The Kennedy Assassination is a passion of mine. I have over 40 books on the subject, including one by Bill Bonanno "Bound By Honor" (The Godfather Movie subject) who claims Johnny Roselli of the Chicago Mafia fired the fatal shot from a storm drain on Elm street as told to him when both were in prison.


Look, the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle used by Oswald was Italian made in the early 1900s considered so inaccurate a weapon the Italian Army wouldn't purchase it. Other witnesses took pictures of the slaying as well which were confiscated by the FBI.


It's pretty much concluded by experts there was more than one gunman. I agree.


I could talk for hours on this subject.


Regards........................the Chiefjag

The Italiam Army used thousands, if not millions, of 6.5 Carcano's in WWI and WWII. The original design was deemed an excellent rifle for its time. But the Italians, being Italians, did such an awful job in logistics, handling and modifications that the reputatio n of the thing took a nose dive.

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This must be true..

 

Mafia dudes NEVER lie.

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As someone who actually knows Newton's laws and how they work; no they don't.

LOL.  A guy named Zapruder made a film you should watch sometime. 

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

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Look, the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle used by Oswald was Italian made in the early 1900s considered so inaccurate a weapon the Italian Army wouldn't purchase it. 

 

 

Do you have any information on what MOA it was capable of?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

LOL.  A guy named Zapruder made a film you should watch sometime. 

 

The Zapruder film supports what DF is posting.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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LOL.  A guy named Zapruder made a film you should watch sometime. 

I have watched the Zapruder film and it too perfectly lines up with accepted lone gunman hypothesis. Maybe you should actaully learn about Newton's laws instead of watching crappy movies with Kevin Costner as I suspect you have done. 

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The Kennedy Assassination is a passion of mine. I have over 40 books on the subject, including one by Bill Bonanno "Bound By Honor" (The Godfather Movie subject) who claims Johnny Roselli of the Chicago Mafia fired the fatal shot from a storm drain on Elm street as told to him when both were in prison.

 

Look, the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle used by Oswald was Italian made in the early 1900s considered so inaccurate a weapon the Italian Army wouldn't purchase it. Other witnesses took pictures of the slaying as well which were confiscated by the FBI.

 

It's pretty much concluded by experts there was more than one gunman. I agree.

 

I could talk for hours on this subject.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

 

Oswald did not use a "Mannlicher-Carcano" rifle because there never was such thing.  The Mannlicher has nothing to do with the Carcano that Oswald used except for the fact that both guns used a single stack “en-bloc” clip. It was very common to erroneously call both rifles by the same name.  Many researches and even the Warren report have used the term "Mannilicher-Carcano".  The clip on the Carcano held six rounds, and you push the loaded clip in from the top of the action. If you look in the pictures of Oswald’s, you it seems to be copper washed, or with some kind of brass plating. The Mannlicher used a similar clips, and so the clip itself was sometimes called the "Mannlicher-Carcano" but not the rifle.  The bottom line is that the Carcano for all it's flaws, could be a reasonably accurate rifle under the right conditions.

 

Here's some info.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcano

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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I killed Kennedy.  Went back in time in the Tardis, and fired a shot from mid-air.   


As for why I did it... to keep the timeline stable.  Also because he was a Zygon.  A zygon that was in league with the Cybermen and the Daleks.  


Want proof?  Doctor Who started airing the day after Kennedy was shot. 


Thankfully the real Kennedy is safe and sound, living in Miami.  Or at least he was the last I checked on him in 2658.  Where I dropped him off.  Along with Marilyn Monroe.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I have watched the Zapruder film and it too perfectly lines up with accepted lone gunman hypothesis. Maybe you should actaully learn about Newton's laws instead of watching crappy movies with Kevin Costner as I suspect you have done. 

An impact from behind drove his head back?  Right.    You must be one of the "his chin hit his chest and his head rebounded backwards" believers.  Fine, you're entitled to your opinion.

 

For the record;

My understanding of the principles involved is quite clear.

30 years ago I stood next to the car, looking at the spot where Kennedy had been sitting and mentally picturing the event and the lone gunman scenario.  I didn't believe the Warren Commission's conclusion then, I don't believe it now.

I did see the movie (didn't think it was very good)

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

The Kennedy Assassination is a passion of mine. I have over 40 books on the subject, including one by Bill Bonanno "Bound By Honor" (The Godfather Movie subject) who claims Johnny Roselli of the Chicago Mafia fired the fatal shot from a storm drain on Elm street as told to him when both were in prison.

 

Look, the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle used by Oswald was Italian made in the early 1900s considered so inaccurate a weapon the Italian Army wouldn't purchase it. Other witnesses took pictures of the slaying as well which were confiscated by the FBI.

 

It's pretty much concluded by experts there was more than one gunman. I agree.

 

I could talk for hours on this subject.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

Agreed.  There's plenty of compelling evidence to show that there was a rush to conclude it was a lone gunman.  Speculation as to why they raced to this conclusion has a life of its own.  I think one of the more interesting theories is that LBJ took Kennedy out because he was unwilling to go all in in Vietnam.  The mafia angle is also interesting.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

If Oswald acted alone, why did five people say they heard gunshots coming from different directions?

 

If he had a partner in crime, why did only five people hear gunshots come from different directions?

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An impact from behind drove his head back?  Right.    You must be one of the "his chin hit his chest and his head rebounded backwards" believers.  

Thank you for showing a fundamental minsunderstanding of how momentum and force works and specifically what Newton's third law of motion actually means in the real world. 

 

Since you clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about, let me break down the math for you.

