I think the concept that Bortles has the chance to be better than Bridgewater is why the situation is what it is right now. Bridgewater was simply fantastic in the NCAAs, but it just seemed like he was not going to get much better. That is not to say that he won't have a nice career and lead teams to a lot of wins, but is he really going to be able to tilt the field in his favor? I don't think so, but I've been wrong before.

 

Bortles gives you a chance to have a guy that can change the game in your favor. That's why he's on the Roster instead of Bridgewater. Just my $0.02

 

Bingo.

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Gosh! That's some revelation there! If his upsdide doesn't lead to results, it means nothing! Who knew?!?!


Any other statements of the obvious you'd like to toss out there? Water is wet? The sky is blue? Teach us all, oh wise one!


If you think a QB will become a franchise level QB, and you grade him as such, whether he requires development or not, you draft him. It's not rocket science. This front office believed he was the best QB in the draft. They had the opportunity to draft him, Bridgewater, or Manziel, and they went with the guy they felt was the only true potential franchise QB. Time will tell if they were right or wrong in that assessment. But, they clearly didn't see Bridgewater as being anything more than a decent QB with limitations. Otherwise, he'd be the Jags QB.


You're welcome to go back and look at all of Teddy's highlights if it gives you the warm fuzzies. Ultimately, he is what he is. He's not going to grow into a more sturdy version of himself.



All indications are that Bortles IS leading by example, but feel free to keep your head buried in the orifice of your choosing



I'm pretty sure the only disappointed folks were the diva and the OP.

to avoid that fact.

Does anyone know where this brittle label came from? Dude hasnt been hurt that much.

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Teddy the last half of the season was already pro bowl caliber. He would eeeeeeeeasily be the #1 pick if the draft was done over again (as was obvious that he should have been before the draft). 

 

@PFF_Sam Bridgewater's accuracy on deep shots last year was 46.3%. Top 10 in NFL.

Phil Mackey ‏@PhilMackey  Dec 29

To expand on that @PFF deep pass number: Teddy Bridgewater's accuracy rate was 46% on throws that traveled 20+ yards. Tom Brady's was 33%.

Ben Goessling ‏@GoesslingESPN  Dec 23
In last 4 weeks, Teddy Bridgewater leads the league in completion % on throws of 10+ and 15+ yards. Deep ball questions are effectively dead

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Does anyone know where this brittle label came from? Dude hasnt been hurt that much.

Never said he was brittle.  But, his slight build doesn't spell long-term durability in the NFL unless he's got a line in front of him that is like a brick wall.  He absolutely would not have survived last year behind the Jags offensive line.  He suffered an ankle injury last year behind a better line in Minnesota, and it was a pretty benign hit. 

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That's an assumption

 

This MB is chock full of assumptions, what's your point?

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

Never said he was brittle. But, his slight build doesn't spell long-term durability in the NFL unless he's got a line in front of him that is like a brick wall. He absolutely would not have survived last year behind the Jags offensive line. He suffered an ankle injury last year behind a better line in Minnesota, and it was a pretty benign hit.

Rodgers has nearly the same Height/Weight. But let's pay no attention to facts.

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Teddy the last half of the season was already pro bowl caliber. He would eeeeeeeeasily be the #1 pick if the draft was done over again (as was obvious that he should have been before the draft).

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam'>@PFF_Sam</a> Bridgewater's accuracy on deep shots last year was 46.3%. Top 10 in NFL.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/PhilMackey'>Phil Mackey ‏@PhilMackey </a> <a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/PhilMackey/status/549785713815072768'>Dec 29</a>

To expand on that <a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/PFF'>@PFF</a> deep pass number: Teddy Bridgewater's accuracy rate was 46% on throws that traveled 20+ yards. Tom Brady's was 33%.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GoesslingESPN'>Ben Goessling ‏@GoesslingESPN </a> <a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GoesslingESPN/status/547276329792860161'>Dec 23</a>

In last 4 weeks, Teddy Bridgewater leads the league in completion % on throws of 10+ and 15+ yards. Deep ball questions are effectively dead




#1 PFF QB over the last 5 weeks of the season.

Yep. If you watch the tape, the dude could place the deep ball really well as the season went on. It's an underrated skill. Something we havent had in a long time. We continue to dink and dunk for days.

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Yep. If you watch the tape, the dude could place the deep ball really well as the season went on. It's an underrated skill. Something we havent had in a long time. We continue to dink and dunk for days.

It's no surprise that Teddy was more pro-ready than Bortles. He also wasn't playing with 5 other rookies on offense either.

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I think we can all agree that TB had a better rookie season in the NFL then BB's did, for whatever reason(s). The statistics don't lie.

 

If we are still having this same conversation in another year or 2, then I'm sure there will be a lot more Jags fans concerned about it, as well as even more vocal TB fans, but until then, all we can really do is watch them play, assume what might/could happen over the next year or 2 and, of course, discuss it ad nauseam, which is what fans usually do anyway.

