Ideally, if you're picking top 3...you're getting a franchise QB, a franchise DE, a franchise LT, or perhaps a shutdown CB.


Our first two picks have been to address getting a franchise LT and then a franchise QB. Ideally, that leaves us with a franchise DE or a shutdown CB...neither of which are in this draft, IMO.


You can say the same for WR as you did with LDE. You have to go back all the way to 2007 to find a receiver taken in the top 3, and that's an absolute freak of an athlete prospect in Calvin. The closest one would be AJ green, and he too is a better prospect than Cooper.


When you factor in that the depth at WR runs deeper than DEs, then the choice to go DE over WR makes even more sense.

The closest one is Sammy Watkins drafted 4th last year.

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That's my point though. I don't think you should take a DE that high inless he's just racked up countless sacks throughout his career. And he's NOT that guy. If he was Julius Peppers or Mario Williams size wise, athletic wise, and statisically coming out of college, then sure. Take the kid. But he's not. He's more of a 3 - 4 inside type of guy or a LE that is more productive against the Run Vs. Pass. Taking a guy like that at No. 3 is foolish. I think if this team really wants a pass rusher you can get one later on in RD2 or RD3 that will be just as productive off the edge. Either that kid from Washington or Orhard out of Utah. Those guys were nightmares this past season off the edge.


Again, this team struggled on offense last year, not defense.

This team had the 28th ranked defense.


Just because we improved and got more sacks, doesn't mean we have a good defense. We gave up many crucial 3rd/4th down 1st down runs, and SOME GAMES our run D was non existent.


Leonard Williams, I believe, would have a greater impact for this team.

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This team had the 28th ranked defense.


Just because we improved and got more sacks, doesn't mean we have a good defense. We gave up many crucial 3rd/4th down 1st down runs, and SOME GAMES our run D was non existent.


Leonard Williams, I believe, would have a greater impact for this team.

 

Right on, it's not that difficult to comprehend, btw, we were a top 5-6 defense in sacks but last in hurries, that doesn't project well for next year. This team needs to get more athletic impact players on the defensive side of the ball, this is the draft to do it as it's loaded with said players, Leonard Williams would be a fantastic start.

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The closest one is Sammy Watkins drafted 4th last year.

 

Forgot about Watkins. But he's actually an example of why, if you're taking a WR in the top 3, that you better be sure he's in that elite prospect class. You can make an argument that Odell and Evans should have gone higher.

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So your barometer for a "good" season (for a rookie receiver) is 700 yards? That's such an ignorant statement, also, I don't know of any Jaguar receiver that is coming off of microfracture surgery, an acl tear, patella tendon tear etc.., I would consider those
major injuries, Allen Robinson's broken foot doesn't project as a "major injury", he should be 100% well before training camp starts. You're fooling yourself if you believe the Jaguars aren't going defense in the first round, the defense needs to get younger and the offense needs to mature, I'm not sure how any competent Jaguar fan can't see this. I wouldn't be at all surprised if David Caldwell spent the first three picks on defense, I expect him to shore up the offensive holes in FA.

 

Preach all you want. We were dead last in PPG last season. There are holes all over the place. Sure Robinson did well, sure Lee did OK, but yeah you'd be fooling yourself if you thought the coaches aren't considering Amari Cooper.

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Forgot about Watkins. But he's actually an example of why, if you're taking a WR in the top 3, that you better be sure he's in that elite prospect class. You can make an argument that Odell and Evans should have gone higher.

That's kind of what I'm saying.


Sammy, ODB, and Evans are all WRs worthy of being ATLEAST top 5 draft picks.


Good football players are good football players, regardless of position. If a player scores you 2-3 TDs a game (ODB, Evans) you absolutely take him top 3 if there are no better options.


In this case, I DO believe Williams is the better option.

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Preach all you want. We were dead last in PPG last season. There are holes all over the place. Sure Robinson did well, sure Lee did OK, but yeah you'd be fooling yourself if you thought the coaches aren't considering Amari Cooper.

 

At this point in the Jaguars rebuilding phase, nothing should be out of consideration. I'm sure they'll consider Amari. Unless the defensive ends and OTs tank between now and the combine though, my guess is they'll take a similarly graded OT or DE before going after another WR.

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That's kind of what I'm saying.


Sammy, ODB, and Evans are all WRs worthy of being ATLEAST top 5 draft picks.


