True, but a right side OLINE of Wisnewski,Linder,Sherff, and maybe Marcedes would be road graders. 

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I think most people are gun shy about the Scherff pick because Joeckel has been such a disaster thus far. Unfortunately, until he proves to not be a bust, this offensive line is significantly set back from being able to protect Bortles adequately.

Though I might not go so far as to call the Joeckel pick a "disaster" at this stage, I agree that he has been disappointing thus far and the OL has been hurt because of it.

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I haven't really seen any reports of this, but I sure do hope it is true.

I would think the Browns reports are legit. They do have their QB coach in waiting working with him leading up to the combine.

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We spent the #2 pick on a left tackle and gave up 71 sacks a year later.


Don't force a pick.

 

 That one sentence pretty much sums it up.

 

The 2nd one is also true.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

I would think the Browns reports are legit. They do have their QB coach in waiting working with him leading up to the combine.

 

 So you think they are ready to give up on JFF already?

 

Talk about a wasted pick if indeed that is the case.

 

I really do hope some team is willing to give up a really good price to move up to the Jags spot.

 

Right now, it's just all speculation, but we'll see.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

I think Williams is the best pick but if he is gone I agree a trade down would be preferable.  if there is no trade down to our advantage then I would rather take a tackle than reach for someone like Gregory.  if we can get a tackle in free agency and Williams is gone and no trade then yes roll the dice on a pass rusher.  just not Gregory. 

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When you play in a division with JJ Watt and probably Leonard Williams (assuming TEN takes him instead of a QB), both of whom line up on the right side, you're damn right a RT is worth pick 3. When your defensive line had the 6th most sacks in the NFL but your offensive line gave up the MOST sacks in the NFL, you're damn right that RT is a much bigger need than Leo. And when a guy as ridiculously strong, quick, and technically sound like Brandon Scherff is available, who also was a zone blocker in college that fits our scheme, you take him in the top 10. Period.


Williams, Scherff, or bust. I know pick 3 seems like a bit of a reach -- but he's such a great fit and such an incredible athlete, and NO ONE will complain if he is keeping JJ Watt/whoever else out of Bortles's face and out of Denard's way. If Joeckel doesn't pan out then Scherff is EVERY bit as good of a prospect at LT as he was.

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who is the most important player on this team?  I think its bortles.  so why would it be such a stretch to draft a right tackle to protect him?  would I rather see us get bulaga in free agenacy?  yes.  cant see green bay letting him go.  not sure why a lot of people wanting to get a prospect leo at 3 when we need to think of getting our future qb some line help.  so I guess my question is would you rather take a flier on a leo or get the best right tackle we have seen since searcy?  I think Williams is the best prospect at defensive line and I would not pass on him but if he is gone give me scherff or peat over reaching for a pass rusher.   

Well if Dave Caldwell drafts an LT it is saying his first choice as a GM was wrong with Luke & by trading away Monroe...

i am not saying he wont do it, because of the need but i doubt it...

most likely if Leo Williams is there he'll draft the obivious best player available & with DT Marks being injured he needs that solid great DT for the defense...

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Pretty certain LT won't be at the top of the Jags draft board. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

According to NFL.com, Marcedes Lewis ranked 45th among all TE's, Harbor ranked 29th. I realize Lewis was hurt, but he's hardly scaring any opponent we face. The TE position has become a hybrid position, with many TE's now used as prolific offensive weapons. I just don't see Lewis as a threat, at all. It's great that he can block, but the position has evolved greatly and they are being used much more differently in the modern NFL. I am hoping that either through the draft or FA, Caldwell modernizes the Jags with a pass-catching TE. It's probably not the biggest priority, but the Jags need one soon.

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When you play in a division with JJ Watt and probably Leonard Williams (assuming TEN takes him instead of a QB), both of whom line up on the right side, you're damn right a RT is worth pick 3. When your defensive line had the 6th most sacks in the NFL but your offensive line gave up the MOST sacks in the NFL, you're damn right that RT is a much bigger need than Leo. And when a guy as ridiculously strong, quick, and technically sound like Brandon Scherff is available, who also was a zone blocker in college that fits our scheme, you take him in the top 10. Period.


Williams, Scherff, or bust. I know pick 3 seems like a bit of a reach -- but he's such a great fit and such an incredible athlete, and NO ONE will complain if he is keeping JJ Watt/whoever else out of Bortles's face and out of Denard's way. If Joeckel doesn't pan out then Scherff is EVERY bit as good of a prospect at LT as he was.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Scherff drafted to play RT.

 

Wrong place to draft an RT, but a fit.  You draft to improve the team, and that pick would work.

