad. FA is more of a gamble than many seem to realize. 

 

When you factor in a few good depth additions found on the waiver wire (Clay Harbor anyone?) and a few promising UDFA (Hurns, Abry Jones) I really feel confident in our GM's ability to find and acquire talent. 

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Last years extremely weak draft class across the board has slowed the progression a bit IMO, but you obviously can't pin that on Caldwell, it was a league-wide problem.  Rarely will all the stars align to form such an abysmal class.  This year's draft, which was very strong, appears great.  Because of last year's weak class, i think it's slightly slowed the rebuild process and will likely add another year to the hopefully competitive product.

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I like both drafts by Caldwell. It's still too early to know for sure about many of them - but it seems we may have as many as 9 long term starters from the past two drafts. (I'd say at least 5 if you're not feeling optimistic) 

 

I actually think he's done well in free agency also.  Beadles is obviously a disappointment, but his contract won't hurt much. Clemons is hot and cold, but seems like a good guy to mentor Branch and Davis. Bryant has helped vs. the run. Watson got hurt right away and might not work out.  Geno Hayes has served a purpose as a placeholder until he can be upgraded. 

 

 It's the unexpected surprises that make me like Caldwells free agency work, however.  

Miller, Marks, and Alan Ball have been better than average/sometimes very good -  and very economical for their production.  I think Caldwell is batting about .500 in free agency and that's not bad. FA is more of a gamble than many seem to realize. 

 

When you factor in a few good depth additions found on the waiver wire (Clay Harbor anyone?) and a few promising UDFA (Hurns, Abry Jones) I really feel confident in our GM's ability to find and acquire talent. 

 

Well said.

 

I think too many people see the cap room and say "it's because the Jaguars don't spend money on free agents". When in reality, it's really because of the lack of return on the 2007-2012 draft classes. You would assume at least a few of the players from those drafts would have signed long terms deal with the team. Nope.

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Last years extremely weak draft class across the board has slowed the progression a bit IMO, but you obviously can't pin that on Caldwell, it was a league-wide problem. Rarely will all the stars align to form such an abysmal class. This year's draft, which was very strong, appears great. Because of last year's weak class, i think it's slightly slowed the rebuild process and will likely add another year to the hopefully competitive product.

Only the truly educated fan can understand this.

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He hasn't been great but it's not like he's been terrible. IMO, his skillset fits the nickel role well.

This 

People act like Gratz has been a terrible 1st round pick, he was a 4th round pick and has been solid, the first 2 games of this year he rated highly, the colts game he wasnt as good and then he got hurt. 

 

The problem is our LBs cant cover and we are week at FS

 

Gratz is a very good tackler so NB would be good

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Well said.

 

I think too many people see the cap room and say "it's because the Jaguars don't spend money on free agents". When in reality, it's really because of the lack of return on the 2007-2012 draft classes. You would assume at least a few of the players from those drafts would have signed long terms deal with the team. Nope.

Excellent point!


And on another note, I don't think we've heard the last of Gratz just yet.

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His drafts have been solid, but his FA signings have been disappointing. Definitely need to make a splash this offseason.

I agree, the FA signings have not panned out. Hope he can pick up a starter somewhere this off season. We need some veteran leadership on this team from guys that don't kick the ball.

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.

When I look at our cap room, I think about Eugene Monroe (5 years for $37.5m) opening up holes for Justin Forsett who now has 408 yards and is averaging 6.4 yards per carry.

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When I look at our cap room, I think about Eugene Monroe (5 years for $37.5m) opening up holes for Justin Forsett who now has 408 yards and is averaging 6.4 yards per carry.

But Eugene Monroe hasnt been playing since week three. Hes been out with a knee injury.

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I like both drafts by Caldwell. It's still too early to know for sure about many of them - but it seems we may have as many as 9 long term starters from the past two drafts. (I'd say at least 5 if you're not feeling optimistic) 

 

I actually think he's done well in free agency also.  Beadles is obviously a disappointment, but his contract won't hurt much. Clemons is hot and cold, but seems like a good guy to mentor Branch and Davis. Bryant has helped vs. the run. Watson got hurt right away and might not work out.  Geno Hayes has served a purpose as a placeholder until he can be upgraded. 

 

 It's the unexpected surprises that make me like Caldwells free agency work, however.  

Miller, Marks, and Alan Ball have been better than average/sometimes very good -  and very economical for their production.  I think Caldwell is batting about .500 in free agency and that's not bad. FA is more of a gamble than many seem to realize. 

