My only question to all this is what changed from with Mularkey to now. Gus had the option of keeping him on if he thought he was competent. This just tells me that Bradley wanted continuity with his staff and any one else would've made wholesale changes.....They have to ball out in free agency, if not, this the end of Gus

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My only question to all this is what changed from with Mularkey to now. Gus had the option of keeping him on if he thought he was competent. This just tells me that Bradley wanted continuity with his staff and any one else would've made wholesale changes.....They have to ball out in free agency, if not, this the end of Gus

 

Olson left Jacksonville to become Raiders OC.  I don't know what the sequence of events were, but Olson took a promotion after being in Jacksonville.  It's likely now that they wanted to keep him, but I don't know for sure.  

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I'm of the opinion that the Jags broke Gabbert, in more ways than one. We've been called a QB killer before. If that's true, then Olson's a guy who had a finger on the trigger. Jebus, help us if he turns Bortles into a washup too.

No, Gabbert just wasn't good.  The guy crumbles under pressure and unfortunately, no amount of coaching is going to fix that.

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I said he had an offense full of rookies this year, not that there wasn't talent. I can defend Fisch all day using the same logic that people defend Olson with.


David Garrard put up similar numbers to Bulger and I wouldn't exactly call Garrard an all star.


The fact that you would take 24 touchdowns every year from a Jags QB says a lot about the state of this franchise considering the top quarterbacks in the league are throwing double that.

You don't have to throw for 50 TDs a year to have a successful offense. You do realize the QBs who are doing so are future HoFers right?


Mark Brunell had a pretty damn good career here and I don't think he ever reached over 24 TDs in a season.

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You don't have to throw for 50 TDs a year to have a successful offense. You do realize the QBs who are doing so are future HoFers right?


Mark Brunell had a pretty damn good career here and I don't think he ever reached over 24 TDs in a season.

*conditioned to mediocrity...

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I'm of the opinion that the Jags broke Gabbert, in more ways than one. We've been called a QB killer before. If that's true, then Olson's a guy who had a finger on the trigger. Jebus, help us if he turns Bortles into a washup too.

 

I don't think the Jaguars did anything to break Gabbert that wasn't already a flaw in his game to begin with.  You can't coach courage, and Gabbert really wilted under pressure and was never able to recover from that.  He had all of the tools, and looked good in practices, but when you'd get him into game situations where he's expected to apply what he's been coached to do, he'd fail more often than not to meet expectations. 

 

I don't recall anyone ever referring to this team as a QB killer. 

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Why does this FBT guy have to defend every single thing this team does? There is absolutely nothing that is positive or you can use to justify this hire and try to spin it as not that bad. Please stop.

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Are we admitting that we're not just young, as the party line seemed to indicate last season, but fundamentally bad? No. Statistically and otherwise, our offense was bad last year. How does hiring any OC, regardless of who it is, indicate that the young players are fundamentally bad instead of just young? That's a pretty significant leap in logic. If we were admitting that our players are fundamentally bad, wouldn't Caldwell and Bradley be looking for new jobs? - 
I was reacting to all the comments lauding Olson for working with bad teams. The logic, as I read it, was coordinators for good teams have it easy because their teams are good, but it takes something special to be able to squeeze a little improvement out of teams that are bad. This seemed to contradict the idea that good coordinators produce good teams, and bad coordinators produce bad teams.


 

I also don't get the notion that Gase is a whiff because he had Manning to work with. Then perhaps it's because he has no OC experience apart from Manning. And the fact that every team who interviewed him hired someone else. Maybe those things are giving people reason to believe Gase is a whiff? - 
 I wanted an OC who has some experience with winning, because they have seen something that worked for them, not a guy who potentially can get an extra 5 MPH out of a jalopy, (and I resented the idea that we're a jalopy.) If you believe that Blake and all our rookies are the winners of the future, then hire the guys who know how to coach winners.


