Carr Rewriting Rookie Record Book

 

 

 

 

Completions

Carr: 348 | 2014 Rookie Rank: 1st | Rookie Rank: 2nd
Passing Yards

Carr: 3,270 | 2014 Rookie Rank: 1st | Rookie Rank: 10th
Passing Touchdowns

Carr: 21 | 2014 Rookie Rank: 1st | Rookie Rank: T-5th
QB Rating (min. 300 attempts)

Carr: 76.6 | 2014 Rookie Rank: 2nd | Rookie Rank: 14th

 

 

http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Ca...26b0d926eb

 

 

If we Bortles isnt the guy and we missed on a good one in this class.  Carr will be that guy.

 

 

Agree.  Carr had the best rookie season, and it wasn't particularly close.

 

Unless you ask a Ted fanboy.  But that's to be expected from that crowd.  Always paring out only what they want to.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

In your unfounded opinion.


You sound an awful lot like a former poster...


With Ted, they seemed to have schemed to his strengths, reeling things in for him during the season. Short range, high percentage passes with reliance on heavy YAC.


That speaks more of a rookie QB with limitations at the NFL level. Not some blossoming superstar.

If you actually watched his play, you would knkw that they didnt just rely on YAC. His intermediate throwing improved greatly as the year went on.


Speaking of short, YAC plays, how many of bortles' TD passes were from guys running after the catch? How many of them were a result of throws into the endzone. I bet i could count them on one hand.

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If you dont think teddy had the best rookie seasn by far, you are just being ignorant. He had no weapons. The only advantage he had was having a good o-line than the rest.

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Elway, Aikman, Luck, Bridgewater::


'nuff said

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If you dont think teddy had the best rookie seasn by far, you are just being ignorant. He had no weapons. The only advantage he had was having a good o-line than the rest.

Why are you continuing to defend Teddy?


Go to the Vikings board and swoon over him.


Carr was better than Teddy last year.

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Why are you continuing to defend Teddy?


Go to the Vikings board and swoon over him.


Carr was better than Teddy last year.

That's just delusional. Also, a little bit of unbiased perspective never hurts. If bortles had given me something to swoon over, maybe we wouldnr be having this conversation. The best plays he made last year were with his legs. That's a little concerning

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Carr was better than Teddy last year.

Whoa, let's not get silly here. This is an utterly indefensible statement. 

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http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/20/2014-nf...on-clowney

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-to...ft-do-over

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<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/20/2014-nfl-draft-redo-derek-carr-odell-beckham-jr-jadeveon-clowney'>http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/20/2014-nfl-draft-redo-derek-carr-odell-beckham-jr-jadeveon-clowney</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000424403/Top-10-2014-draft-do-over'>http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000424403/Top-10-2014-draft-do-over</a>

But but but... Teddy!!!

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But but but... Teddy!!!

And just where is bortles in that list?

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And just where is bortles in that list?

I'll take Bortles all day over Teddy.. He's a twig ready to be snapped and has a ceiling much lower than Bortles.. So you and the rest of the Teddy Brigade can continue to cry, I'm actually enjoying it..

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Why are you continuing to defend Teddy?


Go to the Vikings board and swoon over him.

Carr was better than Teddy last year.

 

So the  "who is better debate"  here is really between Teddy and Carr?

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

Wow! Cant believe you said that!! Please tell me where you draw that comparison??

I'll tell you why i made that comparison because i had watched all the rookie qb play live on t.v. in addition to following my own team. In teddy's case i compare him to alex smith base on limited arm strength, body frame, and great decision making when it came to finding the open receiver. What people want too ignore was that he came into the league pro ready, with a veteran offensive personnel including one of the best offensive coordinators in NFL history. In addition, he had 3 pro bowler on his offensive line and a very good defense to compliment him when he was in sync with the offense. If anyone looked at his games live from an offensive standpoint you'll see they ran alot of wr screens and when he threw passes over 10 yards the wr was wide open for him. To me that's a testament to norv turner offense and the offensive line that gave him plenty of time but they can have teddy as far as my concern because i don't he is going to be nothing more than he shown already which is at his best an above average qb.

 

Derek Carr who people want to make his rookie season the best thing since andrew luck is clearly irrational and irresponsible as a NFL fan. His season is clearly a case on number do lie except for one stat which i will explain to you at some point in this rant. I also watched all his games and his 2 best games which as the chargers that was very impressive although the wr holmes had a great game who should get credit as well. The other one was against san francisco which we all know by the time the raiders played them they tanked and quit on jim harbaugh because the circumstance outside the team's control. Derek Carr was on the receiving end of alot of blowout in which he gave his offense nothing but alot of 3 and outs. (aka chad henne). They're many games where derek carr had gabbert like passing yards through the fourth quarter which was 100 yd or less passing and then he made his move in garbage time and build up his stats at the end of the games (aka chad henne). It's no coincidence that his yd per attempt was 5.4 the lowest of all rookies and for him to play in all 16 games he only got 300 yds more than teddy and blake respectively.  He does alot of dinking and dunking in most of his games and that's why it was easy for teams to gameplan against them. He also had a veteran offensive personnel including a decent coordinator and a offensive line that gave up only 24 sacks for the year which is amazing. For a guy who had this amazing rooking season won the same amount of games as blake and he also has a good defense to work with at his disposal. People in general see the box score and think he played well but if you actually watch him live on t.v. like me a person would've came away with a different opinion of him. 