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I think Williams is the best pick but if he is gone I agree a trade down would be preferable.  if there is no trade down to our advantage then I would rather take a tackle than reach for someone like Gregory.  if we can get a tackle in free agency and Williams is gone and no trade then yes roll the dice on a pass rusher.  just not Gregory. 

 

Completely agree.

 

I also don't rule out Amari Cooper for the same reason.

 

I think Williams is their first choice, and trading out second.

 

Sherff and Cooper third and fourth.

 

IMO, of course.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Scherff drafted to play RT.

 

Wrong place to draft an RT, but a fit.  You draft to improve the team, and that pick would work.

Somewhat surprising analysis from you, Pirkster (not a dig).

 

The "wrong place to draft a RT" sounds like your past stances (recall the S debate we had a couple of years back), but it seems like you might endorse a Scherff pick at 3.

 

Personally I have not understood the venom against Scherff at 3, though Mayock lists him as a G.

 

I don't know if I agree with Mayock's listing of Scherff as a G (though I have yet to see the combine measurements).

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Somewhat surprising analysis from you, Pirkster (not a dig).

 

The "wrong place to draft a RT" sounds like your past stances (recall the S debate we had a couple of years back), but it seems like you might endorse a Scherff pick at 3.

 

Personally I have not understood the venom against Scherff at 3, though Mayock lists him as a G.

 

I don't know if I agree with Mayock's listing of Scherff as a G (though I have yet to see the combine measurements).

 

You're right, this is not a stance I would normally take if I didn't see the top of this draft as somewhat weak.

 

I believe outside of Williams, there's no "must have" guy at pick three.

 

It's why I think the second best choice to him is trading back.

 

If not, you have to make the "safest" pick of what I see as pretty much equal (but lesser) value at that point.  And, which you might infer from my stance, I don't see value for us as three if it's not Williams or a trade.  I think there's a significant drop off after Williams, and when all else is equal you aren't reaching if you're going for need.

 

Mayock seems worried about his struggles against the pass rush.  "Sumo" is a word I've seen describing his less than perfect technique.  I think that's why he's pegged him at G.  No one disagrees he's a mauler/road grader, though.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Luke is fine. Most of the guys haven't had much playing time but for this year.. They will be fine. You can't block the whole defense at one time. Until the O puts pressure on a D with aggressive plays down the field to back the D off the line it's not gonna matter who they get. I pick captains for for both sides first. QB, MLB, then guys to protect them. OL, DL and then talent around them. We have a QB so that spot is open for another pick. Do we trade it to get a really good lineman to protect QB? I like some of the LB but could use some change. I think we need to go after a TE. We need that extra target. I see use going after RB, DE, OL, CB, WR, TE. Not exactly in that order but I see us needing some of them. I will say another building year.

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I still say we need to switch Ace Sanders to Kick Returner and save Toddman for just the backfield. Has anybody seen a good punt returner possible in the draft. You also got to think how long can Josh keep up the kicking so many times. If we don't pick one this year we should really get one next. Hate to say it but the time will come for that change. You still the man Scobee.

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I love how many people talk about Scobee like he is ancient. He isn't a running back he is a kicker. Players kick late into their 30's sometimes even into their 40's. Out of all our needs kicker isn't even close.

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Yeah, but most kickers don't kick half as much as Scobee. Not saying he is old but he has had some strains last year or year before and it may become a concern. As I was saying before I think we really need a TE and has anybody else seen Maxx Williams. He is looking pretty good so far in the combine. Great hands, nice speed and route running. Someone to keep an eye on. We didn't see the Jags drafting Paul for punting but it has really worked out and helps for field position. You just don't know. If we can put up 6 and save the leg we'll/he'll be fine.

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You're right, this is not a stance I would normally take if I didn't see the top of this draft as somewhat weak.

 

I believe outside of Williams, there's no "must have" guy at pick three.

 

It's why I think the second best choice to him is trading back.

 

If not, you have to make the "safest" pick of what I see as pretty much equal (but lesser) value at that point.  And, which you might infer from my stance, I don't see value for us as three if it's not Williams or a trade.  I think there's a significant drop off after Williams, and when all else is equal you aren't reaching if you're going for need.

 

 

I agree with this. If Williams is gone and we can't trade back, then we're picking a player with little more value than a player who'd be left at pick #10. If Sherff is a solid prospect at RT, then Caldwell could do worse than pick him, assuming we can't get Bulaga.

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so I guess some agree with me.  in my mind its simple if we cant trade down and Williams is not there then I would take a chance on a right tackle to help bortles.  unless we can get beluga.  haha 

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