 

Are we admitting that Bortles is not a good QB, who just needed a year to 'mature', as the party line seemed to indicate last season? What kind of logic is this? Gus hired a guy with experience developing young QBs both in college and the NFL, yet somehow this means Blake is bad QB?
- I don't think Blake's a bad QB, but looking at the development of Gabbert and Carr as a goal for Bortles is selling him short imho.


 

What part of Olson's complete inability to produce production out of Gabbert indicates that he's good at working with bad QBs? Gabbert had his best year under Olson, including his time in SF. So I would guess it would be that.

Couldn't we just as easily say that Olson was a major contributor to Gabbert's collapse from potential to the worst QB in the league? Logically, no. Because Gabbert had his highest QB rating under Olson. To say Olson was a major contributor to Gabbert's collapse would be to completely ignore facts and logic. - 
 Claiming Gabbert looked his best under Olson is not very comforting, and I wouldn't want to have Gabbert's best stats on my resume as a QB coach, let alone OC.

 

I don't know what will happen if this rebuild fails. We clean house and start again. Is there another option? - I know, I meant I don't know what will happen with me as a fan. There's only so much abuse a man can take.


 

Sorry for being Eyeore here, and thanks for taking the time to reply. It's cathartic for me really.

 

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lol, of course this guy is trying to  use Derek Carr as justification for this hire. Derek Carr sucked this year. I'm sick of people trying to say this guy had a great rookie season. Literally the only thing he did well was not take sacks and not turn the ball over. Otherwise he freaking sucked, and that whole offense as a whole sucked. If anything Olsen could have been holding Carr back with all those short passes. I think I saw Carr throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field maybe 10 times all season. We will see more of what we saw at the end of the year with Blake, which was borderline Gabbert levels of production, with this guy "molding" him. Good lord. I can't believe someone is this much of a cheerleader for the time to try and defend this. Unilaterally trying to justify every thing this team does and play it off as "being patient" is ridiculous.

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I think that's where Marron steps in. I don't believe it was the QB coach that killed Blaine, but the oline. Blake, like any QB, will benefit from solid oline play

I agree the line probably EXPOSED the real weakness in Gabbert's game.  We haven't seen anything even remotely like that from Bortles in a very similar situation this year.  Gabbert folded like a cheap tent very quickly. 

 

IMO, Bortles is kind of a combination of Leftwich and Garrard.  He has the same willingness to hold on to the ball to allow a play to develop that Leftwich did.  But, he's also got the athletic ability and mobility that Garrard did.  Gabbert had the physical tools, but he didn't have the overall athletic ability, or the willingness to let plays develop. 

 

With significant improvements on the offensive line, I think we will see Bortles improve big time in 2015, but that is really dependent upon the line getting better.  That's on Marrone. 

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*conditioned to mediocrity...

Obviously. I mean who doesn't want a HoF QB throwing for 5000 yards and 50 TDs? Unfortunately those guys come about as often as a blue moon.

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lol, of course this guy is trying to  use Derek Carr as justification for this hire. Derek Carr sucked this year. I'm sick of people trying to say this guy had a great rookie season. Literally the only thing he did well was not take sacks and not turn the ball over. Otherwise he freaking sucked, and that whole offense as a whole sucked. If anything Olsen could have been holding Carr back with all those short passes. I think I saw Carr throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field maybe 10 times all season. We will see more of what we saw at the end of the year with Blake, which was borderline Gabbert levels of production, with this guy "molding" him. Good lord. I can't believe someone is this much of a cheerleader for the time to try and defend this. Unilaterally trying to justify every thing this team does and play it off as "being patient" is ridiculous.

Gosh, a rookie whose claim to fame is that he didn't take sacks, and protected the ball is now a bad thing?  Really? 

 

When a QB throws for more than 3200 yards as a rookie, has more TDs than INTs, and he's able to avoid getting crushed despite a lousy line, most people would consider that an effective rookie season.  Heck, if that was Bortles stat line, he'd be lauded for how well he transitioned to the NFL game. 

