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Reading the Tea Leaves
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Quote:This is what the tea leaves are telling me..... LEO and RB both in the first round:I would be quite happy with this. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:I would be quite happy with this. I'd love it! But I highly doubt Gregory is there. I wouldn't be surprised if Gregory is the first pass rusher off the board. It's my opinion he's only "dropped" in perception as the media mock drafters have fallen in love with some of the other guys.
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Yeah, the order the pass rushers come off the board is a crap shoot right now. Ten different GM's could have them ranked ten different ways. Just gonna depend on their personal evaluations. I do think Fowler will be the first though, unless some negative info on him comes out before the draft.
I also don't realistically think the Browns would trade up for Mariota. I'd give it about a 10% chance of happening. I think they will start Josh McCown and ask him to try to tutor Manziel this year, before they give up on him next year and start over. At this point we might have a better chance of fielding a trade (from Clevland or somebody else) if Mariota goes #2 and Leonard Williams is there for us. Cleveland could definitely use Williams at 3-4 DE in their scheme. Hmm, "light bulb"!
Changed up the pass rusher order a little bit. Would Beasley or Dupree now be a better fit for what we need and after what we did in Free Agency? Now that we have Skuta at OLB, I think Dupree fits best to rotate with or take over for 33 year-old Clemons at RDE.
I think what also complicates the pass rusher pool is that there are so may tweeners in this draft, and so many teams that now run 3-4 that will covet them.
Ten years ago, those guys had less value because they weren't good 4-3 fits. Today, their value is inflated because of demand from 3-4 teams. So much so, OLBs are petitioning to be paid like RDEs when they get tagged, etc. If we go there with our third pick instead of trading down, I hope we get a Justin Houston instead of another Akin Ayodele. Tweeners can be extremely risky if the fit misses.
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Quote:I think what also complicates the pass rusher pool is that there are so may tweeners in this draft, and so many teams that now run 3-4 that will covet them.I agree. I edited my mock a little bit in the post just above and posed a question about who is a better fit for the jags from the DE/OLB guys who are left in that scenario. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
We don't trade down if Williams is avaliable. Seriously. .look at St. Louis. They are a healthy starting QB caliber QB away from being legitimate contenders (Foles might put them there now), and they got that way by stock piling freaks along the front 7. But I still don't think we take a running back in the first two rounds. Josh Robinson from Miss State has MJD written all over him IMO and I believe we can get him in the 3rd or 4th.
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I do not want Melvin Gordon. He will not be a special player and will hardly be worth a first round pick, let alone one in the top 20.
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Really think Gregory falling to 12 is a pipe dream but who knows...
I could see the NYG taking him over WR Parker…let gregory learn from JPP. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:Really think Gregory falling to 12 is a pipe dream but who knows...Yeah, I moved Gregory up to the Jets at #6 after studying their roster a bit more and seeing that Calvin Pace was still starting for them. He will need a walker soon. I had Beasley or more likely Bud Dupree falling to us at #12 in my latest mock (if we traded down). See post #23.
As I think more about it, I believe if we want Gurley or Gordon, waiting until the second round might be a mistake.
I think there are a slew of teams that you could strongly argue need RB that pick before our pick at 36: Minnesota (11th overall), Cleveland (12, 19), San Diego (17), Arizona (24), Dallas (27), Indy (29), New England (32) and Oakland (35th) This does not factor in those teams that draft BAP who may see one of the RBs as BAP at the time, or teams below us in the 2nd round (NY Jets) that could theoretically trade up into the bottom of the first to ensure they get a RB. If the team is not careful, they could be without a top level RB to take some of the pressure off of Bortles. While history has proven you can find RBs in the mid to late rounds, I think Bortles' development is too important to risk stunting by not getting him the help he needs, as Caldwell has stated he would. A strong running game is a huge help to a young QB. While I don't think we should take a RB at three, trading down, accumulating picks later to use to possibly trade up into the bottom of the first is the least we could do to ensure Bortles has a running game to lean on. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
Quote:This is what the tea leaves are telling me..... LEO and RB both in the first round:I would love this but I just do not believe Cleveland will trade for another read option QB. Quote:Oh yeah the last question, it's not really that I think RB should be ignored, I just think RB is a position that quality talent is proven over and over and over to be readily available later in the draft than quality talent at other positions. As for David "Duke" Johnson, I just asked in another thread if maybe the Jaguars could snag him at the top of round three, but no way he lasts until round four. I say this because he absolutely blew up the combine... <p style="margin-left:40px;">4.5 flat 40 (only four RBs including Gurley had a sub 4.5) , 6.82 3-cone (only Abdullah was better) , 4.27 shuttle (average; Abdullah was again #1) , vert 41.5 (only Abdullah was better) , 127" broad (only Abdullah was better) , 25 reps (only 3 RBs, none a top name, did more)
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:2. We disagree on Gordon, however, especially on the issue of explosiveness. Him saying he doesn't have the explosiveness of Jamaal Charles isn't the same thing as saying he lacks explosiveness altogether. I think he was trying to be humble. One of the things that impressed me about him is his abundance of breakaway runs. He reminded me of Tavian Banks in terms of big play ability. I haven't seen that kind of big play ability out of a Big 10 RB since then. The one concern I have for him is pass protection. It's interesting that you compared him to Tavian. I actually compared his breakout ability to Fred Taylor. That said, we perhaps should keep in mind that Gordan ran a 4.5 where Taylor ran a 4.3 and Tavian ran a 4.2.
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Quote:This is what the tea leaves are telling me..... LEO and RB both in the first round: I could totally see this, although it would be a tough choice to me between Gurley and Abdullah.
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Quote:I'd love it!Showing up at the Combine weighing 235 did him no favors amongst the 4-3 crowd.
Gurley is the only RB I want in the later rounds. I'd like trae Wayne's, Vic Beasley, or Randy Gregory in the 1st round
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:As for David "Duke" JohnsonVery first thing needs to be clarified...are you combining two guys? David Johnson is the RB from Northern Iowa, and I have never heard of him as "Duke". Duke Johnson is the RB from Miami, and his first name is Randy.
My guess in reading the tea leaves is they do not expect Leonard Williams to be there at 3. They will pick an edge rusher in the first. My guess is Beasley. And a running back in the second or third. I suspect there will be a run on backs in the second. So the team may go that direction in the second round. Otherwise, a middle linebacker to take over for Poz will be the second rounder.
Quote:We don't trade down if Williams is avaliable. Then you are ensuring the worst case scenario. Having to choose a tweener worth about pick #10.
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