I don't know why the OP says "Khan has bought into the process" because it appears to me he's a man of little patience since he fired Gene Smith after one season, he fired Mike Mularkey after one season, he just fired Magath of Fulham after going 4-16, and previous to that fired Jol and Muelensteen within a year and a half.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

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I don't know why the OP says "Khan has bought into the process" because it appears to me he's a man of little patience since he fired Gene Smith after one season, he fired Mike Mularkey after one season, he just fired Magath of Fulham after going 4-16, and previous to that fired Jol and Muelensteen within a year and a half.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

 

Caldwell made it clear in a preseason interview that the Mularkey firing was largely symbolic and had to happen to implement the "culture change" they decided was necessary. 

 

And really?  Gene Smith after one season?  C'mon.  He had a track record of horrible drafting and FA signings. It wasn't "one year" that sealed his fate.

 

Why in the world people bring up Fulham  when this topic is broached is absolutely beyond me.  There is absolutely zero correlation.  The NFL doesn't relegate teams.  The "scale of patience" for coaching and personnel changes in the Premier League is radically, radically different. 

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Zero correlation? Khan is the boss of both businesses, that's hardly zero correlation.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

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Zero correlation? Khan is the boss of both businesses, that's hardly zero correlation.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

I'll be more specific. (overstatement on my part in prior post - point remains the same however) 

 

When the Jags face being relegated to some football league inferior to the NFL, then Khan's patience as an owner of Fulham can be compared to his patience with the Jags rebuild.  Until that day, his ownership of the two clubs is the only correlation. To view his handling of Fulham hirings and firings as an indicator of his intentions with the Jags would be a mistake IMO.  

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Zero correlation? Khan is the boss of both businesses, that's hardly zero correlation.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

Two different animals.

 

There is much more complexity to the systems that get implemented in football which are heavily tied to the coaching staff. It usually takes a few years for the players to adapt.

 

Systems in soccer, much like baseball, are far simpler which allows for coaches/managers to be much more interchangeable.

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If Gus isn't gone by the end of this year, he'll be gone by the end of next year.  

 

If next year looks a lot like this year, there won't be anybody that can make any legitimate reasons/excuses about why he shouldn't be gone.

 

Not even his biggest defenders.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

I'm not saying Khan will fire Gus this year. What I'm saying is Khan's history with this team (Gene and Mularkey) and his other sports business (Muelensteen, Jol, Magath) has indicated he's not a patient man.

 

We'll see how patient he is but my guess would be if we don't show any improvement this season, or next season, I would be shocked if Khan gave Gus a 4th season.

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag 

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We'll see how patient he is but my guess would be if we don't show any improvement this season, or next season, I would be shocked if Khan gave Gus a 4th season.

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag 

 

I'm with you on that statement, Chiefjag.  ^ 

 

It's gotta look much better next year.  

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Then you better be darn sure it's his scheme or play calling is keeping you back. Because you are going to set your own self back learning a new system.


When Fisch calls a rb screen to side of the blitz for an easy third down conversion and Bortles guns it over Toby's head is it really the play calling? When Bortles first pass of the game is a pick? Don't get me wrong, I love me some Bortles and can't wait for him to develop, but the execution has been so bad lately, I don't know if you can blame Fisch or any of the coaches with any certainty.

 

The Jags are 1-10 and were pretty much handed the 1 win.

 

The offense has looked abysmal and Bortles actually looked better in earlier starts then now after 8 starts.

 

The offense has looked so bad lately, I just don't know how a set back with a new OC can look any worse then the Jags have looked in the last few games.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

I understand the argument that continuity could be good for Bortles -- but that's also why I felt Fisch should be fired last year.  I think it'd hurt Bortles development equally to have an OC who can't get the job done.  

 

The Coordinator isn't the only problem, but I think it's part of the problem.  


I'd say if Fisch is fired at the end of the year, that Dave has more faith in Gus.  Because I don't see us firing a head coach, and then having an OC change again in back to back to back years.


If Fisch stays at the end of the year, I think Gus's chances aren't as good (and not just because the OC isn't the right fit).  It could signify that there's a possibility of an entire coaching change.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

You sound so proud to write this thread. Ok he won't be fired and I can pretty much guarantee we won't be winning anything next year either. He's not a good head coach and people can blame Fisch all they want to but I've seen no growth and development in any area on this team outside of the d line. I'm already looking forward to the draft in 2016. Have you noticed the only exciting time for this team in these recent years is free agency, draft, mini camp, and preseason games? Come regular season all hope goes down the toilet. That sounds like a good reason to keep this bum around.