 

When you factor in a few good depth additions found on the waiver wire (Clay Harbor anyone?) and a few promising UDFA (Hurns, Abry Jones) I really feel confident in our GM's ability to find and acquire talent. 

 

Nine long-term starters? Wow, that is being generous, isn't it? Any team that is rebuilding and pressing young players into duty will look like "long-term starters". Keep in mind that when you critique his draft "so far", you can't base it on "potential" because otherwise, everyone's draft in the NFL (especially those drafting high) would appear to net "long-term starters"

 

Based on what we've seen though? On actual production rather than "promise"? Basically, here's my criteria. Let's assume that Khan is fed up and decides to fire both Caldwell and Gus at the end of the season. The new coaching staff is then to look at this roster and say "OK, who are definitely part of our rebuilding process?"

 

Luke Joeckel - starter. Still have enough questions in his game that he doesn't quite reach the "long-term starter label". No different than Monroe was to Dave when Dave took over.

 

Cyprien - long-term starter. Not a pro-bowler, but he can hold that SS spot.

 

Gratz - Fringe starter. Drafted because he was a good "fit" for this scheme, but has now lost his job to a journeyman and a 7th round pick.

 

Ace Sanders - long term starter (at PR), solid contributor in 3/4 wide sets

 

Denard - project who has no true position. Worth a look as the 3rd RB to see if he develops.

 

Evans - solid backup at SS

 

McCray - Fringe starter. Shows athletic ability, but still a bit raw. How would he fare in a different scheme?

 

Bortles - Superstar and franchise QB.

 

Lee - oft injured, doesn't show great hands, still need work running routes. Worth a look for positional battle

 

Allen Robinson - long term starter as a possession receiver

 

Linder - long term starter at G

 

Colvin - has not played a down

 

Telvin Smith - sub package player

 

Chris Smith - practice squad

 

Bowanko - fringe starter at C

 

Storm - worth a roster spot, potential starter

 

 

So, realistically speaking we're looking at 1 franchise player, 3 long-term starters, a few fringe starters. It's a good enough haul, especially since the 1 franchise player is at the most important position in football, which is why Dave/Gus gets another year.

 

But 9 long-term starters? Hardly...

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When I look at our cap room, I think about Eugene Monroe (5 years for $37.5m) opening up holes for Justin Forsett who now has 408 yards and is averaging 6.4 yards per carry.

 

 

But Eugene Monroe has been playing since week three. Hes been out with a knee injury.

 

lol, 

 

 

but even so,....Monroe wasn't doing well here last year either. People forget that. This scheme that we run, whether it be Yarno's or Fisch's or both is the root of most of the RB & OL issues. Monroe last season, included. 

 

Nobody wants to accept that 800 lb elephant in the room. 

 

I'm thinking Yarno's scheme/ influence is more of a factor (than Fisch) since Yarno's scheme; his OL's / running game's in Detroit suffered similar issues. 

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When I look at our cap room, I think about Eugene Monroe (5 years for $37.5m) opening up holes for Justin Forsett who now has 408 yards and is averaging 6.4 yards per carry.

 

 

But Eugene Monroe has been playing since week three. Hes been out with a knee injury.

 

Zing

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Criticism? The only people criticizing Caldwell in terms of talent acquisition are clueless. 

 

Caldwell has done his job in that realm.

To this I Concur...


NH3...

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"AZANE"

 

But 9 long-term starters? Hardly...

Read. The. Post.

 

I said as many as 9.  At least 5.  

 

You just listed 4.   Not that far apart. 

 

I think there's at least 5 - potentially more. You think there's 4.  OK.  Moving on. 

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I like both drafts by Caldwell. It's still too early to know for sure about many of them - but it seems we may have as many as 9 long term starters from the past two drafts. (I'd say at least 5 if you're not feeling optimistic) 

 

I actually think he's done well in free agency also.  Beadles is obviously a disappointment, but his contract won't hurt much. Clemons is hot and cold, but seems like a good guy to mentor Branch and Davis. Bryant has helped vs. the run. Watson got hurt right away and might not work out.  Geno Hayes has served a purpose as a placeholder until he can be upgraded. 

 

 It's the unexpected surprises that make me like Caldwells free agency work, however.  

Miller, Marks, and Alan Ball have been better than average/sometimes very good -  and very economical for their production.  I think Caldwell is batting about .500 in free agency and that's not bad. FA is more of a gamble than many seem to realize. 

 

When you factor in a few good depth additions found on the waiver wire (Clay Harbor anyone?) and a few promising UDFA (Hurns, Abry Jones) I really feel confident in our GM's ability to find and acquire talent.

No Addition or Subtraction needed here...


NH3...

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"AZANE"