Any word on the outcome?

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Any word on the outcome?

Still underway, but going into it his lawyer's goal was to just get everything dropped and done today. I can't blame him.

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Any word on the outcome?

I've read from people on warchant who have dealt with these kind of hearings and they've said they can take somewhere between 3-5 hours at times.

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Nothing will happen because he doesn't put his hands on people he's not supposed to "eh ref...."

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.

you so desperately want to feel better about this. I never said anything that indicated I WISH HE WAS GUILTY. it's in your head.


the worst thing I ever said was that he's a rapist. WOAH what a doozie.

Well i dont think there is much more for me to say. You said it all. Nothing like stating your rival QB is a rapist just to troll fans... but nah, you were hoping all along he was proven not guilty.

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Justice was done imo. Criminal case dropped wasn't it? He was found to be not guilty of that allegation.

Well, as many would argue the case could have been handled better from the start. If Jameis is innocent that actually hurts him (since people think there is a cover up) and if he is not, then it helped him.

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Yet the reality is that was what some people's mindset on here. 

 

Other than badger who sometimes does things to stir the pot, who?  I don't think anyone here was dying for Jameis to rape that girl just so he would get suspended.  To say that the investigation was perfect is a stretch...things were missing.  Things were not done correctly.  I think we can agree to that?

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so supporting someone who is fighting a charge they say is not true is pathetic?

 

Let's look at his book of work....he's not the choir boy you all want him to be.  You put off what he's done as not a big deal, but who knows what that idiot will do.

 

I'm sure many people thought Aaron Hernandez would straighten out once he got to UF and in the NFL.

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Well, as many would argue the case could have been handled better from the start. If Jameis is innocent that actually hurts him (since people think there is a cover up) and if he is not, then it helped him.

 

I'm not even saying this to be a hater...he's going to get off.  In my opinion, if you can't convict someone criminally of the crime, how can you kick him out?  

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I think he'll be found innocent as well, but for argument's sake the standard of evidence is different.

 

For criminal conviction you have to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. Sometimes referred to as 95% certain.

 

For these proceedings you go by the preponderance of evidence, or just do you think he did it. Think 51% of the evidence against him.

 

So basically it's very possible he could get kicked out of school on evidence that isn't sufficient for a criminal charge . . . but I doubt it happens.

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I think he'll be found innocent as well, but for argument's sake the standard of evidence is different.

 

For criminal conviction you have to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. Sometimes referred to as 95% certain.

 

For these proceedings you go by the preponderance of evidence, or just do you think he did it. Think 51% of the evidence against him.

 

So basically it's very possible he could get kicked out of school on evidence that isn't sufficient for a criminal charge . . . but I doubt it happens.

 

You described something that would happen in civil court.  Not so sure thats the same thing with a college hearing, but FSU's website does not clearly state how they come to a conclusion.

 

<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">"Upon conclusion of the hearing, the hearing body will make a determination of "responsible" or "not responsible" for each charge. If a decision of responsible is reached, the hearing body will craft a set of educational sanctions for the student to complete in order to fulfill the conduct process. These sanctions will be detailed in the decision letter along with a deadline for completion. If the deadline is not met, a judicial hold may be placed on a student's University records.

<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">The student has 5 class days to pick up and sign for their decision letter in the Office of Student Rights and Responsibilities."

 

There is no way the FSU brass will do this....they know what rides on this. 

 

Also, here is how the hearing is run....doesn't give a ton of detail on how the conclusion is reached either. 

 



Hearings


Typically, students may choose both their hearing type and hearing body. The Student Conduct Code provides for two distinct types of hearings, informal and formal.

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Informal Hearings
Informal hearings are best suited for cases involving few questions of fact. They can typically be scheduled quickly, at the convenience of both the charged student and the hearing body. In an informal hearing, the University does not automatically call witnesses to support the charges. However, the charged student may call witnesses and present evidence.  The hearing body may gather any additional information needed, including calling witnesses. If additional information is needed, the charged student will be notified. 

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Formal Hearings
Formal hearings are most appropriate for cases involving more serious alleged violations of the Student Conduct Code. Formal hearings require the hearing body to call appropriate witnesses to provide information relevant to the charges. Formal hearings are held no sooner than five class days after notice is given to the charged student. The hearings are recorded and this recording serves as the official record of the proceedings.

The following order of presentation is recommended for use in formal hearings. The hearing body may change the order if necessary.

1. Presentation of formal charges.
   
2. Opening statement by the University, followed by the opening statement of the charged student.
   
3. Presentation of evidence and witnesses by the University, followed by questioning of those witnesses by the hearing body and the charged student. Witnesses are then dismissed.
   
4. Presentation of evidence and witnesses by the charged student, followed by questioning of those witnesses by the charged student and the hearing body. Witnesses are then dismissed.
   
5. Questions directed to the charged student by the hearing body.
   
6. Closing statement by the University, followed by the closing statement of the charged student.
   

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Everyone knows that he's gone after this year any way, so I'm thinking the outcome depends on how much the school is trying to cover itself in case the girl decides to sue the school. Making some sort of "guilty" (for lack of a better word) ruling against him could go a long way in future lawsuit proceedings.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I think the implication is there that they only need to think he did it, preponderance of evidence, just based on the lack of any additional hurdles put forth.

 

And Bchbunnie the adjudicator is a retired 79 y/o state of Florida Supreme Court justice from Jacksonville with no affiliation with FSU. Do you really feel the school has "gotten to him" enough for your statement to be true?

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I think the implication is there that they only need to think he did it, preponderance of evidence, just based on the lack of any additional hurdles put forth.


And Bchbunnie the adjudicator is a retired 79 y/o state of Florida Supreme Court justice from Jacksonville with no affiliation with FSU. Do you really feel the school has "gotten to him" enough for your statement to be true?

I didn't mean it that way...as if the fix was in....more just wondering at this point how much the school would be trying to protect him.


Edit to add...Meaning I don't think they would be trying to, other than holding the results til after the season ends for FSU.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

So it has come out today a snapchat that Jameis sent to a girl asking to see her woman parts...hilarious.

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So it has come out today a snapchat that Jameis sent to a girl asking to see her woman parts...hilarious.

Isn't that pretty much what every 20 year old guy uses snapchat for?? :yes:

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Pretty much . . . how is this relevant to the hearing again? LOL

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Isn't that pretty much what every 20 year old guy uses snapchat for?? :yes:

 

I'm not hating on him for it....if I had snapchat back then I would have done the same thing.  I'm also not Jameis Winston though...lol

 

It's another funny face though.

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Pretty much . . . how is this relevant to the hearing again? LOL

 

Who said it was?

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Other than badger who sometimes does things to stir the pot, who?  I don't think anyone here was dying for Jameis to rape that girl just so he would get suspended.  To say that the investigation was perfect is a stretch...things were missing.  Things were not done correctly.  I think we can agree to that?

 

Agreed, most did not.  Just saying there were some questionable posts.

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