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You sound so proud to write this thread. Ok he won't be fired and I can pretty much guarantee we won't be winning anything next year either. He's not a good head coach and people can blame Fisch all they want to but I've seen no growth and development in any area on this team outside of the d line. I'm already looking forward to the draft in 2016. Have you noticed the only exciting time for this team in these recent years is free agency, draft, mini camp, and preseason games? Come regular season all hope goes down the toilet. That sounds like a good reason to keep this bum around.

 

Yeah, Ron Rivera was on the hot seat a year ago then was coach of the year and his team had much more talent than us. You have to trust the process. You can't just keep revolving head coaches every year. I think it was Mayock who said every coach should get at least 3 years so compare that with us who had a completely gutted roster when Gus took over.

 

Gus is going to get a fair shake and he deserves it. You don't flip a roster overnight.

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I highly doubt Fisch is going anywhere.

 

A person who's been forced to make things happen with over half his starters being rookies isn't going to be a fall guy.

 

Besides, implementing a new system next year with all these young players would be guaranteeing your offense will struggle again.

 

Babich on the other hand is a different story. The D got better when they reduced his role.

 

This, we need to keep things on offense with all the young guys see where it goes 

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<B><FONT color=cyan>Jags this is your year</FONT></B>

I agree you don't rotate a coach yearly, but once you realized you made a mistake it's fruitless to hang on to one. You can say trust the process but the process should be showing signs of improving from one season to the next.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

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I agree you don't rotate a coach yearly, but once you realized you made a mistake it's fruitless to hang on to one. You can say trust the process but the process should be showing signs of improving from one season to the next.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

The roster was further gutted on the offensive side of the ball. Basically, that process is in its infancy this year.

 

Really the only area on this team that has some talent with experience is the d-line and that entire rotation has been as good as any unit in the league.

 

Gus will get the benefit of the doubt for next season, but I think he will have to show some tangible proof that things are headed in the right direction to be here a fourth season.

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The lack of productive play/play calling is an derivitive of multiple scenarios. Not just Fisch nor the inexperienced offensive players. W/six plus rookies starting on the offensive side of the ball, this type of performances is expected by those that knows...


Khan, Caldwell and Bradley Knows...


NH3...

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"AZANE"

I'm not saying Khan will fire Gus this year. What I'm saying is Khan's history with this team (Gene and Mularkey) and his other sports business (Muelensteen, Jol, Magath) has indicated he's not a patient man.

 

We'll see how patient he is but my guess would be if we don't show any improvement this season, or next season, I would be shocked if Khan gave Gus a 4th season.

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag

I Concur to a point Chief. Khan should NEVER fire an HC, that's the responsibility of the GM. If Khan were to fire anyone on the football side of the organization, it'll be the GM...


NH3...

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"AZANE"

I'm not saying Khan will fire Gus this year. What I'm saying is Khan's history with this team (Gene and Mularkey) and his other sports business (Muelensteen, Jol, Magath) has indicated he's not a patient man.

 

We'll see how patient he is but my guess would be if we don't show any improvement this season, or next season, I would be shocked if Khan gave Gus a 4th season.

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag 

In the interview video in London, Mr Khan was asked how much patience he has...He replied with something like as long as he is seeing improvement he will be patient...He also said that the Jags are "just about" right where they thought they would be right now...He did say they felt they should have had a few more wins but there were a few that we gave away...(paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact wording)

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In the interview video in London, Mr Khan was asked how much patience he has...He replied with something like as long as he is seeing improvement he will be patient...He also said that the Jags are "just about" right where they thought they would be right now...He did say they felt they should have had a few more wins but there were a few that we gave away...(paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact wording)

I too remember this interview. Being that there's no relegations in NFL football, Mr. Khan will be less likely to interject on firing anyone w/respect to our Jaguars this early in the process...


NH3...

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"AZANE"

Yeah, Ron Rivera was on the hot seat a year ago then was coach of the year and his team had much more talent than us. You have to trust the process. You can't just keep revolving head coaches every year. I think it was Mayock who said every coach should get at least 3 years so compare that with us who had a completely gutted roster when Gus took over.

 

Gus is going to get a fair shake and he deserves it. You don't flip a roster overnight.

I agree he deserves 3 years I'm just not optimistic it will look different from this year to next season. He really looks like he doesn't know what he's doing.

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