Good football players are good football players, regardless of position. If a player scores you 2-3 TDs a game (ODB, Evans) you absolutely take him top 3 if there are no better options.


In this case, I DO believe Williams is the better option.

 

I agree, and I think teams are going to evaluate how they value WRs moving forward given how this league is developing into a passing game year by year.

 

That said, I'm not sure I agree that each of those guys are "at least top 5 draft picks". Odell for sure. But aside from him, factoring in system and circumstance, you can argue that guys taken much later (Kelvin, Lee, Robinson, Mathews, Adams) had similar production. If not similar production, it would be comparable enough that you might have been better off waiting on the WR if you had a larger need elsewhere.

 

Tampa's OL was a weakness last season. Were they better off with Evans at 7, or could they have taken say...Lewan and still take Matthews in round 2? (as an example).

 

Granted last year's WR crop is probably as good as it looked in...years? decades even?

 

I'm not completely opposed taking Amari at #3. Frankly, I'm not too enamored with the other end prospects other than Leonard. I'll keep digging on the end prospects, but if I continue to get turned off by them (and if the Jags feel the same way as I do), at some point they'll probably think "gee, none of these guys really fit the draft spot. We need to start looking at other positions in case we can't trade down"

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Preach all you want. We were dead last in PPG last season. There are holes all over the place. Sure Robinson did well, sure Lee did OK, but yeah you'd be fooling yourself if you thought the coaches aren't considering Amari Cooper.

 

I like Amari Cooper, he has a chance of being a good player for a long time, but there is no way the Jaguars are going to draft a 6'0 receiver with the 3rd overall pick, it'd be different if Amari Cooper was a once in a generation player like Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, or even a Julio Jones, but he's (physically) not in the same ballpark as those players. I'm sure the Jaguars will do their due diligence on all
players that are projected to go in the top 10, but I expect the pick to be either Leonard Williams, Randy Gregory, Shane Ray, or Dante Fowler, this team needs impact edge rushers in a bad way.

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At this point in the Jaguars rebuilding phase, nothing should be out of consideration. I'm sure they'll consider Amari. Unless the defensive ends and OTs tank between now and the combine though, my guess is they'll take a similarly graded OT or DE before going after another WR.

 

They're not taking a receiver and I'd be more surprised if they take an offensive linemen, not with the 3rd pick. I expect the Jaguars to target a Right Tackle and possibly a center (like Rodney Hudson) early in FA.

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I like Amari Cooper, he has a chance of being a good player for a long time, but there is no way the Jaguars are going to draft a 6'0 receiver with the 3rd overall pick, it'd be different if Amari Cooper was a once in a generation player like Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, or even a Julio Jones, but he's (physically) not in the same ballpark as those players. I'm sure the Jaguars will do their due diligence on all
players that are projected to go in the top 10, but I expect the pick to be either Leonard Williams, Randy Gregory, Shane Ray, or Dante Fowler, this team needs impact edge rushers in a bad way.

 

Pretty sure that 6'0 knock against recievers is long forgotten after OBJ's past season.

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I agree, and I think teams are going to evaluate how they value WRs moving forward given how this league is developing into a passing game year by year.


That said, I'm not sure I agree that each of those guys are "at least top 5 draft picks". Odell for sure. But aside from him, factoring in system and circumstance, you can argue that guys taken much later (Kelvin, Lee, Robinson, Mathews, Adams) had similar production. If not similar production, it would be comparable enough that you might have been better off waiting on the WR if you had a larger need elsewhere.


Tampa's OL was a weakness last season. Were they better off with Evans at 7, or could they have taken say...Lewan and still take Matthews in round 2? (as an example).


Granted last year's WR crop is probably as good as it looked in...years? decades even?


I'm not completely opposed taking Amari at #3. Frankly, I'm not too enamored with the other end prospects other than Leonard. I'll keep digging on the end prospects, but if I continue to get turned off by them (and if the Jags feel the same way as I do), at some point they'll probably think "gee, none of these guys really fit the draft spot. We need to start looking at other positions in case we can't trade down"

Mike Evans scored 12 TDs ( tied with ODB )last year. That's HALF the amount of TOTAL touchdowns we had AS AND OFFENSE. Not to mention he was playing for a terrible team last year. Do you really think he couldnt of gone 2 picks ahead of where he was taken (7th)?


Mike Evans is just as much as a game changing WR they all are, he just plays for a the worst team in the league.


Plus, as much as I love Lee and Robinson, they caught a total of three TDs COMBINED. To think TB would of been better off taking one of them instead, is incorrect.

