What does Gene Smith do now a days?

Sell cars?

Didn't Khan get suckered in to extending that waste of space by three years right as he purchased the team? He is probably still having to pay that kook. I bet that has to pain the soul to sign that check.

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Jack is missed... for now...


If Bradley gets a good, experienced OC and keeps building the defense I think we may not remember JDR so fondly in a year or two...

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Jdr pulled 5 wins with gabbert hes goat

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Jdr pulled 5 wins with gabbert hes goat

 

No he didn't. First win that year was with McCown at QB. Last two wins were with Mel Tucker as HC.

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No he didn't. First win that year was with McCown at QB. Last two wins were with Mel Tucker as HC.

Also didn't hurt he had the league's rushing leader on his team.

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JDR was mediocre, which is better than Bradley and Mularkey. He also had problems with the Offense but never as bad as the other 2.

 

Also, Shack is highly underrated around here for some reason, the guy brought good players here, and yes, he also failed in some drafts (like every other GM in the NFL).

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Yet still, was the overall strength of personnel that much greater in the JDR/Shack beginnings compared to now, or did we underrate their accomplishments back then?

 

Is this a joke question?

 

Let's see.

 

In 2003, the new regime got a declining (but still with some value) Mark Brunell, a promising second year QB in Garrard, an in his prime Fred Taylor, an older but still productive Jimmy Smith, a servicable tight end in Brady, a Pro Bowl level guard in Chris Naeole, an ascending center in Brad Meester, a servicable right tackle in Maurice Williams, two rising stud defensive tackles in Stroud/Henderson, two solid defensive ends in Spicer/Meier and a fringe Pro Bowl safety in Darius.

 

It is such a laughable question.

 

Jagley, thanks for the response mate.  The intent was to get indicative responses from those that could constructively compare both eras.  Some of us don't football; it's too hard, we chose to be medical doctors instead.

 

Based on your response, is it fair to assume that you believe the personnel in 2003/2004 was heaps and bounds stronger than what we see currently, hence their 14 wins in 2 years, versus 7 in 2 years with the present regime?  'Chiefly' the same squad that went 6-10 in back to back seasons, in 01 and 02 under TC before he was let go for Del Rio?  The same squad that was considered cap strapped, aging and with no upside?  Hence the idea to start afresh with a NEW QB and COACH?  As stated, we had a splash of elite in Taylor, Twin Towers (though Henderson was just in year 2 after a subar rookie campaign) and Brackens. Garrard was never drafted to replace Mark, HENCE LEFTWICH in 2003.  Jimmy played 12 games that year and two more years after that.  He was in the prime of twilight.  Brady = Mercedes.  Beadles is also a probowler = Naeole.  Spicer and Meier are not comparable to superbowl champs fat Bryant and Clemons to you, along with 1st rounder Alualu, 2nd rounder Branch, Ryan Davis etc?  Darius, I give ya.  But a comparable investment has been in Cyprien...

 

The difference in personnel to me wasn't as astounding as the difference in production between the two eras.  As stated again, I believe they were better then, but were they that much better to get to 12 wins in year 3, AFTER 2 failed first rounders and free agents?  Would the current regime have had the same results with those players?

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Yeah.  I think I liked JDR because he fielded crap players, and still brought us to the playoffs.  I don't think Bradley can do that with good players.  Gene Smith did him in when he brought in D3 college players, and thought he was going to find every diamond in the rough.  Gene Smith was such a moron, and it really ruined this place.

 

Cheers CSO14.  That's precisely why he gets my vote as head coach, again.  Just like the likes of far less productive urns like Murlakey got after failing in Buffalo. 

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Absolutely he was underappreciated. We could have won a superbowl with him. He made a great defense with a pretty decent offense despite horrible draft picks thanks to shack and gene.


just imagine for a minute if shack and gene wouldve hit on those draft picks before our playoff run ofs2008.


edit: If we hit on those wr's we drafred after leftwich, we win 2008 superbowl easily. All we needed to beat NE that year was WR's who knew how to catch. Indy we decimated and both indy and chicago that year had choke QBs in manning and grossman

 

 

Bass, my thoughts exactly.  Considering what JDR did with what was supposed to be an old, done and out squad under rebuilding...it took our current futility (though dismantled from ground up) for me to see just how productive Jack Del Rio was as head coach in his start and subsequently.

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This.

JDR had wayyyyyyyyyyyy more established talent than Gus has had.  They blew out almost the entire roster from the previous regime because of how bad the talent was.

 

Ok Markulous.  I am totally confused by your response.  They blew out almost the entire roster from the previous regime because of how bad the talent was, as in who's regime, JDR's?  The same roster that was 'wayyyyyyyyyyy more established than what Gus has had?  Or TC's aged, cap strapped roster?

 

The same bad roster that had a far superior record under JDR?  Kindly help me understand which roster was blown out due to bad talent.  And which was one was wayyyyyyyy more established.  It appears as if you are curiously referring to the same era.

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Ok Markulous.  I am totally confused by your response.  They blew out almost the entire roster from the previous regime because of how bad the talent was, as in who's regime, JDR's?  The same roster that was 'wayyyyyyyyyyy more established than what Gus has had?  Or TC's aged, cap strapped roster?

