I can't wait until the Titans draft Winston. Funny how Bortles who has worse mechanics than Winston and still does is held in higher regard just because he plays for your favorite team. Easily the best quarterback in the draft.

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I'm having difficulty understanding those who denigrate Mariota. He's arguably the best QB that the Pac-12 has ever produced. He's led his team to a 12-1 record this year, including 6 T.D. Passes in a 51-13 blowout of then #7 Arizona in the Pac-12 championship game.

His career record is better than Elway, Aikman, Leinart and Luck, all who played in the Pac-12. His T.D. to interception ratio is the best ever in the Pac-12. He passed for 10,125 yards, for 101 T.D.'s with only 12 interceptions.


He has NFL QB size ( 6'4" ), speed ( 4.42 40 yd. dash), and intellect ( GPA 3.22).


Please educate me.

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I'm having difficulty understanding those who denigrate Mariota. He's arguably the best QB that the Pac-12 has ever produced. He's led his team to a 12-1 record this year, including 6 T.D. Passes in a 51-13 blowout of then #7 Arizona in the Pac-12 championship game.

His career record is better than Elway, Aikman, Leinart and Luck, all who played in the Pac-12. His T.D. to interception ratio is the best ever in the Pac-12. He passed for 10,125 yards, for 101 T.D.'s with only 12 interceptions.


He has NFL QB size ( 6'4" ), speed ( 4.42 40 yd. dash), and intellect ( GPA 3.22).


Please educate me.

 

If you watched the Arizona game, he didn't even play that well. A huge part of his game is his scrambling and that just doesn't work in the NFL.

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I'm almost 91% certain that corn will be selected by the Jags before another QB is in the 1st round of the 2015 draft.

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I can't wait until the Titans draft Winston. Funny how Bortles who has worse mechanics than Winston and still does is held in higher regard just because he plays for your favorite team. Easily the best quarterback in the draft.

 

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O.K., I can accept that. I was a college QB, and if I ever had 6 t.d. passes in a single game I'd think that was pretty good, even if I had to scramble in order to get them.

Having said this, I'm certain Mariota will be taken by either Tampa Bay or Tennessee ahead of us, so it's probably a moot point anyway. If Tennessee takes him, we'll get a close look at his development twice a year.

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Winston=Leaf=Russell

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What you do is draft the new QB, reveal his ratings in the 80s and his potential as A, then you trade him for future 1st rounders to a team without a QB. A lot of times I'll control their opponents as well to make sure I get some really high picks out of the deal.

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Winston isn't a first round pick.

Yes he is.

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Yes he is.

 

So was EJ Manuel.  Quarterbacks are a crap shoot in any round of the draft.  Nobody knows how any of these quarterbacks will do when they finally get there.

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So was EJ Manuel.  Quarterbacks are a crap shoot in any round of the draft.  Nobody knows how any of these quarterbacks will do when they finally get there.

 

Lets be honest here...no one thought watching EJ Manuel during his time at FSU that he was a first round pick. Not even FSU fans. There's probably one game I can remember during his time as the starter where he actually looked like a first round pick. Buffalo took a huge gamble by taking him in the first based off of his potential.

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Lets be honest here...no one thought watching EJ Manuel during his time at FSU that he was a first round pick. Not even FSU fans. There's probably one game I can remember during his time as the starter where he actually looked like a first round pick. Buffalo took a huge gamble by taking him in the first based off of his potential.

 

EJ Manuel is not the only first round qb in the NFL that didn't do well.  The list of busts is probably longer than the guys that worked out. (see Blaine Gabbert)

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Lets be honest here...no one thought watching EJ Manuel during his time at FSU that he was a first round pick. Not even FSU fans. There's probably one game I can remember during his time as the starter where he actually looked like a first round pick. Buffalo took a huge gamble by taking him in the first based off of his potential.

 

I laughed when the Bills took him.

 

He showed nothing that would lead you to believe he would be an NFL QB.

 

FSU improved when he left.

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I laughed when the Bills took him.

 

He showed nothing that would lead you to believe he would be an NFL QB.

 

FSU improved when he left.

 

So did the rest of the country.  That was the biggest head scratcher of that draft.  He was above average at FSU, but nothing to show that he would lead an NFL team.

 

I think Jameis has a shot in the NFL, but I'm not convinced it would work.

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So did the rest of the country.  That was the biggest head scratcher of that draft.  He was above average at FSU, but nothing to show that he would lead an NFL team.

 

I think Jameis has a shot in the NFL, but I'm not convinced it would work.

 

I have no doubt in my mind Jameis will succeed in the NFL. Fisher has had full freedom to call everything in his playbook with Jameis at QB. EJ as a fifth year senior was still limited as to what he could do. That's how much better of a player and learner Winston is.

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I have no doubt in my mind Jameis will succeed in the NFL. Fisher has had full freedom to call everything in his playbook with Jameis at QB. EJ as a fifth year senior was still limited as to what he could do. That's how much better of a player and learner Winston is.

 

So you know for a fact he's going to? 

 

Edit:  See what I did there?

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If there was an Andrew Luck type QB prospect in this draft then you take him.

 

There isn't an Andrew Luck type QB prospect in this draft.  

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

If there was an Andrew Luck type QB prospect in this draft then you take him.


There isn't an Andrew Luck type QB prospect in this draft.

Bingo!

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So far Mariota has done everything right, and could turn out to be a very good NFL quarterback.


But Bortles has also got the potential to be a very good NFL quarterback and we've just invested the best part of a season teaching him the ropes and giving him valuable experience. We have to see this one through now and see where Bortles takes us.


Otherwise we could be drafting a new quarterback in the first round every year !

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I'd say if you rate him as equal to Bortles or even a little bit higher, you try to trade back with a QB needy team. There is just no point in blowing our third first in five years on another QB. 

 

Look at the (simplified) math. If 50% of first round QBs have serviceable careers (VERY optimistic), the probability of finding at least one good QB when selecting them back to back only increase to 75%. Is it really worth the draft equity to improve your odds by 25%? Remember that there aren't enough snaps to develop two QBs simultaneously and only one of them can be on the field at any given time. Sure, there is hitting on both picks (25%) and trading one of them away for picks, but would you actually get enough value from the trade to make the whole ordeal worth it?

 

Jags would be much better off focusing on improving other positions of need than gambling again. Plenty of late round QB prospects to scout and develop.

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