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Forgot about Watkins. But he's actually an example of why, if you're taking a WR in the top 3, that you better be sure he's in that elite prospect class. You can make an argument that Odell and Evans should have gone higher.

You also need to add Julio Jones.


Not only did he go 1 pick outside of the top 5, ATL gave up 2 first round draft picks and 3 additional ones as well.


People in ATL couldn't care less.

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Pretty sure that 6'0 knock against recievers is long forgotten after OBJ's past season.

Come on, the league has never seen a receiver the size of ODB come in and dominate as a rookie the way he did, I doubt we'll see that again anytime soon, he's the exemption not the rule, and to expect similar results from Amari Cooper is setting yourself up for dissapointment.

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Come on, the league has never seen a receiver the size of ODB come in and dominate as a rookie the way he did, I doubt we'll see that again anytime soon, he's the exemption not the rule, and to expect similar results from Amari Cooper is setting yourself up for dissapointment.

6 of last years top 10 WRs ( in receiving yards) are 6 foot and below.


Just saying, while they may not of lit it up in their rookie years, being below 6 ft and good is not an exemption to the rule.

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6 of last years top 10 WRs ( in receiving yards) are 6 foot and below.


Just saying, while they may not of lit it up in their rookie years, being below 6 ft and good is not an exemption to the rule.

 

I'm talking about a 6'0 rookie
receiver coming into the league and dominating the way ODB did, that's rare, find me the last time a 6'0 rookie receiver came in and dominated (as a rookie) and I'll give you $100. You made my point, 6 of the last year’s top 10 WR's were 6 foot and below, how many were selected in the top 10? Let alone the top 3, you can find those guys later in the draft.

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Mike Evans scored 12 TDs ( tied with ODB )last year. That's HALF the amount of TOTAL touchdowns we had AS AND OFFENSE. Not to mention he was playing for a terrible team last year. Do you really think he couldnt of gone 2 picks ahead of where he was taken (7th)?


Mike Evans is just as much as a game changing WR they all are, he just plays for a the worst team in the league.


Plus, as much as I love Lee and Robinson, they caught a total of three TDs COMBINED. To think TB would of been better off taking one of them instead, is incorrect.

 

Like I said, I'm not necessarily talking about whether they deserve to be #3 pick. But rather, can you get close value later in the draft? When it comes to skill positions like rb or wr, its much easier to find a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round that can be productive for you than the LT or DE in the top 3 (providing you hit on the right guys, of course).

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I'm talking about a 6'0 <span style="font-family:Arial;">rookie
receiver coming into the league and dominating the way ODB did, that's rare, find me the last time a 6'0 rookie receiver came in and dominated (as a rookie) and I'll give you $100. You made my point, 6 of the last year’s top 10 WR's were 6 foot and below, how many were selected in the top 10? Let alone the top 3, you can find those guys later in the draft.</span>

I realize that you're talking about the rookie year, but that means little. If Amari Cooper doesn't have 1300 yards/ 12 TDs his rookie year, does that mean anything?


Someone said the 6'0 argument is done after ODB, and you said it wasn't because he is an exception to the rule. I don't know where you made the point of what pick in the draft they went, or what year they were in, but that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about WRs not needing to be 6'5 to be dominant.

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Like I said, I'm not necessarily talking about whether they deserve to be #3 pick. But rather, can you get close value later in the draft? When it comes to skill positions like rb or wr, its much easier to find a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round that can be productive for you than the LT or DE in the top 3 (providing you hit on the right guys, of course).

My point was that if there is a can't miss playmaker at ur pick in the top 5, it doesn't really matter what position he plays.

 

Oakland took Khalil Mack at 5. He is one of the top candidates for DROY with only 4 sacks, meaning he was just being a good LB. Is LB a premium position you cant get later in the draft? Should Oakland have gone with Johnny Manziel or Matthews or Lewan because Mack plays a less premium position?

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My point was that if there is a can't miss playmaker at ur pick in the top 5, it doesn't really matter what position he plays.

 

Oakland took Khalil Mack at 5. He is one of the top candidates for DROY with only 4 sacks, meaning he was just being a good LB. Is LB a premium position you cant get later in the draft? Should Oakland have gone with Johnny Manziel or Matthews or Lewan because Mack plays a less premium position?

 

On that specific point, I agree.

 

Whether Cooper is that player however, that I'm not too sure on just yet.

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