 

Unless of course, there is anyone out there who can tell us the future of these 2 QBs right now.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

Rodgers has nearly the same Height/Weight. But let's pay no attention to facts.

 

They've got completely different body types, and one is CLEARLY more athletic than the other.  They're not exactly the same.

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It's no surprise that Teddy was more pro-ready than Bortles. He also wasn't playing with 5 other rookies on offense either.

Exactly. The line of thinking is that Teddy had the higher floor coming into the league but Bortles will have the higher ceiling.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Exactly. The line of thinking is that Teddy had the higher floor coming into the league but Bortles will have the higher ceiling.

Some people miss that point completely.

 

This isn't about bagging on Bridgewater.  It's simply recognizing that if you're in the market for a franchise QB, and you've evaluated the top 3 guys in the draft, Bridgewater is the safe pick who will come into the league and give you okay production.  Bortles is a guy who has the potential to be a top tier QB.  How each did their rookie year is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.  It would have been nice to see Bortles get more production, but in the context of where this team was at compared to Minnesota, he was set up to struggle.  But, a lot of young, good talent was identified last year, and the team has made it their focus to continue to build an offense around Bortles that will allow him to succeed.  He should take a step in his progression this year, and it will hopefully become clear as to which guy was most deserving of that 3rd overall pick.

 

We didn't draft Bortles for his rookie year.  He was drafted for the next decade. 

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Exactly. The line of thinking is that Teddy had the higher floor coming into the league but Bortles will have the higher ceiling.

Some people miss that point completely.

 

This isn't about bagging on Bridgewater.  It's simply recognizing that if you're in the market for a franchise QB, and you've evaluated the top 3 guys in the draft, Bridgewater is the safe pick who will come into the league and give you okay production.  Bortles is a guy who has the potential to be a top tier QB.  How each did their rookie year is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.  It would have been nice to see Bortles get more production, but in the context of where this team was at compared to Minnesota, he was set up to struggle.  But, a lot of young, good talent was identified last year, and the team has made it their focus to continue to build an offense around Bortles that will allow him to succeed.  He should take a step in his progression this year, and it will hopefully become clear as to which guy was most deserving of that 3rd overall pick.

 

We didn't draft Bortles for his rookie year.  He was drafted for the next decade. 

Not missing this point at all...but ya know if Teddy was the #1 QB the last couple months of the season according to PFF it's kinda hard to have a ceiling higher than #1...

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If PFF has Teddy as a top QB, that just ends any legitimacy that they had.

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Not missing this point at all...but ya know if Teddy was the #1 QB the last couple months of the season according to PFF it's kinda hard to have a ceiling higher than #1...

You're welcome to hang on to the PFF stats to make your point.  Again, it's irrelevant in the bigger picture.  Long-term, he doesn't have the ceiling Bortles does.  Based on the way Blake is approaching his development, my expectation is that he's going to have every opportunity to prove himself beyond any shadow of a doubt.

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So just to standardize the discussion, at what point do we consider ceilings reached for each player?  At what point do the stats become relevant?

 

I want Bortles to be the all time leading passer when all is said and done, with about 7 Super Bowl wins to his credit.

 

But I want an honest evaluation on these two guys until then.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

So what if Bridgewater had a better first year. So what. People don't stop playing after year one. It's about the body of work over a player's career.


Robert Griffin had a great first year.

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Here's my 2 cents on this topic.

 

Both QB's were in difficult situations last season,  based on personnel surrounding them.  

 

Teddy Bridgewater had a couple of advantages:

 

1.  He was further advanced entering the NFL.

 

2.  He had Norv Turner as his Offensive Coordinator.

 

As a result,  it wasn't surprising that Teddy Bridgewater had the better rookie season.

 

To Bridgewater's credit,  he overcame the pounding that he took in October and made major improvements as the season went on.   

 

Long term,  I still would prefer Blake Bortles,  providing that he's able to overcome the problems that occurred with his game that occurred when he was taking a beating repeatedly.   Bortles has the combination of physical skills and the work ethic to eventually develop into one of the best QB's in the NFL for a long period of time.  

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When it's all said and done, I believe Bortles will have the better career. I compare Bridgewater to Matt Ryan. Solid fundamentally, stepped right in and played well, but he has pretty much reached his ceiling and I don't think he has the talent to overcome a talent depleted roster. He will always have to have a talented roster around him to succeed. Meanwhile I would compare Bortles to Roethlisberger (obviously). Roethlisberger can put the team on his back and carry them. He's not a traditional Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady type who throw with precision and put it where the receiver's going to be every time. He improvises and extends the play, putting the defense out of position and finding open guys that way. The two QBs are totally different, so to say "we should have drafted Teddy he looks better" is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Bortles should have a better season this year with a year under his belt, and while he might not light up the stat sheet, he will carry the team to victory.

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10 years ago we had Bob Hope, Johnny Cash, and Steve Jobs..... Please don't die, Kevin Bacon.

And we are still discussing this because......?


Good for Teddy for playing well last season. Has nothing to do with Blake and how he will end up as a QB.

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