 

Which is why i know in 3 years blake bortles is not only going to be the best qb in this class but a top 10 qb and it's not even close. Just like the case of Derek Carr the box score also lied in his case as well. In the famous words of Dave Caldwell take his 10 best plays not only teddy and derek can't make them but most qb's in league can't do it either. His stats was bad but as we all watch our team they're alot of factors went into it as well. For instance, his offensive line besides linder should be embarrass to collect a paycheck for their performance not only giving up 71 sacks and alot of hurries but can't run block to save their lives. Throughout the season he played with 6 or more rookies in every single game and in some instance 7 if we count storm johnson couple of starts. If we want to add the second year players like luke, austin pastor, and robinson he was playing with 9 first and second year players on offensive players going up against NFL defenses. In blake case, it was like he was bringing a knife into a gun fight and people on here expected him to succeed under those circumstances is delusional at best. In addition, he had a incompetent offensive coordinator who had a playbook and gameplan like it was made by a bunch of kindergartners. lol.  It's no coincidence that fisch no longer apart of this staff and he has a boss who likes to give out baskin robbins ice cream after every game so therefore to get fired by Gus Bradley is a huge indictment on him because this is a man who is very loyal with his friends. Back to blake, his yds per attempt was 6.14 which people saying that's not much better than derek carr but i'm going to explain why it was that low. Go back to blake as the season progressed and what's the link with his numbers went south from where it was at the beginning? Allen Robinson. He was his jason witten to romo, brandon marshall to jay cutler, odb to eli manning, and Antonio brown to his big ben. He was blake's only reliable and consistent receiver and once he lost him for the season his numbers went down across the board including his yards per game. Bad footwork also played a factor into it as well but losing his most reliable receiver hurt him the most because that's the only offensive weapon he can count on him every single time. This year ya'll going to see a more complete blake not only because of better weapons (julius thomas) but a better and more complete offensive staff. At the end of the day ya'll can have teddy and derek carr just give me blake and watch me be victorious at the end because he's the better qb out of all of them.  

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No way Teddy could take 50+ sacks

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The only real question you have to ask yourself on this topic is this:

 

Who will be the best QB out of these guys in the next 2 or 3 years, for your team?

 

The answer to that question is the QB that you should have drafted.

 

It had been said many times that TB was the most "pro-ready right now", but would it still be that way 2,3 or even 4 years down the road? That's the question a GM has to figure out.. .

 

On a side note, I saw a Mort report that said "the Browns are 90% done with Johnny Manziel.

 

I wonder how true that might be?

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

I'll take Bortles all day over Teddy.. He's a twig ready to be snapped and has a ceiling much lower than Bortles.. So you and the rest of the Teddy Brigade can continue to cry, I'm actually enjoying it..

So you post an article to show carr is better than teddy, but then you ignore the fact that blake is left out of the mock completely. That's a bad way to win an argument. That's called cherry picking.

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Teddy and Carr were both more prepared mentally and technically to play in the NFL last year. 

 

Bortles was a VERY raw prospect.  I find it odd that folks want to ignore that. 

 

There was a really good pre-draft article written about Bortles and much of this guy's analysis turned out to be spot on.  It's worth a read if you've got some time and want to have a clearer picture on Bortles inherent strengths and weaknesses.  

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/13/ucf...e-bortles/

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Teddy and Carr were both more prepared mentally and technically to play in the NFL last year.


Bortles was a VERY raw prospect. I find it odd that folks want to ignore that.


There was a really good pre-draft article written about Bortles and much of this guy's analysis turned out to be spot on. It's worth a read if you've got some time and want to have a clearer picture on Bortles inherent strengths and weaknesses.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/13/ucf-qb-blake-bortles/'>http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/13/ucf-qb-blake-bortles/</a>

Exactly. Was shocked he went #3 simply because he was gonna be a project. Not quite a tebow-esque project, but there were certainly comparisons to be made there (running ability and mechanical issues being the obvious ones). The one thing that gives me hope is he reminds me a lot of brett favre. Sloppy footwork, but an uncanny ability to extend the play, and a willingness to take hits. If he can even slightly improve his footwork, we'll be golden. It really hurts him, even on those short out passes that should be easy completions.

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If you dont think teddy had the best rookie seasn by far, you are just being ignorant. He had no weapons. The only advantage he had was having a good o-line than the rest.

 

LOL... he had MORE WEAPONS THAN ANYONE IN THE CLASS...

 

Geez, what planet are you even posting from...

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Whoa, let's not get silly here. This is an utterly indefensible statement. 

 

You're better than that, or, you should be...

 

Carr was clearly and indisputably better.  There is no argument against that.

 

Period.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."