 

Bortles was not anywhere close to being in the same category as Gabbert.  Not even remotely close to that.

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Why does this FBT guy have to defend every single thing this team does? There is absolutely nothing that is positive or you can use to justify this hire and try to spin it as not that bad. Please stop.

So, saying it's too soon to offer any judgment is now defense? 

 

I know you knee jerk reactionaries desperately want to evaluate a move immediately, but you know what?  You haven't a clue what's going to happen.  Maybe you should stop whining about something that hasn't happened yet and wait until you have something to stand behind. 

 

I haven't spun anything as good or bad.  I know this is confusing for you, but that's a fact. 

 

What if he turns out to be the right hire?  All this self soiling you're doing now is going to make you look like an idiot.  If you prefer to look that way, more power to you.  I'll withhold judgment until we actually see the product on the field.  How dare I do such a thing!  Such a defender I am!

 

You're pathetic.

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You can obviously spin this in either direction whether you are for Olson or against him.

 

No one knows what really happened. Maybe we offered the job to other people but they turned it down. Maybe other people (Gase) had terrible interviews. Maybe no one had the same philosophy as Gus.

 

I for one am intrigued to see what this guy can do when he's got some good young talent. Bortles, Lee, Robinson, DRob, Blackmon (hopefully), Hurns and probably some more in the upcoming draft.

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You can obviously spin this in either direction whether you are for Olson or against him.

 

No one knows what really happened. Maybe we offered the job to other people but they turned it down. Maybe other people (Gase) had terrible interviews. Maybe no one had the same philosophy as Gus.

 

I for one am intrigued to see what this guy can do when he's got some good young talent. Bortles, Lee, Robinson, DRob, Blackmon (hopefully), Hurns and probably some more in the upcoming draft.

So, because you're willing to let this play out, I guess you're now counted among the defenders on this board.  Don't you think you'd be better off issuing an immediate judgment, then digging in for the next 8 months defending your position?

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So, because you're willing to let this play out, I guess you're now counted among the defenders on this board.  Don't you think you'd be better off issuing an immediate judgment, then digging in for the next 8 months defending your position?

 

You're right, no point discussing it at all. Let's just take down the boards. The usual response when there's nothing positive to actually say. 

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Why does this FBT guy have to defend every single thing this team does? There is absolutely nothing that is positive or you can use to justify this hire and try to spin it as not that bad. Please stop.

And he's usually wrong, all the while, the 'whiners' as he refers to them, point out the obvious and are cast into a lake of fire by sir master overlord. And to come to find out,they're typically on point with their assertions that are just blatantly evident without bias, using you know, cold hard facts. But hey, let's take the wait and see approach.


#PaidAsALemming

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Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
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So, because you're willing to let this play out, I guess you're now counted among the defenders on this board.  Don't you think you'd be better off issuing an immediate judgment, then digging in for the next 8 months defending your position?

lol I'm on the side that I actually like the hire. I don't know why but I do. 

 

Sometimes it's not always the best guy but the guy who works best for your club. Trestman didn't fit this teams persona... Gase was a terrible interview.... 

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You're right, no point discussing it at all. Let's just take down the boards. The usual response when there's nothing positive to actually say. 

 

There's plenty to talk about.  And if you're one of those who wants to run around wringing your hands about a hire before the first play has been called, go for it.  If that's all you've got to do here, that's certainly your prerogative.  Personally, I think it's a complete waste of time to anticipate doom and gloom until there's actually something tangible to blast the team for, but hey, you're welcome to do as you please, just as I'm entitled to laugh at those who spend the majority of their time prematurely judging every move this team makes as if they actually KNOW what one guy or another will do here.

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lol I'm on the side that I actually like the hire. I don't know why but I do. 

 

Sometimes it's not always the best guy but the guy who works best for your club. Trestman didn't fit this teams persona... Gase was a terrible interview.... 

Apologist.

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