 

A bullet travels at a very high velocity so people thnks it has a very high momentum. That's wrong because momentum is the product of mass and velocity (p = m * v). A bullet's mass is tiny so it's momentum is a lot smaller than people think. The 6.5 Carcano (or 6.5 Italian) round used by Oswald has a mass of 10.5 grams and a velocity of 700 m/s. Let's assume the positive effect of gravity cancels out the negative effect of wind drag (this is to the benefit of your hypothesis) and say the bullet struck Kennedy at 700 m/s. That gives a momentum of 10.5 x 700 = 7,350 g * m/s.

 

Now assuming Kennedy's head absorbs the full momentum of the bullet and no energy was wasted (both benefiting your hypothesis) we can calculate the speed at which Kennedy's head should have gone forward. An average human head weighs about 4.5 to 5 kg. Assuming the lower end (again to your benefit) that gives 7,350 / 4,500 = 1.64 m/s. That's just shy of 3.7 mph or a brisk walking pace.

 

So why did his head move backwards? Simple answer; because when the bullet struck the back of his skull it didn't move the entire head forward but instead it blew brain matter and skull fragments to the front and right. This is where Newton's third law of motion comes in. Briefly summarized; Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This is what makes rockets work in space when there is nothing to "push of from." The rocket expels rapidly expanding gases from the combustion out the back and as a result the rocket goes forwards. In this case the expelled brain matter and skull fragments went to the front and right (the action); Kennedy's head went back and left (the reaction).

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If Oswald acted alone, why did five people say they heard gunshots coming from different directions?

 

If he had a partner in crime, why did only five people hear gunshots come from different directions?

Honestly, JW. That is some shockingly excellent critical thinking you just did there. Well done you. 

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Thank you for showing a fundamental minsunderstanding of how momentum and force works and specifically what Newton's third law of motion actually means in the real world. 

 

Since you clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about, let me break down the math for you.

 

A bullet travels at a very high velocity so people thnks it has a very high momentum. That's wrong because momentum is the product of mass and velocity (p = m * v). A bullet's mass is tiny so it's momentum is a lot smaller than people think. The 6.5 Carcano (or 6.5 Italian) round used by Oswald has a mass of 10.5 grams and a velocity of 700 m/s. Let's assume the positive effect of gravity cancels out the negative effect of wind drag (this is to the benefit of your hypothesis) and say the bullet struck Kennedy at 700 m/s. That gives a momentum of 10.5 x 700 = 7,350 g * m/s.

 

Now assuming Kennedy's head absorbs the full momentum of the bullet and no energy was wasted (both benefiting your hypothesis) we can calculate the speed at which Kennedy's head should have gone forward. An average human head weighs about 4.5 to 5 kg. Assuming the lower end (again to your benefit) that gives 7,350 / 4,500 = 1.64 m/s. That's just shy of 3.7 mph or a brisk walking pace.

 

So why did his head move backwards? Simple answer; because when the bullet struck the back of his skull it didn't move the entire head forward but instead it blew brain matter and skull fragments to the front and right. This is where Newton's third law of motion comes in. Briefly summarized; Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This is what makes rockets work in space when there is nothing to "push of from." The rocket expels rapidly expanding gases from the combustion out the back and as a result the rocket goes forwards. In this case the expelled brain matter and skull fragments went to the front and right (the action); Kennedy's head went back and left (the reaction).

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Honestly, JW. That is some shockingly excellent critical thinking you just did there. Well done you.

 

Asperger's syndrome does not make people intellectually stupid. It only affects social and emotional intelligence.

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Asperger's syndrome does not make people intellectually stupid. It only affects social and emotional intelligence.

It doesn't make you magically super intelligent either. Most people would not have thought of turning the argument around like that. Honestly; I didn't either. 

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The House Subcommittee on Assassinations also concluded there was more than one gunman in Dealey Plaza that day. If there was more than one, a conspiracy occurred.

 

Who was on the Warren Commission? Who came up with the single bullet theory? It was a junior senator from Pennsylvania named Arlen Specter. Arlen Specter served for 40 plus years suppressing evidence to carry on the hoax of a single shooter.

 

If people want to believe Oswald acted alone, ask yourself why the evidence has been locked up for a period of 75 years if the government wants to prove their single shooter conclusion. Why would they do it? National security? What national security?

 

No sir, Oswald is exactly what he said, he was a Patsy.

 

Regards...................the Chiefjag

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I've read books where LBJ was behind it but even though the authors give compelling arguments, I think LBJ permitted the Warren Commission, or better instructed the Warren Commission to find a single lone nut shooter to keep the country from chaos.

 

You have to remember, in those days (and I was alive and well) the U.S. and Russia were in a saber-rattling confrontation over democracy vs communism. Strife was perking up in Southeast Asia, Cuba, Chzechoslovakia,  Korea, and other regions of the globe.

 

However, look at the events of that day. The president and leader of the free world is shot in a limousine and hundreds of people are scattering like roaches when the lights come on. The police, FBI, Secret Service are scrambling around for shooters, witnesses, injured and basic chaos in Dealey Plaza trying to round up suspects. Then miraculously an hour and so later they show up in a theatre to arrest somebody who walked in without paying. C'mon!

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

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The Kennedy assassination has always been an interesting story to me.

 

My thoughts...

 

The mafia was probably involved at some point.  It's no big secret that other "players" of the time were involved with both the mafia and the Kennedy's.  One person to think about and keep in mind is none other than Jimmy Hoffa.

 

A possible second shooter?  I don't rule it out.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

It doesn't make you magically super intelligent either. Most people would not have thought of turning the argument around like that. Honestly; I didn't either. 

 

Wow, amazing. I thought other people just did not read the Wikipedia article that claims five people heard gunshots from different directions.

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