 

The same bad roster that had a far superior record under JDR?  Kindly help me understand which roster was blown out due to bad talent.  And which was one was wayyyyyyyy more established.  It appears as if you are curiously referring to the same era.

 

Shack and Jack took over a roster already being rebuilt. Coughlin didn't "blow it up". He let go of a lot of veterans in 2002 but still had Brunell, Taylor, Smith, Brady, Meester, Maurice Williams, Stroud and Darius. And in 2002 added Garrard, Naeole and Henderson.

 

Trying to compare the two situations is laughable.

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I'd take Jack back over this crap right now. We're 11-42 since he left with more L's on the horizon. I have zero faith in Gus to turn an apple over let alone a football franchise. He's a good coordinator and nothing more. People don't like change and will ride out with Gus and will be burned when he finally gets those papers to haul [BAD WORD REMOVED].

 

That's exactly how I felt when I looked up JDR's first 3-year record as I read about his Oakland gig, P. Haze.  My thing is, aren't you too nice with 11 wins since JDR?  How did you get that?  I got (2) Murlakeys in 2012, and 7 Bradleys in 2013 (4) and 2014 (3) to give us a grand total of 9 Ws in the past 3 seasons combined since JDR left.

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Del Rio inherited a roster that was still carrying several quality veterans.  That wasn't the case when Gus took over.  The talent and experience isn't even close between the two teams. 

 

Indeed.  The roster that went 6-10, 6-10 in 01 and 02 under superbowl champion Tom Coughlin.  Or perhaps the top draft picks after JDR became coach were the difference.  Oh wait, Byron (03), Reggie (04) and Lord Allmatty (05).  Thank God for the later picks in Mathis, Jones etc.

 

As explicitly stated, I believe JDR inherited better players upon starting.  Is the difference that pronounced to produce 14 wins in his first 2 years vs. 7 for Gus?  Would Gus have done the same if the situations were reversed.  I'd like your take cause you were one of the vocal guys against JDR, but have been curiously mum on the far inferior current cast, production wise.  Sure, it's a rebuilding, rookie filled roster, acknowledged.  You draft em to play em.  Didn't JDR utilize his busted 1 rounders and the better latter picks?  Isn't Caldwell supposed to be an upgrade to Shack and Gene?  Aren't his picks utilized?

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Jack Del Rio's last season as a Jaguar 2011 his GM drafted Blaine Gabbert, Rackley as Guard, Cecil Shorts III, Prosikini Safety, and Rod Issac DB.

The ending depth chart that the new GM and HC received had Maurice Jones Drew HB - ProBowler, Poz ProBowler, D Smith in the playoffs right now

Tyson Alualu still on the team, DT Knighton Pot Roast been in playoffs back to back years, J Mincey on Cowboys in the playoffs starting, CJ Mosely, C Meester, Britton still playing as a guard on a different team, Mathis played on LIons in wild card game, D Landry in playoffs, FB Greg Jones great blocker, M lewis even current GM said he's incredible, G Selevie, LT Eugene Monroe starting for Ravens in playoffs, really too much talent to list at this link is the depth chart from that season

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Jackso...ars_season

 

 

The point is too often fans say this team lacks talent, that the team has to rebuild.... players not plays...

The team did have talent it just didnt work together... well...

 

 

Cheers Dew.  Personnel quality hasn't been drastically different the past 10 years indeed.  Putting it all together has.  Functional flaw, dear deplorable Jags.

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My thing is, aren't you too nice with 11 wins since JDR? How did you get that? I got (2) Murlakeys in 2012, and 7 Bradleys in 2013 (4) and 2014 (3) to give us a grand total of 9 Ws in the past 3 seasons combined since JDR left.

Mel Tucker got 2 the year JDR was let go

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Pigs must be fying. Is it really ok to be average? Does average win championships. How many trophies do we have again? Ugh...

 

Average got us to the playoffs multiple times and was NEVER considered unfit for league standards. 

 

So lets upgrade to 2-14, 4-12, 3-13.

 

Now, merely competing in about 6 out of 16 games is the standard

 

And you'll hear the upgrade tell you how proud he is of the effort

 

I agree, it's not okay to be average

 

We are building a long term team that will compete gloriously for years to come

 

In theory

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I personally think JDR was a good coach and isnt given enough credit as is due, he has turned the broncos D around.


Not that I think Bradley is a bad coach I think he's ok, but just to mention when you talk about the talent he inherited, let's not also forget the likes of Knighton, Smith, Cox and Mathis who was let go when he took over.

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JDR was mediocre, which is better than Bradley and Mularkey. He also had problems with the Offense but never as bad as the other 2.

 

Also, Shack is highly underrated around here for some reason, the guy brought good players here, and yes, he also failed in some drafts (like every other GM in the NFL).

 

My sentiments as well, regarding Shack, and I can state reasons for the ambivalence towards him.  However, I don't call JDR's accomplishments mediocre considering what we had to work with.  Quality, dedicated coach who outperformed his personnel strength, is my view.  Not a gem but far from a problem.  Gus Bradley on the other hand I believe could be a detterent to any viable team wanting to make a push.  Luckily for him, he is in Jacksonville and would not have that problem.

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